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February 15, 2019, 11:46:46 AM
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How to connect cryptocurrencies to banks?


Recently, more and more articles and information about cryptocurrency have appeared
on the Internet and in the press.
We are told about its advantages, properties, usability.
Nevertheless, the cryptocurrency is almost never used as a payment.
Banks and payment systems are in no hurry to use cryptocurrency.

Let's see how the banks and the SWIFT system interact:


Used diagram by John Hemminger from the Chelsea AllIson
article: “What is SWIFT?”


It seems that everything is simple, everything is verified, it is possible to carry
out the movement of cryptocurrency.

So why is this not happening?
What prevents cryptocurrency to be used as a means of payment?

When we come to the bank and replenish our account or transfer money using credit cards,
the person verification procedure is carried out.
And it turns out that anonymity, which is considered one of the main advantages of
cryptocurrency, in this case is its disadvantage.
Anonymity becomes an obstacle to legal cash flow.

Let's take a look at the revised scheme:



How do we solve this problem?
In addition, there are many different cryptocurrencies that have their own blockchain.
That is, we need to develop a single algorithm for existing cryptocurrencies.

We define questions to solve our problem:
1. Anonymity.
2. Single algorithm.


- Let's start with the second question.
At this stage of development, it became possible to use cryptocurrency from various
blockchains in the Ethereum network.
To do this, you need to create a wrapped version of the cryptocurrency in the form of "ERC" token.
There are already options such as WETH, WBCH and WBTC.
We see the possibility of bringing cryptocurrency to a single standard.

- First question.
To solve this problem, we used the standard ERC functions of tokens and added a new function
to the smart contract, with which you can sign a transaction or add the necessary information
to it for any existing ERC token with these properties.
That is, we solve the problem of checking the movement of funds by creating a kind of
gateway in the form of a “ZENITH protocol” to solve it.

Now let's take a look at the obtained solution of the tasks in the form of a schematic image:



We have proposed one of the possible options in order to legalize cryptocurrency.

Our smart contract “ZENITH protocol”

WebSite
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February 15, 2019, 12:53:42 PM
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How to connect cryptocurrencies to banks?


Recently, more and more articles and information about cryptocurrency have appeared
on the Internet and in the press.
We are told about its advantages, properties, usability.
Nevertheless, the cryptocurrency is almost never used as a payment.
Banks and payment systems are in no hurry to use cryptocurrency.

Let's see how the banks and the SWIFT system interact:


Used diagram by John Hemminger from the Chelsea AllIson
article: “What is SWIFT?”


It seems that everything is simple, everything is verified, it is possible to carry
out the movement of cryptocurrency.

So why is this not happening?
What prevents cryptocurrency to be used as a means of payment?

When we come to the bank and replenish our account or transfer money using credit cards,
the person verification procedure is carried out.
And it turns out that anonymity, which is considered one of the main advantages of
cryptocurrency, in this case is its disadvantage.
Anonymity becomes an obstacle to legal cash flow.

Let's take a look at the revised scheme:



How do we solve this problem?
In addition, there are many different cryptocurrencies that have their own blockchain.
That is, we need to develop a single algorithm for existing cryptocurrencies.

We define questions to solve our problem:
1. Anonymity.
2. Single algorithm.


- Let's start with the second question.
At this stage of development, it became possible to use cryptocurrency from various
blockchains in the Ethereum network.
To do this, you need to create a wrapped version of the cryptocurrency in the form of "ERC" token.
There are already options such as WETH, WBCH and WBTC.
We see the possibility of bringing cryptocurrency to a single standard.

- First question.
To solve this problem, we used the standard ERC functions of tokens and added a new function
to the smart contract, with which you can sign a transaction or add the necessary information
to it for any existing ERC token with these properties.
That is, we solve the problem of checking the movement of funds by creating a kind of
gateway in the form of a “ZENITH protocol” to solve it.

Now let's take a look at the obtained solution of the tasks in the form of a schematic image:



We have proposed one of the possible options in order to legalize cryptocurrency.

Our smart contract “ZENITH protocol”

Web Site

Thanks

the only way banks ever want to get crypto connected to them is by simply creating their own coin to take goods and services from the economy.

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February 15, 2019, 12:58:45 PM
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the only way banks ever want to get crypto connected to them is by simply creating their own coin to take goods and services from the economy.

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There are already rumors that bitcoins were created by the Bank which I doubt though. You know, rumors are rumors. You do not want to waster your energy there.

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February 15, 2019, 05:49:52 PM
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the only way banks ever want to get crypto connected to them is by simply creating their own coin to take goods and services from the economy.

regards
There are already rumors that bitcoins were created by the Bank which I doubt though. You know, rumors are rumors. You do not want to waster your energy there.

these damn rumors are useless trash, banks researched on IT transfer of encripted money since decades, and improved that technology

banks dont love getting the financial system that made them kings in their state being destroyed before their eyes.

i however am happy that i dont have to argue around with them anymore

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February 16, 2019, 11:14:51 AM
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You don't. It's not going to work. The banking system and cryptocurrencies are contradictive to each other when it comes to the fees, anonymity/privacy, security etc.

It might work in the short term like with debit cards that use crypto etc. but for the long term, It's not helping and will eventually fail.

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February 16, 2019, 11:37:55 AM
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We define questions to solve our problem:
1. Anonymity.
2. Single algorithm.

at1. There is this old saying, "registration is the first step to confiscation"
       The moment we loose anonymity factor, will be our last. There will be nothing that could stop them.
       What was electronically given, can be physically taken away because nothing is secret. We saw just that already.  
at2. No one can force people to leave btc blockchain behind and use some other instead.
       Voluntary switch could happen only if the technology offered, display tremendous improvement (still doubtful)
       in all aspects (look above). Such loop simply can not be broken, sooner delegitimization brings the market down.  

Nevertheless nice post, professionally presented.

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February 18, 2019, 10:24:55 AM
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We define questions to solve our problem:
1. Anonymity.
2. Single algorithm.

at1. There is this old saying, "registration is the first step to confiscation"
       The moment we loose anonymity factor, will be our last. There will be nothing that could stop them.
       What was electronically given, can be physically taken away because nothing is secret. We saw just that already.  
at2. No one can force people to leave btc blockchain behind and use some other instead.
       Voluntary switch could happen only if the technology offered, display tremendous improvement (still doubtful)
       in all aspects (look above). Such loop simply can not be broken, sooner delegitimization brings the market down.

1. Of course, the cryptocurrency anonymity is a great advantage.
But lately we have been witnessing a tightening of tracking cash flows.
And I would not be surprised if in the near future large cryptocurrency exchanges require confirmed cryptocurrency transfers, that is, signed ones.
So I think we will come to this sooner or later.
2. At this stage there is no better alternative for introducing a single standard than Ethereum wrapped tokens.
Perhaps soon we will see other options, but so far this is not.

Of course, such a future is not very pleasant for us.
And yet we must accept what is happening.

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But lately we have been witnessing a tightening of tracking cash flows.
And I would not be surprised if in the near future large cryptocurrency exchanges require confirmed cryptocurrency transfers, that is, signed ones.
So I think we will come to this sooner or later.

Are you saying in the future we'll probably see each time we make a crypto transaction from an exchange we need to sign papers via DocuSign or something like that?

Wow, will it is definitely possible, I doubt users would love that. A better alternative would be to record special words or key in order to make a withdrawal, 2fa and something like that. It's quicker and safer than signing papers.


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February 21, 2019, 11:26:57 PM
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The question should be: who wants this. As a BTC user, I don't. I'm very satisfied with banks and exchanges as they are. My only hope would be to see shops, real brick and mortar stores, buying and selling BTC a bit like silver coins or gold.

I used to be a citizen and a taxpayer. Those days are long gone.
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The question should be: who wants this. As a BTC user, I don't. I'm very satisfied with banks and exchanges as they are. My only hope would be to see shops, real brick and mortar stores, buying and selling BTC a bit like silver coins or gold.
No one is interested in our desires. Therefore, we must prepare for the worst.
And when this future comes, it is better to be ready.

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Isn't it something XRP does? Not a fan of them, just heard.

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The question should be: who wants this. As a BTC user, I don't. I'm very satisfied with banks and exchanges as they are. My only hope would be to see shops, real brick and mortar stores, buying and selling BTC a bit like silver coins or gold.

Banks will exists and will functions as they are meant to be in a traditional way only and if any so their could be new crypto banks in some countries who have made it legalized in their country. Also one should be focusin on how can btc be used in our daily life.
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February 25, 2019, 12:06:31 PM
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I really don't think that you will really solve something here. 3rd party wallets already have ways to convert your cryptocurrencies to cash via bank deposits, e-commerce websites also use payment processors such as Bitpay and Coinbase Commerce to make it possible for your customers to pay in crypto which these payment processors would also handle the conversion of it via bank deposit as well. With the process you have given it will only complicate things for something that is already been solved by a lot of wallet and payment processor services.

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I really don't think that you will really solve something here. 3rd party wallets already have ways to convert your cryptocurrencies to cash via bank deposits, e-commerce websites also use payment processors such as Bitpay and Coinbase Commerce to make it possible for your customers to pay in crypto which these payment processors would also handle the conversion of it via bank deposit as well. With the process you have given it will only complicate things for something that is already been solved by a lot of wallet and payment processor services.

Perhaps, as long as cryptocurrencies are not recognized as a payment
instrument and do not have legal status, this is not required at this stage.
Processing services work with a limited number of cryptocurrencies.
But if we consider an increasingly stringent policy regarding the legal use of
cryptocurrencies, then most likely we will soon come to this.
This same protocol allows you to sign transactions and thereby legally enter
other coins from the Ethereum network.
And here, a single strategy was developed to solve this problem.
The CFTC is also interested in deciding how to use Ethereum and its derivatives
legally as a payment instrument(request, comments):

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<...>
3. How is the developer community currently utilizing the Ethereum Network?
More specifically, what are prominent use cases or examples that demonstrate the functionalities and capabilities of the Ethereum Network?
4. Are there any existing or developing commercial enterprises that are using Ether to power economic transactions?
If so, how is Ether recorded for accounting purposes in a comprehensive set of financial statements?
5. What data sources, analyses, calculations, variables, or other factors could be used to determine Ether's market size, liquidity, trade volume, types of traders, ownership concentration, and/or principal ways in which the Ethereum Network is currently being used by market participants?
<...>
16. What impediments or risks exist to the reliable conversion of Ether to legal tender?
How do these impediments or risks impact regulatory considerations for Commission registrants with respect to participating in any transactions in Ether, including the ability to obtain or demonstrate possession or control or otherwise hold Ether as collateral or on behalf of customers?
17. How would the introduction of derivative contracts on Ether potentially change or modify the incentive structures that underlie a proof of stake consensus model?
18. Given the evolving nature of the Ether cash markets underlying potential Ether derivative contracts, what are the commercial risk management needs for a derivative contract on Ether?
<...>
20. Are there any types of trader or intermediary conduct that has occurred in the international Ether derivative markets that raise market risks or challenges and should be monitored closely by trading venues or regulators?
21. What other factors could impact the Commission's ability to properly oversee or monitor trading in derivative contracts on Ether as well as the underlying Ether cash markets?
<...>

So the "Zenith Protocol" is aimed at solving the legal issue of legalizing
cryptocurrency, which sooner or later will have to be resolved.

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“ZENITH protocol”


“ZENITH Protocol” Smart Contract:

* Main Ethereum Network


* Rinkeby Test Network


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Actually,in the Philippines has bank launch their bitcoin ATM machine and not only in the Philippines, I heard also in europe,Venezuela and soon all over the world..but if the bank have own cryptocoin is much better
Soon we don't need paper money,at the next generation.. Digital money like cryptocurrency is good for the future..
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Actually,in the Philippines has bank launch their bitcoin ATM machine and not only in the Philippines, I heard also in europe,Venezuela and soon all over the world..but if the bank have own cryptocoin is much better
Soon we don't need paper money,at the next generation.. Digital money like cryptocurrency is good for the future..

Yeah, but it's local to the Philippines, that go thing about those Bitcoin ATM in the country is that it is back by one of the largest which is UnionBank so it's a welcoming news. But for other countries a complete handshake is very different because we all know that banks is very afraid of crypto but for me it's a long way to go before we can actually connect crypto to banks. Not impossible but it will take years before both of them will have some sort of agreement.

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“ZENITH protocol”


“ZENITH Protocol” Smart Contract:

* Main Ethereum Network


* Rinkeby Test Network



Is this thread mainly about advertising your ^proposal^ or what?
Anyways, banks and crypto? Seriously?
I've never thought such combination would be possible (at least they won't give crypto the degree of being a currency). Banks are allergic to crypto, they will show that they're supporting but they will accumulate just in order to throw this thing out of the reach of common people, as who would like to lose the pre-dominancy they've gained since ages. The power, the control over a country's finance makes banks very very strong in their genre and they'd never want to lose it to cryptocurrencies.

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March 16, 2019, 02:37:31 AM
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Honestly I don't understand why would you want to do that since the banking system is totally different from cryptocurrencies and they are not going to work well together. Banks are against that since they are constantly launching accusations and threats against bitcoin, and probably also cryptocurrencies users are against that since they moved from banks to cryptocurrencies.
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March 19, 2019, 07:54:28 AM
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Nevertheless, the cryptocurrency is almost never used as a payment.
Banks and payment systems are in no hurry to use cryptocurrency.
Only banks never used cryptocurrency as payment. Because they hate cryptos. People and believers around cryptocurrency are using it to pay for goods and items they want. Some restaurants and institutions are accepting cryptocurrency as payment in exchange for their service and stuffs. Those banks see cryptocurrency as worthless, valueless code that's why they are not believers. Perhaps, they will create their own code or coin and charge how much the clients will pay for the transfer code of that payment with charge. Isn't it the idea?
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