What is wrong with the development of new software ?

[eckmar]

I've been checking this section from time to time to see whats the progress on the new forum and I don't understand what's happening anymore. We can all see that a lot of money went to the project with no results whatsoever. Now, I'm looking at a situation as a web developer that's experienced in NodeJs (as I saw that new technologies was excuse for slow development before) and I don't understand why is development taking years ? I mean, when I was learning web development in high school years back the first thing you build on your own is blog and the next thing is forum.

Now, I know Bitcointalk has a lot of custom functionality but honestly can you say that anyone would need years to develop it ? There is not a single function that is considered "hard", just time consuming. A project like this in done in months of active development (1-2 developers). Now maybe we don't have the same understanding of active development ? I guess if you are paid to do a job you would be doing it for 6-7 hours every day (yeah you can't really code 8 hours straight).

Now with all this, can someone (preferably developer/s who work on new software) clarify what exactly is the problem with development ?
The funny thing is, they want new technologies like nodejs, redis etc but when they started development new tech of the time like AnguarJs is now outdated   

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[vlad230]

Unfortunately, I think nobody knows what's going on exactly...

I remember some time ago volunteering for work towards it in my spare time along with other people that may have the skills for it but nobody took it seriously.

I don't believe the forum software will ever be deployed for the community here to use.

[free-bit.co.in]

I'm waiting since 2013 for the new promised forum, but I lost hope a long time ago.   I know the project is big and no security bugs are allowed to happen in the new forum, so we will wait longer for a release. Maybe in the next 3-4 year we will see it finished.

How much did Theymos paid or is paying the developers for the new forum project?

[logfiles]

I'm waiting since 2013 for the new promised forum, but I lost hope a long time ago.   I know the project is big and no security bugs are allowed to happen in the new forum, so we will wait longer for a release. Maybe in the next 3-4 year we will see it finished.

How much did Theymos paid or is paying the developers for the new forum project?

Not much is talked about the forum software development though i think the budget could be already in $1M+
To be honest, the wait has really been so long we even don't know if it's nearing completion. Only the admin knows for sure.

[koshgel]

This has become a long running joke. The last update from the lead developer was in December. After seeing Theymos shill alt coins, I don't have any trust for this website or the things he promises

[theymos]

The software is substantially complete. The main period of development was a while ago; the current work is mainly just maintenance & relatively minor improvements. Try running it yourself and you'll find that it's working, fast, and nearly feature-complete.

The things blocking a transition from the current software to the new software are:
 - There hasn't been enough testing. I think that immediately after transition, a variety of small missed features, bugs, and performance issues would crop up. As a result, if the transition happened now (which is technically possible!), I'd expect the post-transition user experience to be poor for months while these things are fixed, which I don't want.
 - I am the only bitcointalk.org sysadmin and on-demand programmer, and I'm used to the current software. Furthermore, I need to frequently make changes to the current software, but each change I make might require alterations to Epochtalk, which is problematic.
 - The current PHP software, while ugly and sub-optimal in many ways, performs well, especially since I have extensively modified the backend to add features and improve performance. So I don't feel much urgency.
 - The data-transition procedure still has a few known minor bugs.
 
We continue to work on these issues. I think that ultimately I may need to hire one or more full-time people, since a big problem is that the full transition is likely to create a ton of work which I won't be able to effectively handle alone.

The software is not vaporware (it's long existed in a runnable state, and is currently basically feature-complete), and is not abandoned (look at the git commit log). If anyone is unhappy with the progress, I invite them to take the Epochtalk code and create a competing forum with it; since they won't have to worry about the transition issues, they'd have a much easier time, and their testing will also end up helping us.

In short: If you want the software quicker, go run your own forum with it, and work to get any problems or missing features you find resolved via bug reports, etc. This would increase public interest, provide much-needed testing, and I might even hire you to work on bitcointalk.org when we're ready to do the final transition here.

[slocker]

- There hasn't been enough testing. I think that immediately after transition, a variety of small missed features, bugs, and performance issues would crop up. As a result, if the transition happened now (which is technically possible!), I'd expect the post-transition user experience to be poor for months while these things are fixed, which I don't want.

Can we as community here help in some way, something like beta testing, but I believe that you already have several or more that will help you in this matter. If not why dont maybe ask several user to test this new software and report potential error. Believe that many will be better and that this could help you much in this

- I am the only bitcointalk.org sysadmin and on-demand programmer, and I'm used to the current software. Furthermore, I need to frequently make changes to the current software, but each change I make might require alterations to Epochtalk, which is problematic.

This is bad. I always believe that there is team behind forum not single person. I can only then say that you going more then a good job.

[teeGUMES]

- I am the only bitcointalk.org sysadmin and on-demand programmer, and I'm used to the current software. Furthermore, I need to frequently make changes to the current software, but each change I make might require alterations to Epochtalk, which is problematic.

I'll fully admit I don't know the ins and outs about this kind of development, but what I do know is how many exchanges have been going tits up due to having only 1 director or 1 person with the know how.. and then unfortunately having something happen to that person and it all comes toppling down.
With that said I hope you have some sort of succession plan in case of the worst case scenario happening to you theymos and have somebody that understands/can fill your shoes in that case.
Or just live healthy forever, which is what we all want.

[jackbauercsgo]

I just want to read on mobile without having to scroll for every single sentence... theymos plz bae

[TryNinja]

I just want to read on mobile without having to scroll for every single sentence... theymos plz bae

The new forum software is mobile friendly/responsible. Just wait for it.

[vlad230]

The new forum software is mobile friendly/responsible. Just wait for it.

The new forum has everything you ever wished for, it's like the holy grail of forums, but you can't have it.

[lulucrypto]

Hello everyone !

You can now try Epochtalk

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5115500.new#new

[sncc]

Good to know the current situation of the new forum software and that it is actually close to complete.  The number of topics about Epochtalk has been increasing, seems to be leading to a big stream.

[UserU]

Would BTCT run on SMF 2.1? It is responsive, which is the main eye-catcher for mobile users.

[TryNinja]

Would BTCT run on SMF 2.1? It is responsive, which is the main eye-catcher for mobile users.

It could. But it won’t.

theymos paid a considerable amount of money for the new forum software. There is no reasons to keep using SMF.

[eckmar]

Would BTCT run on SMF 2.1? It is responsive, which is the main eye-catcher for mobile users.

It could. But it won’t.

theymos paid a considerable amount of money for the new forum software. There is no reasons to keep using SMF.

Honestly, new SMF is much better than new forum software that is still in developmet.

[TryNinja]

Honestly, new SMF is much better than new forum software that is still in developmet.

Well, it's a WIP. I assume new features will be released in the course of time. Maybe it will be better in the long term, or maybe it's just a "waste of time"; we can't really know.

[JohnnyDoe2]

Would BTCT run on SMF 2.1? It is responsive, which is the main eye-catcher for mobile users.

It could. But it won’t.

theymos paid a considerable amount of money for the new forum software. There is no reasons to keep using SMF.

Sure there is. Everyone's used to SMF. Nobody asked for a new system.

[TryNinja]

Sure there is. Everyone's used to SMF. Nobody asked for a new system.

There is no reasons to keep using SMF after paying some big money for a new forum software and many years of development.

[josephdd1]

In short: If you want the software quicker, go run your own forum with it, and work to get any problems or missing features you find resolved via bug reports, etc. This would increase public interest, provide much-needed testing, and I might even hire you to work on bitcointalk.org when we're ready to do the final transition here.

Why don't you do a bounty? At the end of it, the one with the best skills and suggestions and bounty points (?) gets a full time job?