Capitalism and the exploitation of labor

[BADecker]

Thank you. Explaining basic things he should have learned in high school is getting tiresome.

I seriously think high school should teach more economy, the only reason some people fall for socialism, is that nobody ever told them about how prices and wages in a free market find its best point at any given time and place than any bureaucrat could ever do and what the results of attempting to do so have been in 40 centuries of human history:


Forty Centuries of Wage and Price Controls: How Not to Fight Inflation

Things like "the law of supply and demand", lack of understanding it, or naively thinking "that law is unfair" (Oh, like Newton's "law of gravity")... Learn it and use it to your advantage, instead of pretending you can dismiss it, as socialists preach.

Speaking of which:

🤝 Supply and demand | How does The Law of Supply and Demand work?

Also this:

👨‍💼 Where do jobs come from? | Employment vs self-employment

Or the basic law that banks don't lend money, but when you loan them your loan app money, they repay the loan you made to them with cash money or bank check money.

[coins4commies]

Sure they could teach even more capitalist propaganda in high school but that would not change the fact that people eventually go out into the world and experience the perils of this oppressive system.

Supply and demand explains how markets work but it does not explain the wisdom of if we should let markets work. 

Capitalist economics teaches us that things are made to be sold.

but should things only be made to be sold?
Should everything that can be sold be made?
Should things that cannot be sold be made?

Those are ethical questions that are not often taught. Economics should be taught through all three dimensions economic, social, and environmental. Capitalists only focus on economic and ignore the other two. 

We end up with a society where policies and solutions to problems are only catered towards one of those three dimensions which should never happen. An ideal solution should cater to all three and solutions that cater to two of 3 could still be considered.  21st century education is currently teaching economics through environmental and social lenses in multi-disciplinary classes such as engineering, environmental science, as well as social studies. 

[af_newbie]

I guess you never had or worked with kids.  Some are born leaders, some are not.  No matter the circumstances.

Most of the time, people who look and act like born leaders are born psychopaths, but some are born sociopaths.

No question about it.  Many psychopaths are leaders, probably a higher percentage than non-psychopaths.

The issue I brought up is that we are all born with different innate qualities and applying the same outcome to everyone is just not right.

Socialism and communism are wrong because they start with the wrong assumption about our human nature.

so if a sith lord with magical power shows up that is powerful with the "force" you would voluntarilly submit for the rest of your existence to be his salary slave?
isis tried to create such a sith lord actually

Unlike many of you on this forum, I have experienced both ends of the stick.

Sooner rather than later you will revert to your natural predisposition.

[_Miracle]

Sure they could teach even more capitalist propaganda in high school but that would not change the fact that people eventually go out into the world and experience the perils of this oppressive system.

Supply and demand explains how markets work but it does not explain the wisdom of if we should let markets work.  

Capitalist economics teaches us that things are made to be sold.

but should things only be made to be sold?
Should everything that can be sold be made?
Should things that cannot be sold be made?

Those are ethical questions that are not often taught. Economics should be taught through all three dimensions economic, social, and environmental. Capitalists only focus on economic and ignore the other two.  

We end up with a society where policies and solutions to problems are only catered towards one of those three dimensions which should never happen. An ideal solution should cater to all three and solutions that cater to two of 3 could still be considered.  21st century education is currently teaching economics through environmental and social lenses in multi-disciplinary classes such as engineering, environmental science, as well as social studies.  

What do you think an economy is?
It's food, houses, the clothes you are wearing, money, everything surrounding you right now was once an idea that has been materialized by capitalization.

When there is no more scarcity with logistics tied up neatly, there will exist an entirely different form of society that we have not yet invented and built the construct for
but we are far from there.

Milton Friedman and his wife Rose give one of the easiest explanations on whether we should let markets work: Yes
Free to Choose on PBS/Amazon or the book----or endless YouTube videos
Free market capitalism
*with little central interference the market will create its own products and pricing
*the individual can best create the greater good by the 'mechanism' of serving their own self interest



I don't subscribe to laissez faire but I do want less government interference on the flow of enterprise and more accountability for egregious actions towards the good of its citizenry/humanity ----> like Monsanto creating GMO seeds that don't naturally reproduce.
Government should provide the most opportunity for prosperity and citizens should look to themselves/each other for solutions and then...
"by the people for the people" needs to get to work for us.

There is a direction my country is heading to: Democratic Socialism it began during the depression and hasn't ended, so plenty of people (some of my favorite humans) agree with the socialist ideals and NO I don't think they understand what that really means.
Between Trump and Bernie things don't look hopeful for prosperity...which is the foundation for the largest group of humane humans.
And as for workers? Let's see how many jobs are left in the next couple decades.


AND LOL no BADecker don't add that to the list

[TECSHARE]

"21st century education is currently teaching economics through environmental and social lenses in multi-disciplinary classes such as engineering, environmental science, as well as social studies.  "

And that is the crux of the issue. They are working Marxist Postmodernist theory into EVERY FUCKING SUBJECT destroying the very foundation of education itself. You are a walking example of the destructive effects of this leftist infiltration of the educational system from K-post graduate school.

Everything is through the lens of Postmodernism & Critical Theory, which of course is very conveniently designed to deconstruct every thought to the point that everything becomes meaningless, and our society no longer has any common reality to operate from. You are the walking cancer of the intellectual world and our society as a whole. You don't have to be... but you are as long as you keep spreading your stupidity.

[mOgliE]

"21st century education is currently teaching economics through environmental and social lenses in multi-disciplinary classes such as engineering, environmental science, as well as social studies.  "

Oh shit this random sentence in quote really convinced everyone I'm sure!

And I guess it's bad to learn economics through engineering and social science because... Sciences are bad I guess?
And I have no idea what environmental science is. I've never seen this class anywhere. Didn't you want to also add something like "gender studies" as you seem to chose things completely randomly?

[TECSHARE]

"21st century education is currently teaching economics through environmental and social lenses in multi-disciplinary classes such as engineering, environmental science, as well as social studies.  "

Oh shit this random sentence in quote really convinced everyone I'm sure!

And I guess it's bad to learn economics through engineering and social science because... Sciences are bad I guess?
And I have no idea what environmental science is. I've never seen this class anywhere. Didn't you want to also add something like "gender studies" as you seem to chose things completely randomly?

You said "through environmental and social lenses" you didn't say to learn through. Sure integration is great, but substituting it for the classic educational model is just more deconstructivist Postmodernist Critical Theorist garbage specifically designed to erode the institutional foundations of... well everything.

This is why no one seems to be educated in school any more. They don't teach skills we need, they teach the world through the lens of social "sciences", and we have been over how scientific social sciences are. On a scale of 1-10 of maximum scientific method applied, social sciences rank in at about a 0.2.

Of course if your goal is endless deconstructivist subjectivity now that ambiguity is desirable now isn't it? I don't need to add "gender studies" because academia is one giant hybrid with Critical Theory already, which is what gender studies programs are based upon. AKA Marxism with a vinyl wrap of Bill Nye looking at some beakers over it so it looks extra sciencey.

[mOgliE]

You said "through environmental and social lenses" you didn't say to learn through. Sure integration is great, but substituting it for the classic educational model is just more deconstructivist Postmodernist Critical Theorist garbage specifically designed to erode the institutional foundations of... well everything.

This is why no one seems to be educated in school any more. They don't teach skills we need, they teach the world through the lens of social "sciences", and we have been over how scientific social sciences are. On a scale of 1-10 of maximum scientific method applied, social sciences rank in at about a 0.2.

Of course if your goal is endless deconstructivist subjectivity now that ambiguity is desirable now isn't it? I don't need to add "gender studies" because academia is one giant hybrid with Critical Theory already, which is what gender studies programs are based upon. AKA Marxism with a vinyl wrap of Bill Nye looking at some beakers over it so it looks extra sciencey.

Thanks for that! 

[sheenshane]

Without staff personnel, executives would not be able to do their job and will never have their job. Minimum wages were made to at least give/provide salaries that is acceptable/considered as enough to live in the country but yes, it wasn't enough. Maybe because of the reputation of the country as well. The U.S is more established than Mexico and that is the reason why the wages of the U.S is ten times bigger than Mexico. I think for the world to solve this is to have a global minimum wage but that's near impossible to be executed as well.

[coins4commies]

"21st century education is currently teaching economics through environmental and social lenses in multi-disciplinary classes such as engineering, environmental science, as well as social studies.  "

Oh shit this random sentence in quote really convinced everyone I'm sure!

And I guess it's bad to learn economics through engineering and social science because... Sciences are bad I guess?
And I have no idea what environmental science is. I've never seen this class anywhere. Didn't you want to also add something like "gender studies" as you seem to chose things completely randomly?

You said "through environmental and social lenses" you didn't say to learn through. Sure integration is great, but substituting it for the classic educational model is just more deconstructivist Postmodernist Critical Theorist garbage specifically designed to erode the institutional foundations of... well everything.

This is why no one seems to be educated in school any more. They don't teach skills we need, they teach the world through the lens of social "sciences", and we have been over how scientific social sciences are. On a scale of 1-10 of maximum scientific method applied, social sciences rank in at about a 0.2.

Of course if your goal is endless deconstructivist subjectivity now that ambiguity is desirable now isn't it? I don't need to add "gender studies" because academia is one giant hybrid with Critical Theory already, which is what gender studies programs are based upon. AKA Marxism with a vinyl wrap of Bill Nye looking at some beakers over it so it looks extra sciencey.

When you state facts, you shouldn't try to use persuasaion techniques.  Facts are facts.  No one should have to convince you to believe them.  Thats how facts get mixed up with opinions.  Just because you guys don't know about something, doesn't mean it was made up randomly.  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything and was just stating the way things are being taught in modernized education systems.  

You really can't figure out what environmental science is?  Sure, the same topics can be put into courses with various names.  In the IB, the "ES" program is called Environmental systems and society

ESS is firmly grounded in both a scientific exploration of environmental systems in their structure and function, and in the exploration of
cultural, economic, ethical, political and social interactions of societies
with the environment. As a result of studying this course, students
will become equipped with the ability to recognize and evaluate
the impact of our complex system of societies on the natural world.

Which, when you look into it, is basically the same thing I was referencing from the American "Next generation science standards" which are part of common core.  

Also, even though it was off-topic, I just want to post the UCLA gender studies description so that anyone who reads tecshares premodernist mind-mush can recognize its a legitimate field of study.

Gender Studies is an interdisciplinary field that focuses on the complex interaction of gender with other identity markers such as race, ethnicity, sexuality, nation, and religion. Gender— femininity and masculinity—is such a basic form of social organization that its operation often passes unnoticed.  Feminist scholarship demonstrates that traditional categories used for social analysis and their accompanying interpretive approaches often reinforce gender hierarchies and inequalities.

Interdisciplinary study emerged in response to the partial answers to social problems provided by the disciplines, and our faculty employ a wide range of qualitative research methods for understanding gender roles across historical periods and in different cultural contexts. Our core courses address the concepts of gender and the body, gender and power, and gender and knowledge through a range of topics such as freedom and liberty, social movements, masculinities, work and leisure, politics of social justice, intersectionality, colonial and sexual violence, and visual culture and citizenship.

[KingScorpio]

I guess you never had or worked with kids.  Some are born leaders, some are not.  No matter the circumstances.

Most of the time, people who look and act like born leaders are born psychopaths, but some are born sociopaths.

No question about it.  Many psychopaths are leaders, probably a higher percentage than non-psychopaths.

The issue I brought up is that we are all born with different innate qualities and applying the same outcome to everyone is just not right.

Socialism and communism are wrong because they start with the wrong assumption about our human nature.

so if a sith lord with magical power shows up that is powerful with the "force" you would voluntarilly submit for the rest of your existence to be his salary slave?
isis tried to create such a sith lord actually

If ISIS had done it, the sith lord would use the force to make you think that you had volunteered.

that would be a jedi knight, only they are using psychological tricks, like banking cartels that pretend to look for you or corrupt cryptocurrency indexes, that tell whole world is shitcoiners except them.

sith lords and the dark side prefers force

[TECSHARE]

"21st century education is currently teaching economics through environmental and social lenses in multi-disciplinary classes such as engineering, environmental science, as well as social studies.  "

Oh shit this random sentence in quote really convinced everyone I'm sure!

And I guess it's bad to learn economics through engineering and social science because... Sciences are bad I guess?
And I have no idea what environmental science is. I've never seen this class anywhere. Didn't you want to also add something like "gender studies" as you seem to chose things completely randomly?

You said "through environmental and social lenses" you didn't say to learn through. Sure integration is great, but substituting it for the classic educational model is just more deconstructivist Postmodernist Critical Theorist garbage specifically designed to erode the institutional foundations of... well everything.

This is why no one seems to be educated in school any more. They don't teach skills we need, they teach the world through the lens of social "sciences", and we have been over how scientific social sciences are. On a scale of 1-10 of maximum scientific method applied, social sciences rank in at about a 0.2.

Of course if your goal is endless deconstructivist subjectivity now that ambiguity is desirable now isn't it? I don't need to add "gender studies" because academia is one giant hybrid with Critical Theory already, which is what gender studies programs are based upon. AKA Marxism with a vinyl wrap of Bill Nye looking at some beakers over it so it looks extra sciencey.

When you state facts, you shouldn't try to use persuasaion techniques.  Facts are facts.  No one should have to convince you to believe them.  Thats how facts get mixed up with opinions.  Just because you guys don't know about something, doesn't mean it was made up randomly.  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything and was just stating the way things are being taught in modernized education systems.  

You really can't figure out what environmental science is?  Sure, the same topics can be put into courses with various names.  In the IB, the "ES" program is called Environmental systems and society

ESS is firmly grounded in both a scientific exploration of environmental systems in their structure and function, and in the exploration of
cultural, economic, ethical, political and social interactions of societies
with the environment. As a result of studying this course, students
will become equipped with the ability to recognize and evaluate
the impact of our complex system of societies on the natural world.

Which, when you look into it, is basically the same thing I was referencing from the American "Next generation science standards" which are part of common core.  

Also, even though it was off-topic, I just want to post the UCLA gender studies description so that anyone who reads tecshares premodernist mind-mush can recognize its a legitimate field of study.

Gender Studies is an interdisciplinary field that focuses on the complex interaction of gender with other identity markers such as race, ethnicity, sexuality, nation, and religion. Gender— femininity and masculinity—is such a basic form of social organization that its operation often passes unnoticed.  Feminist scholarship demonstrates that traditional categories used for social analysis and their accompanying interpretive approaches often reinforce gender hierarchies and inequalities.

Interdisciplinary study emerged in response to the partial answers to social problems provided by the disciplines, and our faculty employ a wide range of qualitative research methods for understanding gender roles across historical periods and in different cultural contexts. Our core courses address the concepts of gender and the body, gender and power, and gender and knowledge through a range of topics such as freedom and liberty, social movements, masculinities, work and leisure, politics of social justice, intersectionality, colonial and sexual violence, and visual culture and citizenship.

I was directly referring to the social sciences part, so naturally you assume the environmental sciences part so you at least have a leg to stand on. Also what the fuck are you talking about persuasion techniques?

Gender Studies is not science. Social sciences are BARELY science as a whole. My point stands. Interesting graphics choice... strait out of The Frankfurt School of Marxist bullshit made to look scientific.

[_Miracle]

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I was directly referring to the social sciences part, so naturally you assume the environmental sciences part so you at least have a leg to stand on. Also what the fuck are you talking about persuasion techniques?

Gender Studies is not science. Social sciences are BARELY science as a whole. My point stands. Interesting graphics choice... strait out of The Frankfurt School of Marxist bullshit made to look scientific.


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Actually it's N.W.A. Straight Outta Compton
with a design based on the parental advisory warning

[TECSHARE]

Thanks Easy-E.

[dippididodaday]

Humanity is on a growth spurt for sure - en route to 9 000 000 000 in the not-to-distant future, and beyond after that. A Capitalist gleefully looks at the numbers and greedily rubs his fat fingers together, with an ominous grin shaping his fixated unbalanced and skewed look (purpose). If realized, earth will at some point, maybe not at the nine billion figure but non the less later on, actually need those narrated Waste Allocation Load Lifter Earth-class unites - WALL-E s, after all, to clean up the heaps and heaps of polluted piles of garbage. The only difference from the story to our reality, is there is no space ship to float us out in space to fatten up some more, while WALL-E does his dirty little job of cubing up the compressed blocks of total left over capitalist-created waste.

Capitalism is extremely inefficient and completely disregards the safety of the public as well as future sustainability.  Nothing is produced for actual consumption. Everything is produced to be sold.  This means we grow food for 10 billion people and feed 5 billion well while throwing half of it away.  We literally build products to break early so we can sell them again.  Don't ever mention efficiency and capitalism again.

[KingScorpio]

I guess you never had or worked with kids.  Some are born leaders, some are not.  No matter the circumstances.

Most of the time, people who look and act like born leaders are born psychopaths, but some are born sociopaths.

No question about it.  Many psychopaths are leaders, probably a higher percentage than non-psychopaths.

The issue I brought up is that we are all born with different innate qualities and applying the same outcome to everyone is just not right.

Socialism and communism are wrong because they start with the wrong assumption about our human nature.

so if a sith lord with magical power shows up that is powerful with the "force" you would voluntarilly submit for the rest of your existence to be his salary slave?
isis tried to create such a sith lord actually

Unlike many of you on this forum, I have experienced both ends of the stick.

Sooner rather than later you will revert to your natural predisposition.

what are you talking about?