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March 13, 2014, 12:54:44 PM
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Also, zero control brings out the worst in people.

Precisely why it's a bad idea to have a monopoly on force.
Guess so. Are you referring to gun control laws in the US? Since I don't live there, I don't really know.

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The top sheriff in a rural part of northern Nevada told residents this week that one of his deputies acted appropriately by confiscating tens-of-thousands of dollars and a handgun from two men who were never charged with crimes.

Humboldt County Sheriff Ed Kilgore defended his department during an open meeting on Tuesday this week in Winnemucca, NV, where around 40 residents of the region turned up to talk to law enforcement about two headline-making lawsuits that have propelled the area into the national spotlight as of late.

The federal suits — both filed last month in United States District Court — allege that Deputy Lee Dove of the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office acted unlawfully when he pulled over two drivers in September and December of last year for routine traffic violations, only to confiscate large sums of money and, in one instance, a handgun, without ever charging either individual with a crime.

In each case, the plaintiffs were stopped by Dove for minor infractions and eventually released without being booked. Both times, however, he came upon large amounts of cash in their vehicles and confiscated it by evoking a controversial “civil forfeiture” provision that lets law enforcement take money if an officer thinks it was either obtained illegally or will be used for illicit means.

Both cases attracted the attention of Associated Press reporter Scott Sonner, who profiled the lawsuits earlier this month in a story that set the stage for Tuesday’s meeting in the county center.

“Two men who were traveling alone through the high desert last year offer strikingly similar accounts of their stops by the same Humboldt County deputy near the town of Winnemucca, about 165 miles east of Reno,” Sonner wrote last week. “Neither search produced drugs or an arrest, but in one case Deputy Lee Dove took a briefcase filled with $50,000 and in the other he seized $13,800 and a handgun, according to the lawsuits filed in US District Court in Reno.”

Attorneys for Tan Nguyen, 37, filed their suit on February 12, and in it they alleged that Dove pulled over their client the previous September for driving 78 miles-per-hour in a 75 mph zone.

“Dove stopped Plaintiff in a ‘profile stop,’ suspecting that Plaintiff was transporting illegal drugs, which he was not,” they wrote. Upon inspecting the vehicle, however, the deputy came across a briefcase containing $50,000 in US currency and two cashier’s checks, which were promptly confiscated.

“Plaintiff was neither arrested nor cited for any violation of the law in relation to this encounter with Dove,” attorneys wrote. “Rather, Dove gave the plaintiff only a warning.”

According to the suit, Dove told Nguyen that he would be arrested unless he “got in his car and drove off and forgot this ever happened.” The fifty-grand — winnings from a Nevada casino, according to Nguyen’s attorneys — was never returned.

http://rt.com/usa/nevada-lawsuits-forfeiture-kilgore-610/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome

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March 13, 2014, 09:26:02 PM
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The top sheriff in a rural part of northern Nevada told residents this week that one of his deputies acted appropriately by confiscating tens-of-thousands of dollars and a handgun from two men who were never charged with crimes.

Humboldt County Sheriff Ed Kilgore defended his department during an open meeting on Tuesday this week in Winnemucca, NV, where around 40 residents of the region turned up to talk to law enforcement about two headline-making lawsuits that have propelled the area into the national spotlight as of late.

The federal suits — both filed last month in United States District Court — allege that Deputy Lee Dove of the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office acted unlawfully when he pulled over two drivers in September and December of last year for routine traffic violations, only to confiscate large sums of money and, in one instance, a handgun, without ever charging either individual with a crime.

In each case, the plaintiffs were stopped by Dove for minor infractions and eventually released without being booked. Both times, however, he came upon large amounts of cash in their vehicles and confiscated it by evoking a controversial “civil forfeiture” provision that lets law enforcement take money if an officer thinks it was either obtained illegally or will be used for illicit means.

Both cases attracted the attention of Associated Press reporter Scott Sonner, who profiled the lawsuits earlier this month in a story that set the stage for Tuesday’s meeting in the county center.

“Two men who were traveling alone through the high desert last year offer strikingly similar accounts of their stops by the same Humboldt County deputy near the town of Winnemucca, about 165 miles east of Reno,” Sonner wrote last week. “Neither search produced drugs or an arrest, but in one case Deputy Lee Dove took a briefcase filled with $50,000 and in the other he seized $13,800 and a handgun, according to the lawsuits filed in US District Court in Reno.”

Attorneys for Tan Nguyen, 37, filed their suit on February 12, and in it they alleged that Dove pulled over their client the previous September for driving 78 miles-per-hour in a 75 mph zone.

“Dove stopped Plaintiff in a ‘profile stop,’ suspecting that Plaintiff was transporting illegal drugs, which he was not,” they wrote. Upon inspecting the vehicle, however, the deputy came across a briefcase containing $50,000 in US currency and two cashier’s checks, which were promptly confiscated.

“Plaintiff was neither arrested nor cited for any violation of the law in relation to this encounter with Dove,” attorneys wrote. “Rather, Dove gave the plaintiff only a warning.”

According to the suit, Dove told Nguyen that he would be arrested unless he “got in his car and drove off and forgot this ever happened.” The fifty-grand — winnings from a Nevada casino, according to Nguyen’s attorneys — was never returned.

http://rt.com/usa/nevada-lawsuits-forfeiture-kilgore-610/?utm_source=browser&utm_medium=aplication_chrome&utm_campaign=chrome


Guess that's the other side of the coin: both the lack of control and too much control yield problems. And as I have seen the superpowers like US, Russia and China are skilled in mass control.

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March 13, 2014, 10:39:29 PM
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Guess that's the other side of the coin: both the lack of control and too much control yield problems. And as I have seen the superpowers like US, Russia and China are skilled in mass control.
Instead of balancing the scale, why not remove the possibility for an abuse of power?  With the current incentive structure, people must rely on their own morality to not abuse power.  But the very nature of obtaining a position of power attracts those with poor morality.

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March 14, 2014, 05:34:43 AM
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Also, zero control brings out the worst in people.

Precisely why it's a bad idea to have a monopoly on force.
Guess so. Are you referring to gun control laws in the US? Since I don't live there, I don't really know.

The government has a monopoly on force.

How are laws imposed?

Force.

How are taxes collected?

Force.


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March 14, 2014, 12:15:18 PM
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Also, zero control brings out the worst in people.

Precisely why it's a bad idea to have a monopoly on force.
Guess so. Are you referring to gun control laws in the US? Since I don't live there, I don't really know.

The government has a monopoly on force.

How are laws imposed?

Force.

How are taxes collected?

Force.


Everything will always be controlled by force since it's the most primal way of control. And the only way to control everyone  including low-lives is force. Nothing really new much.

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March 14, 2014, 04:49:12 PM
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Also, zero control brings out the worst in people.

Precisely why it's a bad idea to have a monopoly on force.
Guess so. Are you referring to gun control laws in the US? Since I don't live there, I don't really know.

The government has a monopoly on force.

How are laws imposed?

Force.

How are taxes collected?

Force.


Everything will always be controlled by force since it's the most primal way of control. And the only way to control everyone  including low-lives is force. Nothing really new much.
Well, making people stupid through propaganda is another way to do that. Countries all over the world use this method now.

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