Suggestion: Display risked bitcoin amount on profile.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Got some extra cash (after buying some major coins) from selling all my altcoins found in my alt ETH address thought about lending them on forum or use a lending site. For the past 3hours i have been searching through forum for the best escrow to use. It took me sometime to calculate how many BTC each escrow have successfully handled then this suggestion came into my mind, What if the forum displays the total risked bitcoin amount on users profile so it'll be easier to choose who to transact with based on amount.

Example;
Positive= Trust: 150: -0 / +20 BTC: 250
Negative=Trust: 50: -5 / +0 BTC: 0.5

Yes i know the amount can be manipulatd, so is the trust scores too but we still use it. Showing the total risked amount on profile will make it a little easier to decide if to trade with that user not just because his trust scores is green but for his total risked btc amount.

Although theymos advice not to depend totally on the trust system i.e always carryout personal research  that been said, displaying it on profile adds more colour. What do you think?

Edit:

Note: For risk amount to show on your profile it has to be from a DT member not just any forum user and if DT member are caught giving false risked bitcoin amount they'll be blacklist from DT and get red tagged by other DT members. Multiple tagged from the same scam won't count toward risked btc value

These might help reduce the level of false feedback from DT members and those tagged can alway appeal their cases if the risked btc value is a false one.

[The Cryptovator]

Not agree, we don't want more war on DT system. Just simply read all the feedback's of escrow's trust page. It's not very hard to check. Risk amount could be add fake. So it's not decent way to determine trusted escrow. There is no any guaranty that all DT members feedback's are accurate. Forum isn't moderating scam and trust system. So you have to choose yourself and you will be responsible to any harm. Research your best before hire any escrow. Forum doesn't assign any escrow service.

[jackg]

Most people when giving trust don't give a true risked amount. And are we talking just about dt members or all members?

If it's just dt then it might not be much of a problem but it probably won't be a very good reflection of anything...

[fronti]

I disagree also to this proposal

Although theymos advice not to depend totally on the trust system i.e always carryout personal research  

I would also sugest to not relay on the trust system and only use it as a first step to dig into the reputation of a person.

my way to use is:
red -> big flag to look deeper
green -> also look deeper

as members who are "deep red" can be trustful and also green can be non trustful.

And the amount of BTC risks is as easy to manipulate as the trust itself. It give no more good information and it make it harder to read.

Not agree, we don't want more war on DT system.

i guess we already have some kind of war there..

[NeuroticFish]

Yes i know the amount can be manipulatd, so is the trust scores too but we still use it. Showing the total risked amount on profile will make it a little easier to decide if to trade with that user not just because his trust scores is green but for his total risked btc amount.

If an user can set that value for himself, it will be completely unreliable: some will inflate the number to look more important, some will deflate the numbers or not show them to avoid certain curious eyes.
If somebody from outside can vouch for those numbers it becomes more complicated and still prone to abuse/unreliable numbers.

And then, why bother? Keep in mind that this is not Facebook.

[mocacinno]

Disagree, just like all the others... If this proposal would make it to production, and the *sshat that gave me -ve ever makes it to DT, i would show as having risked about 1 million BTC. I doubt anybody that wanted to do business with me would bother to check out his link and find out it's completely a completely offtopic, wrong and insane feedback from an a-level troll disguised as an honerable member.

There is no way to factcheck these inputs and avoid abusers to enter massive amounts without any proof...

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

i respect all your decisions.
Note: For risk amount to show on your profile it has to be from a DT member not just any forum user and if DT member are caught giving false risked bitcoin amount they'll be blacklist from DT and get red tagged by other DT members. Multiple tagged from the same scam won't count toward risked btc value

These might help reduce the level of false feedback from DT members and those tagged can alway appeal their cases if the risked btc value is a false one.

[jackg]

Multiple tagged from the same scam won't count toward risked btc value

We'd need to reprogram hilariousandco to do that with some fancy ai stuff. It's just not feasible.

If someone posts a bitcoin talk reference link and one posts an archive.is link for example. Or one posts a different risked btc. Maybe a user thought the scammer got away with 5btc and one thought it was 10?


It's a good idea its just hard to implement at all...

[madnessteat]

You have an interesting idea. But will it lead to an increase in fraudsters?

I think that the system of trust in the form which it is now makes it difficult to find users with a good reputation in commerce. It would be good if the existing system were divided into two components:
- a system of trust for abuse
- a system of trust in commercial matters.

[YOSHIE]

Trust has its own meaning in the bitcointalk forum class in Bitcoin transactions or nouns so that trust can state the name of a person, place, or all objects and everything that.
Here is clearly a difference of opinion:
There are two different things,
(green): Meaning, Belief assumption or that something that is trusted is true or real and belief (will be honesty, kindness, and so on).
(Red): meaning, belief in presumption or no belief in the sense of guilt.
so it could be wrong if given like this symbolic BTC.

Example;
Positive= Trust: 150: -0 / +20 BTC: 250
Negative=Trust: 50: -5 / +0 BTC: 0.5

[AdolfinWolf]

Disagree, just like all the others... If this proposal would make it to production, and the *sshat that gave me -ve ever makes it to DT, i would show as having risked about 1 million BTC. I doubt anybody that wanted to do business with me would bother to check out his link and find out it's completely a completely offtopic, wrong and insane feedback from an a-level troll disguised as an honerable member.

There is no way to factcheck these inputs and avoid abusers to enter massive amounts without any proof...

I don't see how this is an argument really. An *invalid* rating is an invalid rating, regardless of the amount of bitcoin wagered.
You could make your argument against the entire trust system..?

 - Which would be weird, because the chances of a troll who is leaving fake ratings to get on DT2/DT1 seems extremely small?

You have an interesting idea. But will it lead to an increase in fraudsters?

I think that the system of trust in the form which it is now makes it difficult to find users with a good reputation in commerce. It would be good if the existing system were divided into two components:
- a system of trust for abuse
- a system of trust in commercial matters.

It will probably most definitely increase the amount of unnecessary loans/trades people make with users on DT1 just so they can up their % bitcoin risked, for whatever purpose they may have.

Also, as jack mentioned, this system would only work one way -> For "Positive deals".

[lobcmt2]

You have an interesting idea. But will it lead to an increase in fraudsters?

I think that the system of trust in the form which it is now makes it difficult to find users with a good reputation in commerce. It would be good if the existing system were divided into two components:
- a system of trust for abuse
- a system of trust in commercial matters.

I have some ideas about it.
First, it is too complicated to manage the risks of manipulations/ abusements.
Secondly, if there will be two trust system (one of abusements, and another one for commercial matters - as you sugggested), it will raise the need on other systems.
Why?
In the forum, there are so many kinds of services run, and Escrow service is just only one of them.

In my opinion, to get trust from forum community, Escrow service providers should create their CV spreadsheet on all done-Escrows, and might let the link in their profile page (in signature, in website, etc.)
Of course, forum users should be responsible by doing their own research/ search on potential Escrow service providers they interested to hire.

To sum up, I disagreed with the OP's ideas.

[owlcatz]

Disagree - Many people don't want deal amounts disclosed for privacy. This is just a dumb idea, sorry.

[vit05]

People can lie. Trust is not monitored or audited. I believe that the best thing to do in this case is to ask for an address that has moved large values and to observe the ANN created by the Escrow. The list of Escrow that are still active in the forum is not that big. And if it's a high value, you can try to use a multi-escrow with 2/3.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Trust has its own meaning in the bitcointalk forum class in Bitcoin transactions or nouns so that trust can state the name of a person, place, or all objects and everything that.
Here is clearly a difference of opinion:
There are two different things,
(green): Meaning, Belief assumption or that something that is trusted is true or real and belief (will be honesty, kindness, and so on).
(Red): meaning, belief in presumption or no belief in the sense of guilt.
so it could be wrong if given like this symbolic BTC.

Lol this is the funniest post i have read today, what are you even saying?. After reading everyone replies i believe the suggestion isn't welcome by majority although this user below gets it.

 

It's a good idea its just hard to implement at all...

Yeah maybe a better explanation is what the nay sayers need to understand better. If it can be implemented and managed properly it'll add more value to the trust system

Still need escrow service provides to drop there view though.

[Harlot]

I wouldn't see this as useful at all. For one definitely if you want this risked amount to be displayed even on members who don't have DT feedbacks everyone can inflate their rating just to make their account attractive, other than that people will always prefer the member who has the highest score as they think that these people are the ones to be trusted the most. You will just simply be worsening the trust system if you want this added feature you introduced to be included.

[Lauda]

The more trades you publicize, the bigger target you become. I wouldn't mind this but it would generally not show the whole picture.

[OgNasty]

The more trades you publicize, the bigger target you become. I wouldn't mind this but it would generally not show the whole picture.

I'd argue the more experience a user shows with actual handling of BTC, the less likely a scammer is to try and target them, as they're obviously not going to fall for stupid scam tricks.  Publicizing such things does make you a target for petty jealousy though, which leads to forum drama.

[Lauda]

The more trades you publicize, the bigger target you become. I wouldn't mind this but it would generally not show the whole picture.

I'd argue the more experience a user shows with actual handling of BTC, the less likely a scammer is to try and target them, as they're obviously not going to fall for stupid scam tricks.  Publicizing such things does make you a target for petty jealousy though, which leads to forum drama.

I was thinking in the lines of someone trying to find who you are i.e. physically targeting you rather than a scammer trying to target you; but you make a good point there too.

[r1s2g3]

Disagree - Many people don't want deal amounts disclosed for privacy. This is just a dumb idea, sorry.

+1

I am not going to trust the escrow that escrowed 100 BTC  when BTC price is like $2. I will trust the escrow who has escrowed  1 BTC when it is above 10K. Now see how adding BTC in trust rating skew the whole ratings in favor of old escrows that might be no longer active also.