Hate a DT1 member? Or two? All of them? Post your grievances here. UNMODERATED

[suchmoon]

I wouldn't say I hate OgNasty but I do believe he shouldn't be in DT so I'm glad to see him with -1 again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Not sure who excluded him (or removed an inclusion perhaps) but it feels like balance has been restored to the Universe. However I'd like to encourage other DT1 members to review OgNasty's trust list and include any DT2 members that you consider worthy.

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[otrkid1970]

I wouldn't say I hate OgNasty but I do believe he shouldn't be in DT so I'm glad to see him with -1 again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Not sure who excluded him (or removed an inclusion perhaps) but it feels like balance has been restored to the Universe. However I'd like to encourage other DT1 members to review OgNasty's trust list and include any DT2 members that you consider worthy.

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I have no problem with that statement, and I'd probably agree with you not only about trading with OgNasty but with members like TECSHARE as well.  That's why I haven't negged either one, which is what the red trust represents.  The inclusion/exclusion thing is where the politics comes into play and I do believe that's where Theymos wants to keep it, unless I've read it wrong.

I didn't check, but I don't think there are many DT1 members who have absolutely no trading history here.  There might be a few, but even I have some feedback from trades.  Good luck finding where they are among all the retaliatory negs I've gotten, but they're there.  I'd be less inclined to do trades with some of the newer members on DT1, but all in all the list looks pretty solid right now.

[otrkid1970]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I have no problem with that statement, and I'd probably agree with you not only about trading with OgNasty but with members like TECSHARE as well.  That's why I haven't negged either one, which is what the red trust represents.  The inclusion/exclusion thing is where the politics comes into play and I do believe that's where Theymos wants to keep it, unless I've read it wrong.

I didn't check, but I don't think there are many DT1 members who have absolutely no trading history here.  There might be a few, but even I have some feedback from trades.  Good luck finding where they are among all the retaliatory negs I've gotten, but they're there.  I'd be less inclined to do trades with some of the newer members on DT1, but all in all the list looks pretty solid right now.

I wouldn't trust 98% of the DT members with a single $.   Almost all of them have ZERO trades,Sales or anything to do with Money. The trust system was invented for this very thing.  This is why almost all DT members have zero credibility with me.  0gNasty as well as myself have done Numerous Deals,Sales,Buys on BCT   Money Talks....Tagging Shit posters,Spammers Etc. might indicate you have the right Mindset but lets be honest tagging a spammer doesn't make me want to trust you with my hard earned $.

Lesson learned?  You and most of the DT group wiill never be trusted with a single $ of mine.....That includes theymos.  Mr. I'll rape the forum for it's cash.

[suchmoon]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

OgNasty's exclusion doesn't prevent him from trading. It excludes his ratings from the default score and moves them down on on person's trust page, which is appropriate seeing how worthless many of his ratings are due to his extremely fragile ego.

[otrkid1970]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

OgNasty's exclusion doesn't prevent him from trading. It excludes his ratings from the default score and moves them down on on person's trust page, which is appropriate seeing how worthless many of his ratings are due to his extremely fragile ego.

And after looking over your "Trust" i and seeing no trades,sales or purchases i say who the fuck are you to judge him ? He has done more business dealings in one day than you have done in your entire existence on BCT.

You are basing trust on your perception of his ego??

You for real?

[TheNewAnon135246]

I wouldn't say I hate OgNasty but I do believe he shouldn't be in DT so I'm glad to see him with -1 again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Not sure who excluded him (or removed an inclusion perhaps) but it feels like balance has been restored to the Universe. However I'd like to encourage other DT1 members to review OgNasty's trust list and include any DT2 members that you consider worthy.

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I agree but he has been acting very childish lately. No idea what happened but his current behaviour doesn't suit DT1 imo.

[otrkid1970]

I wouldn't say I hate OgNasty but I do believe he shouldn't be in DT so I'm glad to see him with -1 again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Not sure who excluded him (or removed an inclusion perhaps) but it feels like balance has been restored to the Universe. However I'd like to encourage other DT1 members to review OgNasty's trust list and include any DT2 members that you consider worthy.

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I agree but he has been acting very childish lately. No idea what happened but his current behaviour doesn't suit DT1 imo.

So maybe you should RED tag him? is that what your saying?   He Doesn't meet your expectations so lets Red tag him? Remove him from DT? what are you saying?

[otrkid1970]

I wouldn't say I hate OgNasty but I do believe he shouldn't be in DT so I'm glad to see him with -1 again:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Not sure who excluded him (or removed an inclusion perhaps) but it feels like balance has been restored to the Universe. However I'd like to encourage other DT1 members to review OgNasty's trust list and include any DT2 members that you consider worthy.

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I agree but he has been acting very childish lately. No idea what happened but his current behaviour doesn't suit DT1 imo.

And for the record.... I see your long standing Deals on BCT and i respect your trust.

[DarkStar_]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

Go attack theymos then:

No. That's not how the Trust system works. There's a reason why trust lists and trust ratings are separate. You can trust that someone is not a scammer but not trust them to have a good trust list, and vice-versa. Listing someone in your trust list indicates only that you like their ratings and/or trust list in some way (defined by you). With the default trust system, my goal is to maximize the number of default-trusted ratings while minimizing the number of incorrect ratings (especially negative ones). There haven't been any major failures in this area.

There actually isn't a way to vouch for someone in the trust system if you use it properly. There are only trust events which are interpreted by users, and trust list relationships which are mostly unrelated to real trust. This is why I kept my positive trust rating of TF even though my overall trust in him has diminished. My personal history with TF has not changed. My trust in him has diminished, but only because of how I am interpreting other trust events. My own history/rating is still relevant to the full picture of TF's trustworthiness in my mind, and it may still be relevant to others.

Your misunderstanding of how the trust system works is one reason why you are not in DefaultTrust.

[otrkid1970]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

Go attack theymos then:

No. That's not how the Trust system works. There's a reason why trust lists and trust ratings are separate. You can trust that someone is not a scammer but not trust them to have a good trust list, and vice-versa. Listing someone in your trust list indicates only that you like their ratings and/or trust list in some way (defined by you). With the default trust system, my goal is to maximize the number of default-trusted ratings while minimizing the number of incorrect ratings (especially negative ones). There haven't been any major failures in this area.

There actually isn't a way to vouch for someone in the trust system if you use it properly. There are only trust events which are interpreted by users, and trust list relationships which are mostly unrelated to real trust. This is why I kept my positive trust rating of TF even though my overall trust in him has diminished. My personal history with TF has not changed. My trust in him has diminished, but only because of how I am interpreting other trust events. My own history/rating is still relevant to the full picture of TF's trustworthiness in my mind, and it may still be relevant to others.

Your misunderstanding of how the trust system works is one reason why you are not in DefaultTrust.

theymos is a spineless coward. His only goal is to rape the forum for $$.....And yes just like now i have attacked him before.

[OgNasty]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

OgNasty's exclusion doesn't prevent him from trading. It excludes his ratings from the default score and moves them down on on person's trust page, which is appropriate seeing how worthless many of his ratings are due to his extremely fragile ego.

My ratings aren’t worthless nor is my ego fragile. Your continued attempts to control the narrative with nonsense is noticed. People can review my trust ratings themselves and see they are of value. Don’t pretend that my exclusion is about anything other than retaliation for prior exclusions while I was tasked with being one of only a few DT members willing to risk being publicly unpopular for the accuracy of the trust network. In fact, I’m now being crucified by those whom I excluded for not being able to accurately judge the value of trust ratings. Had I cared about my ego, I would have put myself before the forum and acted in a way that wouldn’t have made unstable users want to enact revenge, as they are doing now.

You can say I’m an idiot for donating so much of my time and money to a community project. You can say I’m a fool for risking my reputation as the most trusted user here in order to maintain a reasonably honest DT network and not empower known extortionists. You saying my ratings aren’t valuable though? That is nonsense. More likely you are blinded by politics and acting irrationally out of emotion.

[otrkid1970]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

OgNasty's exclusion doesn't prevent him from trading. It excludes his ratings from the default score and moves them down on on person's trust page, which is appropriate seeing how worthless many of his ratings are due to his extremely fragile ego.

My ratings aren’t worthless nor is my ego fragile. Your continued attempts to control the narrative with nonsense is noticed. People can review my trust ratings themselves and see they are of value. Don’t pretend that my exclusion is about anything other than retaliation for prior exclusions while I was tasked with being one of only a few DT members willing to risk being publicly unpopular for the accuracy of the trust network. In fact, I’m now being crucified by those whom I excluded for not being able to accurately judge the value of trust ratings. Had I cared about my ego, I would have put myself before the forum and acted in a way that wouldn’t have made unstable users want to enact revenge, as they are doing now.

You can say I’m an idiot for donating so much of my time and money to a community project. You can say I’m a fool for risking my reputation as the most trusted user here in order to maintain a reasonably honest DT network and not empower known extortionists. You saying my ratings aren’t valuable though? That is nonsense. More likely you are blinded by politics and acting irrationally out of emotion.

I trust you 100% more than 99.9% of these pukes on the DT list

[mikeywith]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I doubt that there is any DT member who don't trust Og with their funds , i am almost certain that  by now almost everybody knows that he is a very-very trustworthy person, no-doubt , i personally know this without having to hear it from anybody else.

just because other members exclude him, it does not mean they don't trust him. they just have a problem with his feedbacks and/or they have some personal shit going on , same thing goes to those that he exudes.

i still want to see him on DT to be honest, while his rating are not 100% accurate,and many are based on non-trust related matters ( just like many other DT members) i think he has tagged a good amount of scammers and there are chances that those are not tagged by others - therefore, they now have clean profiles again. ( not aware of any specific members, but the possibility is there)

removing anyone from DT in many cases bring more harm than good based on the previous theory , i still believe the best thing to sort this shit out is by keeping the trust system emotionless  and focusing only on protecting the forum from scammers rather than expressing personal views.

[philipma1957]

I simply never understood  why all of you fight one another.

I excluded  almost everyone from my list due to being attacked for jacking  my score up   and have been off DT1 list for a while.

I don't like getting dragged into  these arguements.

Over time  I have exchanged many pm's with

Lauda
suchmoon
OgNasty

and I actually get along with the three of you fairly well.

But you guys or girls or cats  fight hard against each other.

I don't know much about thepharmicist, but he seems to have a fan club and a hate club.

And here I am  writing on a thread  that is bound to get me going again.

oh I added

OgNasty
suchmoon
sidehack
frodocooper
Lauda

 to my list the last  few days

of course I now jump back up to 671 trust number  vs 221

but I am moody so  why not

I can always pull them off.

lets see how long before  I get screwed with.

[otrkid1970]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I doubt that there is any DT member who don't trust Og with their funds , i am almost certain that  by now almost everybody knows that he is a very-very trustworthy person, no-doubt , i personally know this without having to hear it from anybody else.

just because other members exclude him, it does not mean they don't trust him. they just have a problem with his feedbacks and/or they have some personal shit going on , same thing goes to those that he exudes.

i still want to see him on DT to be honest, while his rating are not 100% accurate,and many are based on non-trust related matters ( just like many other DT members) i think he has tagged a good amount of scammers and there are chances that those are not tagged by others - therefore, they now have clean profiles again. ( not aware of any specific members, but the possibility is there)

removing anyone from DT in many cases bring more harm than good based on the previous theory , i still believe the best thing to sort this shit out is by keeping the trust system emotionless  and focusing only on protecting the forum from scammers rather than expressing personal views.

People who "Trust" him would not remove him from their trust based on "Feelings"

Base his trust on FACTS
He is genuinely trusted by any person exchanging $ that is what trust is all about.....I don't give a fuck if he is having a bad day and says some shit on a post.....If i buy or sell something from/to him him do i have to be worried about getting robbed? NOPE....Thats trust

[otrkid1970]

I simply never understood  why all of you fight one another.

I excluded  almost everyone from my list due to being attacked for jacking  my score up   and have been off DT1 list for a while.

I don't like getting dragged into  these arguements.

Over time  I have exchanged many pm's with

Lauda
suchmoon
OgNasty

and I actually get along with the three of you fairly well.

But you guys or girls or cats  fight hard against each other.

I don't know much about thepharmicist, but he seems to have a fan club and a hate club.

And here I am  writing on a thread  that is bound to get me going again.

oh I added

OgNasty
suchmoon
sidehack
frodocooper
Lauda

 to my list the last  few days

of course I now jump back up to 671 trust number  vs 221

but I am moody so  why not

I can always pull them off.

lets see how long before  I get screwed with.

It's about being right or wrong...  Don't be a pussy your trust is outstanding. Stand up for whats right. would you trust Ognasty with a $ knowing he has a great full history of trades or would you trust Lauda with your $ knowing she has never made a trade deal in her entire history with BCT?   Lauda has a higher Rating than Ognasty LOL                       

[philipma1957]

I simply never understood  why all of you fight one another.

I excluded  almost everyone from my list due to being attacked for jacking  my score up   and have been off DT1 list for a while.

I don't like getting dragged into  these arguements.

Over time  I have exchanged many pm's with

Lauda
suchmoon
OgNasty

and I actually get along with the three of you fairly well.

But you guys or girls or cats  fight hard against each other.

I don't know much about thepharmicist, but he seems to have a fan club and a hate club.

And here I am  writing on a thread  that is bound to get me going again.

oh I added

OgNasty
suchmoon
sidehack
frodocooper
Lauda

 to my list the last  few days

of course I now jump back up to 671 trust number  vs 221

but I am moody so  why not

I can always pull them off.

lets see how long before  I get screwed with.

It's about being right or wrong...  Don't be a pussy your trust is outstanding. Stand up for whats right. would you trust Ognasty with a $ knowing he has a great full history of trades or would you trust Lauda with your $ knowing she has never made a trade deal in her entire history with BCT?   Lauda has a higher Rating than Ognasty LOL                       

Hey I like pussy  but that is not the point.  I have been given a lot of grief  over trust.

 Lauda used to bust a lot of assholes and scammers.

OgNasty  has done a lot of good trades  but he has freaked over a few guys escrows.

Suchmoon  has been really solid support to me when I was threatened by GAW-zen miners Josh G  years ago.

So all three people have helped me.

now  I have a mailing contact to OgNasty
I don't for Lauda.
I don't for Suchmoon.

One of the reasons I dropped almost  everyone off my list  was I don't know:

 real names phone number and addresses

makes it harder to trust if I can't get to them.

most people on the list I had  I good contact for real.

Maybe  trust  should have real name KYC  or not be there at all.

Kind of why  I don't like writing on these threads.

[bones261]

It's about being right or wrong...  Don't be a pussy your trust is outstanding. Stand up for whats right. would you trust Ognasty with a $ knowing he has a great full history of trades or would you trust Lauda with your $ knowing she has never made a trade deal in her entire history with BCT?   Lauda has a higher Rating than Ognasty LOL                      

Lauda has never done a deal via Bitcointalk?   Lauda offers escrow services among other things.  Perhaps you should do a bit more research before typing nonsense. You do realize that P2P trades aren't the only economic activity going on within this forum. Correct?

[H8bussesNbicycles]

I trust 0gNasty unlike some others on the DT list. 0gNasy had a good trade reputation which is what the DT was meant for. I would trust him with $$ unlike MANY many of the DT list users that are on that list with ZERO trade rep. Fuck you if you don't like that answer.

I doubt that there is any DT member who don't trust Og with their funds , i am almost certain that  by now almost everybody knows that he is a very-very trustworthy person, no-doubt , i personally know this without having to hear it from anybody else.

just because other members exclude him, it does not mean they don't trust him. they just have a problem with his feedbacks and/or they have some personal shit going on , same thing goes to those that he exudes.

i still want to see him on DT to be honest, while his rating are not 100% accurate,and many are based on non-trust related matters ( just like many other DT members) i think he has tagged a good amount of scammers and there are chances that those are not tagged by others - therefore, they now have clean profiles again. ( not aware of any specific members, but the possibility is there)

removing anyone from DT in many cases bring more harm than good based on the previous theory , i still believe the best thing to sort this shit out is by keeping the trust system emotionless  and focusing only on protecting the forum from scammers rather than expressing personal views.

ognastys ratings are 100% accurate


stop making this about scammers
scammers are stupid and so is everyone stupid enough to be fooled by stupid scammers


this is about the future of bitcointalk
is this a free society to speak as we please or is this a society that throws away all freedoms to protect fools from petty scammers ?


most of you you 3rd world fucks dont understand the concepts of freedom and liberty but guess what
bitcoin is made by satoshi for freedom and liberty as its main purpose


anyone that values security from petty scams over the freedom and liberty of the people of this earth are the tyrant trash bitcoin was given to us to overthrow


1000 account sellers are not worth a single censored user
all the money in this world is not worth the oppression of dictators


dt of this forum has lost touch with the goal of cryptocurrency and its far past time to do something about it


whose side are you on ?
are you on the righteous free people of this earths ability to decide their own fate or the side of authoritarian controllers to decide their fate for them ?


if you are some sort of socialist looking out for all the stupid people against petty scams at the expense of the freedom of all individuals go fuck a goat