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February 15, 2019, 01:12:10 PM
Merited by suchmoon (4), nutildah (2), SFR10 (1), The Cryptovator (1), bullrun2024bro (1)
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I've seen this thread:

Check out the top cryptocurrency Development Services for Exclusive price ( archive )

When I clicked on the site link: https://www.zabtechnologies.net ( archive )

Profile: @Atheindsha

I saw this:



so I researched these guys and found them here: https://www.coinsclone.com/Cryptocurrency-exchange-software#client ( archive )

Profile: @coinsclone



They are the same people and they said the same things.

I researched more and found this:

http://whois.domaintools.com/zabtechnologies.net

Registry Tech ID: Not Available From Registry
Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Privacy Protect, LLC (PrivacyProtect.org)
Tech Street: 10 Corporate Drive   
Tech City: Burlington
Tech State/Province: MA
Tech Postal Code: 01803
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.8022274003

http://whois.domaintools.com/coinsclone.com

Registry Tech ID: Not Available From Registry
Tech Name: Domain Admin
Tech Organization: Privacy Protect, LLC (PrivacyProtect.org)
Tech Street: 10 Corporate Drive   
Tech City: Burlington
Tech State/Province: MA
Tech Postal Code: 01803
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.8022274003



and has this third site: https://www.uplogictech.com ( archive )


with the same guys:



Registry Admin ID: Not Available From Registry
Admin Name: Shiva Kumar
Admin Organization:
Admin Street: KFC Near, Duraisamy Nagar
Admin City: Madurai
Admin State/Province: Other
Admin Postal Code: 625010
Admin Country: IN
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February 15, 2019, 11:24:22 PM
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Privacy Protect, LLC (PrivacyProtect.org)

The information provided in red is a privacy blocker which some if not all Domain name registrars use to mask who actually own a domain name.

The ones you had in green:

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don't appear to be privacy blocked.

If you are able to right click view a face such as https://archive.fo/5QdLv/9eb290b825a12fa9e3897401c6e9dda170e46736.png then you can just use the image on the website otherwise if you use google or bing you can crop just their individual faces and drop them into their image searches and you will probably find a half dozen LinkedIn accounts with the same profile face for male and female user names.

An example of that process in use can be read here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3920469.msg41736089#msg41736089 (Archive) AFAIK that is the only post that I've received merit from theymos, so I'm pretty pleased with myself. (the two comments two and three posts below mine sum it all up really)

If you find two faces that are similar you can use an online tool such as here: https://betaface.com/demo.html#page-header to compare faces for a potential match.

I get the same information via WhoIs.Com

https://www.whois.com/whois/zabtechnologies.net      (Archive)
https://www.whois.com/whois/coinsclone.com         (Archive)
https://www.whois.com/whois/uplogictech.com      (Archive)

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February 16, 2019, 05:07:24 AM
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Its clear that these 3 website handling by same owner and its for sure these are nothing but a scam trap. These guys used similar comments on each of the website where sentence, photograph is 100% same.

Where they get the help of fraudness on building their website than obviously their main service is nothing but scam IMO


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May 01, 2020, 08:42:34 PM
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Coinsclone hosted a signature campaign **Crypto Exchange Software – Signature Campaign**(Member-Legend Accepted)*Closed today. I accidentally placed my application on their thread, but I immediately withdrawed my application after finding this thread. I don't want to advertise for such a "shady" company - nor should anyone else here on Bitcointalk.

Anyway, a good reminder for me to look twice, before placing an application to a random signature campaign.

Thanks for sharing this information and stay safe everyone.

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Last edit: May 03, 2020, 05:15:44 PM by wwzsocki
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Coinsclone hosted a signature campaign **Crypto Exchange Software – Signature Campaign**(Member-Legend Accepted)*Closed today...I don't want to advertise for such a "shady" company - nor should anyone else here on Bitcointalk...

I see that this bounty thread is already closed. Don't know if they have enough applicants or something else is happening?

I agree that nobody should advertise questionable companies/projects/businesses and for sure before applying to such campaign, every member should do proper research, not only blindly look at the money offered in return for posting.

I found this account which belongs to Coinsclone, but from almost 2 years is not active (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1347625).
We can clearly see that this account advertised Coinsclone.com very aggressive from the beginning in literally every published post.

It is not easy to find detailed info about the company behind this service and it should be easily available information if they indeed are working with so many exchanges around the world.
I wasn't able to find these exchanges which are running on their software either and it should be easy when there are more than 60 of them, as they say.

Even if they provide reliable info about the team and company, still this service is very questionable (at least security-wise) and reviews from established clients who are using this soft are needed to be able to confirm that this is not some sort of scam. Only this thread and what OP found about them is a big red flag and needs further checking for sure.

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May 02, 2020, 02:49:45 PM
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thank you for the warning @OP..  I see quite a lot of participants in their campaigns, from the beginning I was not so sure about the security of the services they offered, we must keep on eye of their projects..

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May 03, 2020, 08:27:12 AM
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I accidentally placed my application on their thread, but I immediately withdrawed my application after finding this thread.
I wish you would've posted or updated your post to inform others about this thread before it got locked but still, thank you for bumping this thread [it got my attention]...
- I should've done more research since I missed finding this thread [on my initial search] before I accepted to be the escrow for its 1st week [after they created the campaign thread].
  • My bad [SMH].
  • Since I can't leave the safety of participants in the air, I have to keep their funds safe [for 1st week] or else I would've returned everything if their current week didn't start yesterday.

I see that this bounty thread is already closed. Don't know if they have enough applicants or something else is happening?
I'm not sure as well about the reason behind them locking the thread but based on their spreadsheet, they now have chosen their 10 participants.

I've informed "SBOSS [their manager]" about this thread. Waiting for him/her to respond...

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May 03, 2020, 08:55:56 AM
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I should've done more research since I missed finding this thread [on my initial search] before I accepted to be the escrow for its 1st week [after they created the campaign thread].
Yeah its true that you should have done more research before giving your escrow service to them but anyone can miss something like this. For now you can keep the fund on your hand until all issues get solved. Coinsclone profile haven't got any negative trust yet and most probably thats the reason why people are not aware about them.

Eagerly waiting to see their campaign manager's explanation here. I wish he will bring some leads which gonna help us to make our final decision about them.


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Hi,
i’m the campaign manager of   **Crypto Exchange Software – Signature Campaign**
I’m writing here in response to SFR10 private message (escrow service provider for the campaign)

I have seen the thread and asked them about it…and they have said it is a same company registered in india. initially coinsclone was started as a product…later they also provided various blockchain development services besides just an exchange product..so they registered zab technologies pvt ltd as seperate firm…

1. I have asked them further proofs for whether they are same company
2. asked them proof about the product and proof of real delivery of their services to clients.
3. asked to talk with someone via skype explaining this, than just messages.

I will update the status of these things in few hours.

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Hi,
i’m the campaign manager of   **Crypto Exchange Software – Signature Campaign**

just out of curiosity, coinsclone is not very active here on the forum and you are also not very active here on the forum, how did coinsclone contact you? or do you know each other in the real world?

I have seen the thread and asked them about it…and they have said it is a same company registered in india. initially coinsclone was started as a product…later they also provided various blockchain development services besides just an exchange product..so they registered zab technologies pvt ltd as seperate firm…

https://www.zabtechnologies.net

https://www.uplogictech.com

coinsclone.com

the 3 sites have 3 people with the same testimony, and you are saying that the site zabtechnologies Is coinsclone property and about the site uplogictech.com?


1. I have asked them further proofs for whether they are same company
2. asked them proof about the product and proof of real delivery of their services to clients.
3. asked to talk with someone via skype explaining this, than just messages.

I will update the status of these things in few hours.

Thank you!!

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I had applied for this project campaign and got accepted. But I would be removing my signature on til they can be able to clear the air about this. I also suggest the manager should try to reach the other campaign participants and make them know about this.
And the manager should put hold on the campaign for now to further stop the spread until everything is clear.


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May 03, 2020, 10:08:24 PM
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just out of curiosity, coinsclone is not very active here on the forum and you are also not very active here on the forum, how did coinsclone contact you? or do you know each other in the real world?
It's what i was wondering about too and this post has been here for a long time, and yet they never even bothered to respond and tell us what was on ground. Then all of a sudden, they want to promote themselves here. This kind of behaviors is mostly shown by untrustworthy and shady  services

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I will update the status of these things in few hours.



I had applied for this project campaign and got accepted.

man, being honest this is the most irritating thing, being accepted in some campaign is already an extremely difficult and just task when the person Is accepted happens this, I saw their thread, but as I had some problems I ended up forgetting to warn people who were participating in the campaign

But I would be removing my signature on til they can be able to clear the air about this.

I wonder if this matter can be clarified

I also suggest the manager should try to reach the other campaign participants and make them know about this.

The thread is locked, I wonder if that is a transparent way of doing things

And the manager should put hold on the campaign for now to further stop the spread until everything is clear.

I believe it is better to wait for the participants to receive their money and then he can interrupt the campaign if necessary







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May 06, 2020, 12:05:13 PM
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On Tuesday 5th may 2020, i had a video call with one of their management guys…

He explained:

1. showed proof and legal registrations of all two companies zabtechnologies & uplogictech…coinsclone is a product & property of zabtechnologies.

2. he showed me 4 real exchange software projects that are live now…and 2 of them have close to 30k real traders and explained that their software is a MVP and can be scaled depending on the needs of their customers by changing the site architecture and load balanced server configs.

3. he also mentioned that, this is brought to his attention only now by me…as usually marketing guys handle their promotional activities.



This is his official statement and he wanted me post this as he doesn't have direct contact information of the thread owner/starter.


* the thread “Beware of these 2 projects [zabtechnologies.net and coinsclone.com]” is started by “Slow death” [Hero Member]

* and it is brought to our attention by a campaign manager “sboss”

* we have explained and shown real proofs to the campaign manager.

* we are also willing to have a call with the member named “slow death” and we will show all the proofs necessary that he asks. (slow death is expected to share his contact info via a pm to campaign manager who will arrange this call)

* we are also willing to have our real clients who are using our software talk to him to have clear this issue.


Also note:
1. just because you have found same testimonials on 3 sites doesn’t mean they are scam. we also understand that it is your nature of job to find these types of discrepancies and show it on the forum to earn merits and improve your position on the forum. but make sure you do not falsely accuse people.

2. if you have ever ran a company, you would know that it is not uncommon for a group of companies to have same management team and that doesn’t mean it is scam.

3. if you want to talk about the quality of the software, we want to see whether you are a qualified enough developer to test and give feedback on the scalability and security of the product (otherwise do not misinform people)  if not we can arrange for an independent audit via a consultant and share the report to the officials in that forum or the moderator.

4. calling us scam or questionable is very offensive, as we do not have any negative trust ratings and this thread is not open by one of our client who has proper proof and thinks like this. but is open by a member without any due diligence.

5. as is it important to report anything suspicious and scammy, it is also quite important that you do not report someone who is authentic and can disprove the claims..but after that what is the consequences for misinforming lot’s of people without proper research...nothing...this is the type of throw under bus / trolling mentality that makes reading anything in Internet fake.

6. we also advice member named “slow death” to contact us immediately and explain his claims and what are the proofs he have to justify that we are a scam, if his opinions after we showcase the proofs changes, we suggest him to apologise about spreading false claims and then take down the thread.

7. if he doesn’t apologise and/or take this thread down, due to the damage done in destroying the reputation of our company by sharing false information, we would press charges.

8. we would gladly respond to any moderator or admin or official of this website and explain further, therefore we suggest them to take this type of misinforming thread down.

9. we apologise that this is taken to our attention only now and we will take appropriate action against our marketing guys who knows that this sort of thread exists.

10. we also understand that even after this statement, people find the desire to comment random stuff about this..but it is fine. if a moderator or any official contact us, we will respond with proper proof. or otherwise ban us from your website. but do not share fake information about us.

thanks!!!

[End of Statement]




Regarding the signature campaign, it will continue till this week, bcas already people participated and posted and i want to properly pay the members who have done the work.

This campaign is also planned for upcoming weeks, but for next week - i’ll hold this campaign and will not run, until slow death and the company have a call and finalise their decisions.


just out of curiosity, coinsclone is not very active here on the forum and you are also not very active here on the forum, how did coinsclone contact you? or do you know each other in the real world?
one of their sales guys contacted me via an outside website…i also do digital marketing.

I had applied for this project campaign and got accepted. But I would be removing my signature on til they can be able to clear the air about this.
no problem BIT-BENDER. i have removed you from campaign and will let u know when this is sorted out via a pm.


Any upcoming informations reg. this matter i’ll share here.


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He explained:

1. showed proof and legal registrations of all two companies zabtechnologies & uplogictech…coinsclone is a product & property of zabtechnologies.

if he said that then everything is cleared up, however I must correct these shit that he wrote and irritated me a lot:

Also note:
1. just because you have found same testimonials on 3 sites doesn’t mean they are scam.

and where did I write that they were scam, where is this written? show me. "Beware" Is the same as "scam"?

we also understand that it is your nature of job to find these types of discrepancies and show it on the forum to earn merits and improve your position on the forum. but make sure you do not falsely accuse people.



these rubbish coinsclone managed to irritate me. for people who are not active here on the forum as they know about:

- merits?

- that there are people who are looking for scam sites to earn merits (I confess that I didn't know about this practice, but they who are not active here on the forum managed to observe this)

2. if you have ever ran a company, you would know that it is not uncommon for a group of companies to have same management team and that doesn’t mean it is scam.

you shit, I have transport business in my country, you really crossed the line and I will lose education with you, don't be thinking that you have some company of billions of dollars to be arrogant, I will ask the same question again: where did i write "scam"?

3. if you want to talk about the quality of the software, we want to see whether you are a qualified enough developer to test and give feedback on the scalability and security of the product (otherwise do not misinform people)  if not we can arrange for an independent audit via a consultant and share the report to the officials in that forum or the moderator.

you seem to have been misinformed or have serious mental problems (god, I feel sorry for anyone who requests your services), where I questioned your software? did you at least read this thread to see what it was about?

4. calling us scam or questionable is very offensive, as we do not have any negative trust ratings and this thread is not open by one of our client who has proper proof and thinks like this. but is open by a member without any due diligence.

here I convince myself that you have serious mental problems, do you at least know that this is a reputation section and that there is a scam accusation section on this forum? if i were to accuse your service of being a scam, i would have opened a thread in the scam accusation section

5. as is it important to report anything suspicious and scammy, it is also quite important that you do not report someone who is authentic and can disprove the claims..but after that what is the consequences for misinforming lot’s of people without proper research...nothing...this is the type of throw under bus / trolling mentality that makes reading anything in Internet fake.

dude you are really overcome, really i'm wondering how is it possible for someone to overcome like that, what did you smoke when you wrote this?

6. we also advice member named “slow death” to contact us immediately and explain his claims and what are the proofs he have to justify that we are a scam, if his opinions after we showcase the proofs changes, we suggest him to apologise about spreading false claims and then take down the thread.



I had to read this passage many times because it made me laugh a lot and I needed to laugh a lot to relieve stress. With that then the owners of the coinsclone think they are gods or some authority with great powers, we are on planet earth where there are laws and authorities with powers to enforce those laws. you shit don't have the power to give me orders, stop being stupid and act like a normal person and I ask again: where did i write: "scam"?

7. if he doesn’t apologise and/or take this thread down, due to the damage done in destroying the reputation of our company by sharing false information, we would press charges.

I died laughing



seriously, what did you smoke when you were writing this? read the thread you shit, can't you read and understand the thread?

where did i post false information? you just said that the 3 sites are yours, so where is false information?

8. we would gladly respond to any moderator or admin or official of this website and explain further, therefore we suggest them to take this type of misinforming thread down.

I feel sorry for the moderators and the administrator, if they don't have a very strong drink before they talk to you they will be lost

9. we apologise that this is taken to our attention only now and we will take appropriate action against our marketing guys who knows that this sort of thread exists.

  Grin

Anyone else got the joke?

10. we also understand that even after this statement, people find the desire to comment random stuff about this..but it is fine. if a moderator or any official contact us, we will respond with proper proof. or otherwise ban us from your website. but do not share fake information about us.

is it really that we are speaking the same language?


* we are also willing to have a call with the member named “slow death” and we will show all the proofs necessary that he asks. (slow death is expected to share his contact info via a pm to campaign manager who will arrange this call)

I already laughed a lot and I need to preserve my health, it won't do me good to laugh a lot again, that's why I won't give my contact

[End of Statement]



This campaign is also planned for upcoming weeks, but for next week - i’ll hold this campaign and will not run, until slow death and the company have a call and finalise their decisions.

the title of that thread is: "Beware of these 2 projects [ zabtechnologies.net and coinsclone.com ]" and coinsclone already said that all sites are theirs, so where is the problem? I think everything is solved!


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So, how about we focus on more important and way more simple things

One of your happy customers:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190215121737/https://www.zabtechnologies.net/

Called Fernando, on his actual name Fernando Vieira and with his uncropped picture:


Fernando Vieira, M.D., CSO
The ALS Therapy Development Institute
https://www.als.net/about-als-tdi/als-tdi-team/

Is he really one of your clients for "his business"?


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May 07, 2020, 09:17:24 AM
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You talk the talk...but do not walk the walk. Cheesy

I already laughed a lot and I need to preserve my health, it won't do me good to laugh a lot again, that's why I won't give my contact
reply to my PM, so that i can setup a call...


and where did I write that they were scam, where is this written? show me. "Beware" Is the same as "scam"?
everyone understand you words..not mentioning scam. but all thread readers are influenced by what you started. check the posts below ur initial one...everyone calling scam and so on.
this thread is brought to my attention by SFR10 (my escrow service provider). when i saw this, i also thought they are scam and aggressively approached them for valid proofs so that i can continue the campaign or i'll stop.
maybe this is the reason they want to address this..in their statement.


so where is the problem? I think everything is solved!
LOL...i couldn’t believe, u immediately said everything is fine and solved. then why do you still have this thread open? lock it or delete it..



i'm not going to continue doing this shit and also not going to convey back and forth for these types of idiots.

What a waste of my time!!!

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You talk the talk...but do not walk the walk. Cheesy

 Huh


reply to my PM, so that i can setup a call...

this is a joke right? if they have anything to say they speak here in this thread

everyone understand you words..not mentioning scam. but all thread readers are influenced by what you started. check the posts below ur initial one...everyone calling scam and so on.

explain to me how it would be my fault? I don't have superpowers to hypnotize people and make them post things

this thread is brought to my attention by SFR10 (my escrow service provider). when i saw this, i also thought they are scam and aggressively approached them for valid proofs so that i can continue the campaign or i'll stop.
maybe this is the reason they want to address this..in their statement.

as I said: I am not responsible for what other people write  Grin


LOL...i couldn’t believe, u immediately said everything is fine and solved.

yes, you already said that the 3 sites are from the same person

then why do you still have this thread open? lock it or delete it..

delete? just now that everything is becoming very interesting? no way

i'm not going to continue doing this shit and also not going to convey back and forth for these types of idiots.

 Grin

What a waste of my time!!!

 Grin

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