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February 12, 2019, 05:57:33 PM
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long story short
he doesnt write bitcoin code
in 2011+ he pretended to own bitcoin and make a false name for himself by pretending to own coins of bitcoins inventor(due to certain addresses being well known(part of his ploy/plot))

he does not own the coins and just grabbed publicly available data, which anyone has access to, to fake a 'trustfund' to then use the trust fund as collateral to scam many businesses including the australian government.

in short he is not a bitcoin coder, not a bitcoiner, and not a bitcoin influencer.
I agree that this man is probably not Satoshi, even though we cannot be 100% sure, but  I am pretty sure he owns (or used to own until recently) a lot of bitcoins. I mean, don't we even know for sure he has lots of bitcoins? He wouldn't have been sued for billions unless people new he had them, no? And he said he'll sell a lot, and we can see that someone did.
Returning to the question in the original post, he is not, was not and will not ever be the Satoshi we respect and value.

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February 12, 2019, 07:13:01 PM
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but  I am pretty sure he owns (or used to own until recently) a lot of bitcoins.
He bought an insignificant sum on mtgox in 2013. There is no evidence that I'm aware of to suggest that he had any when he started scamming Bitcoiners. And there is a lot of evidence he didn't: If he did, why would he be risking them (and his freedom) attempting to defraud the AU government for millions? Why, when the AU government caught him and demanded he prove he had owned bitcoins under risk of imprisonment (his scam required him to claim to have a lot of BTC) -- didn't he reveal some of them instead of taking the risky step of claiming that a bunch of MTGox's coins were his?

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He wouldn't have been sued for billions unless people new he had them, no?
The people suing him are doing it just on the basis of his public claims.  For them it's a simple strategy:  Either Wright is telling the truth and they're owed big time, or Wright is lying and he should settle with them (for, say, a few million) quickly before their discovery process reveals more of his criminal fraud. Win/win.  To do this they have to treat his public claims as the truth, even if they don't believe them. Though they might... filing a lawsuit doesn't give them any special insight. The fact that wright is frauding is better for their lawsuit since it creates more incentive for wright to settle quickly.  (Unfortunately for them, he's just not that sane...)
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February 12, 2019, 07:57:40 PM
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Today I happened across a recent interview with him, in a bitcoin discussion.

He stated at the end, "I was Satoshi".

The interesting thing I noted is a well educated smart individual using the word "was", is very past tense.

It could have been nothing really, but from someone who hasn't even begun to touch his wallets for some time, sounded odd.

Is he for real? He doesn't seem fraudulent to me.

But that is a big statement to make to the crypto world.

I apologize if this has been posted to death, I didnt want to necro any old stuff.

Somebody blow my fuckin brains out while the day's still young ... PLEASE!!!

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"I am Satoshi!"


"Meeting Satoshi in person was like looking in a mirror."

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Today I happened across a recent interview with him, in a bitcoin discussion.

He stated at the end, "I was Satoshi".

The interesting thing I noted is a well educated smart individual using the word "was", is very past tense.

It could have been nothing really, but from someone who hasn't even begun to touch his wallets for some time, sounded odd.

Is he for real? He doesn't seem fraudulent to me.

But that is a big statement to make to the crypto world.

I apologize if this has been posted to death, I didnt want to necro any old stuff.

Somebody blow my fuckin brains out while the day's still young ... PLEASE!!!

LMAO. Sorry dude. Didn't mean to fire you up.

I was ignorant of his past, but boy howdy I learned quick. Still quite an interesting back story I wasn't aware of.
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February 13, 2019, 03:53:15 AM
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There's a long post by Greg Maxwell on reddit aka nullc, he goes in detail about how he did the trick of signing the key in front of Gavin Andressen and whoever else was there on the non-disclosure signing event.

There's also the job done by wizsec on the so called satoshi coins linked to Craig's claims:



What can be said about Craig Wright that hasn't been said at this point?

I will give him the benefit of the doubt until 2020 because im very generous. He himself put several countdowns on his credibility, including the end of the Tulip Trust thing which has the coins on lock, and the one where he will kill segwit next year. If he doesn't deliver, he just can't hold his act anymore, not even for his biggest fans. His ego is unlimited tho, just like his block size, so he will come up with further excuses.
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February 13, 2019, 04:22:43 AM
Last edit: February 13, 2019, 04:48:42 AM by franky1
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I will give him the benefit of the doubt until 2020 because im very generous. He himself put several countdowns on his credibility, including the end of the Tulip Trust thing which has the coins on lock, and the one where he will kill segwit next year. If he doesn't deliver, he just can't hold his act anymore, not even for his biggest fans. His ego is unlimited tho, just like his block size, so he will come up with further excuses.

did you even read the details of the tulip trust.

heres the revelation.
the tulip trust holds only PUBLIC KEYS which were put into a notepad file. and then notorised into a fund.
NO PRIVATE KEYS

as your post above proves he just grabbed random early adoptor keys. again PUBLIC KEYS
the tulip trust has NO PRIVATE KEYS

so no point waiting for 2020.
the tulip trust has been ripped apart as a scam hense why when craig used the tulip trust as collateral. it led to craig getting into alot of trouble with the aussie government after they done their checks.

all craig wright is doing now, because he cannot provide private keys. is to try social drama stuff to get his face on as many media publishings as possible and hope using the media publishing as proof of ID, to then hope to use that as proof of ownership (DUMB-ASS)

until then he is trying lots of tricks to gather funds to hope to ponzi his way out of big trouble (repay the big debts) and try to mitigate trouble by leaving only small holders too afraid to sue him left empty handed.

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February 13, 2019, 06:34:52 AM
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that's incredible to me, because he comes off like an obvious conman to me. maybe it's just the fact that i've seen him caught in lies---like the time he tried to trick people into believing he controlled satoshi's PGP key. it was an obvious scam.
Like some other people that dupe people around this space (... say someone who posted earlier in this thread...) Wright compensates for cluelessness by applying an abusive attitude, technobabble, and choir preaching insults at respected authorities to both elevate his standing and make his audience feel superior (like "I knew it! all along those respected folks were really worst than me!").

People without the relevant background can't judge the content, but they hear the the tone and attitude and they can't imagine using that approach unless they were telling the truth.  They just cant imagine being a pathological liar with testicles of neutronium themselves... and so, improbable as it seems, they actually find Wright's spiel credible even though to the rest of us it wouldn't even make for a credible conman act in a movie.

In fact, his utter implausibility works in his favour in another way: it discourages competent people from spending their time discrediting him, and when they do it they find themselves saying something like "wtf. how could you _possibly_ believe this crap. I can't even.", -- not exactly the most effective, even though it's actually a fair response considering the utter absurdity of the situation. Smiley

Also, since no one has linked it and to avoid myself being guilty of just giving a "I can't even" response, the bitcoin wiki page on Wright is obligatory reading: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Craig_Wright

I have wanted to ask this question to people who had interactions with Gavin Andresen.

What's the story behind Gavin Andresen's claim that "Craig Wright" is Satoshi? He has the relevant background to judge, and I believe that he is not that naive either. But why?

I heard of theories that it was a deliberate act to discredit himself because he was already compromised by the CIA.

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February 13, 2019, 06:58:40 AM
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the only reason why people like Craig Wright exist and continue their shenanigans online is because WE are giving them the attention they seek and them being attention whores and wanting to scam people love this attention and succeed in their mission.
so i say it is time that we stop starting new topics and discussing anything that is remotely related to these types of people. that is the easiest way you can fight them. otherwise you will be blue in the face before you can debunk half their bullshit.

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February 13, 2019, 10:28:34 AM
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@gmaxwell Oh damn, I never realised everything was nicely documented on the wiki page. Thanks, and very useful reference.

As pointed out countless times and reminded belatedly in that string of evidence against CW, proof of claim should be supremely trivial (as shown by LTC and DGB creators who simply signed from address associated with Genesis block).

Love the following Tweet: https://twitter.com/spiroseliot/status/727163005339860992

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Like some other people that dupe people around this space (... say someone who posted earlier in this thread...) Wright compensates for cluelessness by applying an abusive attitude, technobabble, and choir preaching insults at respected authorities
bitcoin has authorities...
Gmax claiming to be an authority... is the exact problem that proves bitcoin centralisation.. while then saying that if people dont respect him, the disrespectful should be treated as clueless abusive choir preachers...

dang gmax, high ego. and admitting bitcoin is centralised in one sentance.
kinda the whole reason to actually lose respect for you


anyway craig wright is just a scammer playing with an altcoin that he didnt even write himself. he deserves no fame and should just fizzle out into obscurity. cw has nothing to do with bitcoin.
 im surprised how such an 'authority' deems cw such a threat to even get emotional about cw drama.

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February 13, 2019, 12:25:20 PM
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also those few people that have slow internet because they are home users actually bottleneck the propogation. and thus they are not helping the network. so just being a full node for the sake of thinking they are helping, is actually doing the opposite.
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February 13, 2019, 12:54:19 PM
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also those few people that have slow internet because they are home users actually bottleneck the propogation. and thus they are not helping the network. so just being a full node for the sake of thinking they are helping, is actually doing the opposite.
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mindset above is of the same mindset as real bitcoin inventor circa 2008-2010.(satoshi, NOT craig)
this is not a mindset of cw's creation... but craig to pretend he was the inventor adopted this mindset to push his fake ploy that he was the creator.

when others agree with the idea that slow connections=bottlenecks, does not make the idea wrong simply because cw now quotes it. it also does not mean people are following craig if they are following the slow internet=bottleneck..
but should be realised that the content has merit(original source). but that craig is only saying it purely from a point of view of 'i am satoshi'.. it still does not make the content wrong. but just makes craig a ass hat for trying to claim the mindset as his own


if your a home user with slow internet dont try being a node with hundreds of connections. as its like trying to be a torrent seed that is only offering independent users a 0.005kb/s datastream. its far better to only have 1-2 connections to cause less bottlenecking for others. thus offering a 0.25-0.5 datastream instead of 0.005
attempting to up the node connections to be helpful does do the opposite. because the recipients are not getting best connectivity.
also du to node drops due to low offering.. a slow internet user then needs to establish new connections and then send out the exact same data to new nodes AGAIN and again and again. thus not even helping the slow internet users own bandwidth utility.
its like someone with a stutter. its far better to talk to only a couple people and concentrate your speach on 2 people to keep a good conversation. than to try talking to 100's of people who will get bored of waiting for the completion of a sentance, walk off and the guy stuttering then has to restart with new people. it does not help the listeners. and the guy stuttering ends up repeating self more often then needed, further infuriating himself due to his limited ability. thus helping no one

think about it logically.. even the real bitcoin creator pointed this out in 2009-2010(again real bitcoin creator, not cw)
imagine 8 slow internet users of 0.5mb/s had 100 node connectivity for seeding out data.
another node that connected to those 8 slow internet users would get 8 connections of only 0.005(0.04 combined)

now imagine the 8 slow internet users only allowed 2 nodes each
another node that connected to 8 slow internet users would get 8 connections of 0.25(2mb combined)

also it actually helps the slow internet user to:
be a reliable seeder for others
to not have connected nodes drop them meaning they retain connections
to not have to get repeat drops which means not have to repeatedly send the same data
which reduces the bandwidth usage the slower user actually uses, thus helps themselves and their connected peers.
.. also those not personally needing to verify hundreds of transactions a day add latency, so normlly best to have 100,000 nodes that need high transaction verification needs. than have home users that dont need high transaction verification needs just being there for the sake of being there

but again
just because craig says it in 2015+ does not mean the original idea from the original source of 2008-10 is wrong. and does not mean others who say it are also wrong. because the reality is that idea is not of craigs invention..
though there are some people out there that try to discredit real idea's, simply due to craig quoting the idea. even if its not craigs idea in the first place

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February 13, 2019, 02:02:57 PM
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the only reason why people like Craig Wright exist and continue their shenanigans online is because WE are giving them the attention they seek and them being attention whores and wanting to scam people love this attention and succeed in their mission.
so i say it is time that we stop starting new topics and discussing anything that is remotely related to these types of people. that is the easiest way you can fight them. otherwise you will be blue in the face before you can debunk half their bullshit.



Yes you are right !


I think it is time for me to write here few lines to demonstrate some secret matter regarding @ProfFaustus. Craig Wright did not created the social media id name @ProfFaustus. Indeed it was Satoshi Nakamoto who created the social media id @ProfFaustus  and he put Craig Wright's picture from the internet on it. Some how, Craig Wright has got the access of this  social media id @ProfFaustus and claiming to be the owner of it. This is a Bitcoin Drama what Satoshi Nakamoto himself has designed on the online to enhance the possibility expansion  of Bitcoin and Blockchain technology.  

Every movie needs a villain or two or more to make the movie more interesting. The Spectators do not know what is next ? it would be pointless to create a real live Bitcoin Drama online without the artistic elements of drama or film. Craig Wright   recently reading a lot about the real Satoshi's writings which are available online and mimicking as a very good impostor of Satoshi Nakamoto character.  He has stated in his Medium  article that he hate Ross Ulbricht  because of his creation of Silk Road and other things. A parot is always a parot and the parot will never turn into a human being speaking human language. Craig Wright is just character, a role in Satoshi's Bitcoin Drama.

Well Satoshi met Craig Wright once, only once. He himself does not like the Craig Wrigh's atitudes of pride and arrogance behaviour but Satoshi wish Craig Wright could have improve his atitudes up to an acceptable standard if he is going play the role of Satoshi impostor. Satoshi has tried to educade him tand help him to change  his arrogance but  Craig Wright is Craig Wrigh and he always will be Craig Wright from Australia.


I really do not want to push Craig Wright out of the Bitcoin Drama Stage, until all his recitations come to the end.

The Bitcoin Community has the rights and responsibilty to fight against any fraudstar by revealing the true identity
of real Satoshi Nakamoto. Other wise Satoshi himself will standup and reveal his true indentity to correct the thing that
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February 13, 2019, 07:08:58 PM
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also those few people that have slow internet because they are home users actually bottleneck the propogation. and thus they are not helping the network. so just being a full node for the sake of thinking they are helping, is actually doing the opposite.
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mindset above is of the same mindset as real bitcoin inventor circa 2008-2010

The mindlessness above is that some newbie spammer copy/pasted and plagiarised your own words, then added some smileys at the end and you didn't even notice.  Did you really think someone actually agreed with you?  That's just precious.   Grin

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Today I happened across a recent interview with him, in a bitcoin discussion.

He stated at the end, "I was Satoshi".

The interesting thing I noted is a well educated smart individual using the word "was", is very past tense.

It could have been nothing really, but from someone who hasn't even begun to touch his wallets for some time, sounded odd.

Is he for real? He doesn't seem fraudulent to me.

But that is a big statement to make to the crypto world.

I apologize if this has been posted to death, I didnt want to necro any old stuff.
If you think his use of "was" was telling that he's a fraud, wait till you read all of these: https://github.com/CultOfCraig/cult-of-craig
With Wikileaks calling him the Bernie Madoff of crypto, his career as a con artist will soon be over.

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also those few people that have slow internet because they are home users actually bottleneck the propogation. and thus they are not helping the network. so just being a full node for the sake of thinking they are helping, is actually doing the opposite.
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mindset above is of the same mindset as real bitcoin inventor circa 2008-2010

The mindlessness above is that some newbie spammer copy/pasted and plagiarised your own words, then added some smileys at the end and you didn't even notice.  Did you really think someone actually agreed with you?  That's just precious.   Grin
Mr drama queen.
my reply was that i recognised my own words and treated ashraf226 quoting my words and the tears as some subtle face palm . not agreement....
in relation to what i believed was ashraf226 thinking i follow CW.(because CW also says that.. )
(learn subtly.. oh and it was tears not smiles. so again, ill say it to you.. i did not assume agreement.. i noticed the opposite than agreement..)

again it was nothing about ashraf226 himself agreeing with me. it was actually about me recognising the subtle hint that he facepalming me and feels i must be sharing an opinion with CW.. which is something you yourself also wrongly supposed think too. due to CW saying similar stuff

if you done research you would know the actual source of the mindset.. oh wait... my post even clarified it.. yet you didnt even get that hint

anyway
so i replied in the manner to clarify that the mindset of home users bottlenecking the network is not a concept/idea of CW..

i was pre-empting the obvious subtle facepalm rebuttle... thus its you that didnt pick up on the subtlety of why ashraf226 facepalmed my words

so again for clear emphasis
the home users botleneck the network is not an idea made in 2015+ by CW,
anyone also agreeing with such should not then be pigeon holed into the 2015+ CW drama

the home users bottleneck the network is an idea by the real bitcoin inventor(satoshi, not CW) circa 2008-2010
CW only took on the concept purely because of CW wanted to pretend to be satoshi. however CW real independant thoughts actually counter satoshis

so dismissing the content of home users bottleneck the network purely because CW used it years later . is the foolish thing. because that just makes lame excuses to dismiss anything satoshi ever felt/thought.. if then years later a scammer called CW then quotes it.

it is also foolish to pigeon hole people as CW followers, even though, if you do research the thoughts were not even CW's
again for emphasis.. when the original source of what people follow was not even CW
admit it doomad.. you foolishly want to pigeon hole me into CW follower. but you have not done the research
That's right, be a good little lapdog and keep spreading Craig Wright's arguments.  Then wonder why no one takes you seriously.

dont you get it yet. CW is not even making the concepts he is grabbing them from others.
wake up and do the research

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February 14, 2019, 12:35:11 AM
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Like some other people that dupe people around this space (... say someone who posted earlier in this thread...) Wright compensates for cluelessness by applying an abusive attitude, technobabble, and choir preaching insults at respected authorities
bitcoin has authorities...
Gmax claiming to be an authority... is the exact problem that proves bitcoin centralisation.. while then saying that if people dont respect him, the disrespectful should be treated as clueless abusive choir preachers...

You're conflating different definitions of "authority."

Greg was referring to those with the power to influence others because of their recognized knowledge and expertise. That doesn't imply that such authorities have power or control over the Bitcoin protocol. It just implies that there are knowledgeable experts within the Bitcoin community, just like all other technical fields. Craig Wright regularly lambasts such people in a populist attempt to persuade people towards his arguments.

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Craig Wright regularly lambasts such people in a populist attempt to persuade people towards his arguments.

ill also say the same thing to you
craig wright has never had an original bitcoin independant thought, ever. he just grabs them from other people.
craig wright was never bitcoin involved to any notible high degre. nor worthy of even being treated as a influencer

best to just let him fade away into obscurity and let the courts sort him out and slap him with a wet fish

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I will give him the benefit of the doubt until 2020 because im very generous. He himself put several countdowns on his credibility, including the end of the Tulip Trust thing which has the coins on lock, and the one where he will kill segwit next year. If he doesn't deliver, he just can't hold his act anymore, not even for his biggest fans. His ego is unlimited tho, just like his block size, so he will come up with further excuses.

did you even read the details of the tulip trust.

heres the revelation.
the tulip trust holds only PUBLIC KEYS which were put into a notepad file. and then notorised into a fund.
NO PRIVATE KEYS

as your post above proves he just grabbed random early adoptor keys. again PUBLIC KEYS
the tulip trust has NO PRIVATE KEYS

so no point waiting for 2020.
the tulip trust has been ripped apart as a scam hense why when craig used the tulip trust as collateral. it led to craig getting into alot of trouble with the aussie government after they done their checks.

all craig wright is doing now, because he cannot provide private keys. is to try social drama stuff to get his face on as many media publishings as possible and hope using the media publishing as proof of ID, to then hope to use that as proof of ownership (DUMB-ASS)

until then he is trying lots of tricks to gather funds to hope to ponzi his way out of big trouble (repay the big debts) and try to mitigate trouble by leaving only small holders too afraid to sue him left empty handed.


Well I guess the sarcasm didn't go through in text format. I know there is no Tulip Trust, Wizsec's report is as good as it gets.

The guy was involved on Bitcoin since back in the day, but it's clear he is someone desperate for notoriety, he loves having a big twitter megaphone just like Roger Ver and all these guys.

I was talking about fanbase-wise. He has many fooled with his countdown for the Tulip Trust coin unlock, and he's also put a doomsday counter on segwit and basically Bitcoin as a whole. If he does not deliver, how can he sustain his tweeter fanbase? only the most demented diehard fanboys will hold by then.
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