Calling out allyouracid to justify your Feedback on my profile (Community too)

[allyouracid]

You need to be Lauda's ass kisser to be able to get your red removed,you excluded the CULT thats why a random account has painted  you.Look at my trust,theymos allowed voting but they have accused me of conspiring with people who kick these abusers.

You really might wanna read the last posts here.
What you wrote makes no sense in this context.

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[Foxpup]

You need to be Lauda's ass kisser to be able to get your red removed,you excluded the CULT thats why a random account has painted  you.Look at my trust,theymos allowed voting but they have accused me of conspiring with people who kick these abusers.

This thread isn't about you, or even Lauda (phantastisch actually distrusts Lauda, in case you didn't notice). If you want to complain about your red trust, create your own thread instead of hijacking other people's.

[allyouracid]

Ok. I searched through my PMs, and I found something:


While I can't really remember everything from back then, it seems we already talked about that. I really have no idea what lead me to post that rating especially since we've had a PM exchange.
From the timestamps, it seems though that the information I gave him in the PM lead Joel to falsely accuse me as a scammer.

However, I hope everything's good, now.

Edit: this is the thread from the scammer: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1332256.msg13594272#msg13594272

So, for everybody reading this, it should be very clear that there's nothing of substance about all this.

To recap / sort of tl;dr on the whole situation, in chronological order:

- a wannabe blackmailer tried extorting someone on bitcointalk.org
- the blackmailed one went public, using this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1332256.msg13594272
- I saw that thread, told the blackmailer to leave people alone if I send him that lousy amount of 0.02 BTC
<nothing happened for some time>
- Joel somehow noticed that blackmailer in another event
- after some research, Joel found my BTC address being connected with it (because I sent the blackmailer the 0.02 BTC to gtfo), see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1347367.msg13733052#msg13733052
- Joel asked me how my BTC address was involved with that (see screenshot of PM right above)
- I explained, even backed it up with links (see screenshot of PM right above)
- that somehow lead Joel to think I am the blackmailer (a quick check of the BTC address in question would quickly reveal that I don't* deal with such amounts, thus it makes no sense for me to blackmail people for 0.02 BTC)
- I was annoyed by that, left him the bad rating
- Joel didn't bother, because (as he said) he's used to getting negative feedback which isn't justified
<nothing happens for some time>
- trust settings get changed on bitcointalk.org
- suddenly, my rating caused Joel's trust to appear red (again, sorry!)
- Joel opened this thread, because he thought he was removed from a campaign (which BoXXoB cleared up: he luckily wasn't)
- allyouracid (me, heh) removes the red trust, explains everything, hoping to clear everything up


* not don't, didn't - at that time. See address: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1FuckUpmVUxwHZH1vkLNkEYB8dTvsS782E?offset=600&filter=6
Right now, this address has small amounts incoming because of masternode rewards etc

[marlboroza]

Ok. I searched through my PMs, and I found something:


While I can't really remember everything from back then, it seems we already talked about that. I really have no idea what lead me to post that rating especially since we've had a PM exchange.
From the timestamps, it seems that the information I gave him in the PM lead Joel to falsely accuse me as a scammer.

However, I hope everything's good, now.

Joel_Jantsen's PM --> 15:53:03 (3:53 PM)
PM information --> January 31, 2016, 17:35:19 (5:35 PM)

Joel_Jantsen's "connection" --> January 31, 2016, 01:50:34 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, 1 PM comes before 5 PM?  
Anyway, everything is resolved so thread can be locked.

[allyouracid]

Correct me if I am wrong, 1 PM comes before 5 PM?  
Anyway, everything is resolved so thread can be locked.

Oops, looks like I messed something up

Yes, thread can be locked, however I'd still like to hear 1) from Joel that everything's good and he's okay with how everything got resolved and, if possible, 2) from suchmoon, because as I understood it, she put me on negative trust to compensate for Joel's formerly red trust.

Other than that: if there's any issue / questions like the one referenced earlier in this thread (where Joel already wondered why I left him a rating without reference): please just come and ask. Misunderstandings happen and they can be resolved.

~allyouracid is Distrusted by:
suchmoon (1570 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
marlboroza (646 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)


Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

This puts allyouracid at (-1) now.

If Joel agrees, can we fix that?

[marlboroza]

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It is not good practice to ask people to remove exclusion and it is definitely not good practice to PM them to do so, so please stop doing this.

[allyouracid]

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It is not good practice to ask people to remove exclusion and it is definitely not good practice to PM them to do so, so please stop doing this.

Noted - I did not know this. Just wanted to clean up on this whole thing, because I was quite surprised when I saw the PM from Joel this morning and the whole mess which unfolded without me even noticing. All good, I hope

[o_e_l_e_o]

You need to be Lauda's ass kisser to be able to get your red removed,you excluded the CULT thats why a random account has painted  you.Look at my trust,theymos allowed voting but they have accused me of conspiring with people who kick these abusers.

Isn't it interesting that when adults discuss things civilly, the outcome is both accounts in question burying the hatchet, red trust being removed, and both accounts being left in the green (from a default trust point of view). Compare that to calling people names and spamming multiple threads. You might want to mention the difference in that self-moderated thread for the consideration of your friends. (I've tried, but my posts are always deleted.)

Also, general commendations to the users involved here for doing just that - approaching this like adults and being mature enough to sort things out politely. The forum needs more of this.

- You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.

[Theb]

You need to be Lauda's ass kisser to be able to get your red removed,you excluded the CULT thats why a random account has painted  you.Look at my trust,theymos allowed voting but they have accused me of conspiring with people who kick these abusers.

No you don't need to be anyone's "ass kisser" for your red trust to be removed, it's either you have proven your point in the reputation section or you have resolved the problem on where you have a red trust on. The only red trusts that can't be removed are the ones where you have broken a rule or where you have been found guilty of doing just like manipulating the DT system which you have a negative feedback for. Common misunderstandings like this one are very forgivable and usually DT members know when to remove their red tag.

[LoyceV]

if possible, 2) from suchmoon, because as I understood it, she put me on negative trust to compensate for Joel's formerly red trust.

~allyouracid is Distrusted by:
suchmoon (1570 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)
marlboroza (646 Merit earned) (Trust feedback) (Trust list) (BPIP)

Source: LoyceV's Trust list viewer.
Get your own Trust list in BBCode at loyce.club/trust.

This puts allyouracid at (-1) now.

If Joel agrees, can we fix that?

I get the impression you don't know the difference between a trust list and trust feedback. If I'm right, you definitely shouldn't be on DT2, and in that case the exclusions are completely justified even after removing your red trust.

[allyouracid]

I get the impression you don't know the difference between a trust list and trust feedback. If I'm right, you definitely shouldn't be on DT2, and in that case the exclusions are completely justified even after removing your red trust.

No worries, I know the difference very well.
My main concern was, though, to resolve the issue with Joel, which seems to have worked.

Maybe I phrased it badly (English is not my main language): suchmoon put me on ~ so my negative rating doesn't have an actual impact. Sort of, to exclude me until the case is resolved.
I just wanted everyone involved to agree that the situation is resolved.

Edit: because you mentioned it: I think with the changes theymos made to the trust system in January, it will not be avoidable that users occasionally land on DT2, but have no idea about the trust system. Guess we'll have to see how it develops over time. But as I understood it, the current algo isn't set in stone, yet, and open to changes if the system doesn't work as it should.

[qwk]

If Joel agrees, can we fix that?

I get the impression you don't know the difference between a trust list and trust feedback.
If I'm right, you definitely shouldn't be on DT2, and in that case the exclusions are completely justified even after removing your red trust.

Hm, maybe here's a thing I don't fully understand about the trust system:
"Trust depth".

Default Depth is 2, which means that from DT2 members, usually only the Trust Feedback, but not their respective Trust Lists have any influence on newbies' Trust Scores, right?
Or am I off by 1, so that even DT2's Trust Lists propagate?

[Lauda]

If Joel agrees, can we fix that?

I get the impression you don't know the difference between a trust list and trust feedback.
If I'm right, you definitely shouldn't be on DT2, and in that case the exclusions are completely justified even after removing your red trust.

Hm, maybe here's a thing I don't fully understand about the trust system:
"Trust depth".

Default Depth is 2, which means that from DT2 members, usually only the Trust Feedback, but not their respective Trust Lists have any influence on newbies' Trust Scores, right?
Or am I off by 1, so that even DT2's Trust Lists propagate?

The people you add are your DT0, their list is your DT1 and the list of those members is your DT2. If you use DefaultTrust only then you see only DT1 and DT2. This is why it is kind-of recommended to set depth 1 if you use a fully custom list.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I get the impression you don't know the difference between a trust list and trust feedback. If I'm right, you definitely shouldn't be on DT2, and in that case the exclusions are completely justified even after removing your red trust.

I respectfully disagree.  As long as his feedback is fair, there shouldn't be a problem if he doesn't completely understand the mechanics of the trust system--and I bet this thread is a pretty good education for him, anyway.  Cut him a little bit of slack for not completely comprehending this weird, intricate system that Theymos (I assume) created; he was fair with Joel_Jantsen's feedback and sort of proved he wasn't some power-tripping hothead bent on negging his way to fame and fortune on the forum.

As my ratings never meant anything, the one I gave him was probably not even that serious. Apologies, Joel. Hope we're good!

Props for doing that.

[allyouracid]

I get the impression you don't know the difference between a trust list and trust feedback. If I'm right, you definitely shouldn't be on DT2, and in that case the exclusions are completely justified even after removing your red trust.

I respectfully disagree.  As long as his feedback is fair, there shouldn't be a problem if he doesn't completely understand the mechanics of the trust system--and I bet this thread is a pretty good education for him, anyway.  Cut him a little bit of slack for not completely comprehending this weird, intricate system that Theymos (I assume) created; he was fair with Joel_Jantsen's feedback and sort of proved he wasn't some power-tripping hothead bent on negging his way to fame and fortune on the forum.

This kind of sums it up. Well, I did know the difference between the trust list and trust feedback, but this whole situation has caused me to read up on it a bit more. And not only that: all of a sudden, a rating from years ago is able to cause actual damage. If that was even a remote option when I gave him the rating, I wouldn't have done it. Next thing I did was check my sent feedback, to make sure there's nothing similar (which there wasn't).

And I think the time I spent on this, today (time my family would have enjoyed spending with me), shows that I'm not taking this lightly. At all.

As my ratings never meant anything, the one I gave him was probably not even that serious. Apologies, Joel. Hope we're good!

Props for doing that.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Default Depth is 2, which means that from DT2 members, usually only the Trust Feedback, but not their respective Trust Lists have any influence on newbies' Trust Scores, right?

That is correct.

If you are using Default Trust with a depth of 2 (the default settings), "Default Trust" as an entity is DT0, and you will see the trust feedback from both DT1 and DT2 members. DT1 members' trust lists select DT2, but DT2 members' trust lists (in this setup) are irrelevant to you.

If, however, you have your own custom trust list, then whoever you add to your trust list is Level 0. This means that with a depth of 2, the trust list of users you have on your own custom list will select your Level 1, and the trust list of those users (your Level 1) will select your Level 2. For this reason, as Lauda says, most people with a custom list will use a depth of 1, otherwise you are seeing feedback from someone who is trusted (Level 2) by someone who is trusted (Level 1) by someone you trust (Level 0 - your own list).

[DireWolfM14]

Isn't it interesting that when adults discuss things civilly, the outcome is both accounts in question burying the hatchet, red trust being removed, and both accounts being left in the green (from a default trust point of view). Compare that to calling people names and spamming multiple threads. You might want to mention the difference in that self-moderated thread for the consideration of your friends. (I've tried, but my posts are always deleted.)

Also, general commendations to the users involved here for doing just that - approaching this like adults and being mature enough to sort things out politely. The forum needs more of this.

- You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.

I was thinking the same thing as I was reading this thread.  Civil discourse could solve many problems on this forum.  People just have to remain calm enough to initiate the discussion in a civil manner when they feel they have been wronged.  Go into the discussion assuming that given the opportunity, most people will do the right thing.