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January 21, 2015, 02:48:23 PM
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sorry, I've updated the link in the original post so it should work now.
I'll change it from a dropbox link sometime soon so hopefully it won't disappear again.
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January 21, 2015, 02:49:09 PM
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sorry, I've updated the link in the original post so it should work now.
I'll change it from a dropbox link sometime soon so hopefully it won't disappear again.

Ok, thanx.
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January 23, 2015, 11:07:50 AM
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Sometimes people want the ability to tell which k of n signed (for accountability purposes, if k < n) and there a multisig has additional functionality that schnorr (or other) mulitparty sigs dont.

I did also mention on twitter another idea to use schnorr to make a compact multisg.  The idea is  to have enough different keys per signer to make it unambiguous which k signed, and commit the public key sums for the needed permutations in a merkle tree.  Then to sign reveal the path to the public key sum used and a multiparty sig with that (via the usual schnorr method).

It seems that Micali et al thought of this idea before see http://www.cs.bu.edu/~reyzin/multisig.html though the numbers sound better for them as they're assuming prime fields not EC where a hash of a public key is a smaller ratio than in EC.

I expect it wouldnt be too useful to use the bootstap method I mentioned earlier because the subset doing the bootstrapping know everyone elses keys and so could impersonate them for accountability purposes.  So you do need an enrollment process which does not involve third parties knowing parties private keys!

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January 23, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
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http://point-at-infinity.org/ssss/

Perhaps Shamir's secret sharing scheme may work to do a m-of-n where m<n for a transaction where you want majority of votes.

Situation:

someone makes a bitcoin address with priv key K
he then proceeds to use SSSS in m-of-n scheme with the private key;
then since you'll need m keys to get the priv key K to spend any funds sent to the bitcoin address.

Problems that arise from this solution:

any not known vulnerability of SSSS
trust is spread at the agent that generated the priv key K

this would really be like a bruteforce, perhaps anyone can find this ideas useful or the SSSS;

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There seem to be a few possible different approaches to using threshold schemes with bitcoin.

1) Multiparty threshold signatures which are built in to the bitcoin protocol such as P2SH.

2) Threshold signature schemes based on the signature algorithms such as the Schnorr scheme (if Schnorr, hopefully, becomes a part of the bitcoin protocol) and the ECDSA scheme (link in post #8).

3) Secret sharing schemes - the private key is the shared secret.

 (this is just the way I prefer to categorise them)

 The first two methods enable signers above a certain threshold to produce a signature for a transaction.
 
 The secret sharing schemes allow participants above a certain threshold to create the private key.

 In most secret sharing schemes such as the original Shamir scheme there is a dealer who knows the secret and deals out the shares to the participants but there are methods that have no dealer (nobody knows the secret until it is actually reconstructed by enough participants). Clearly having a dealer who knows the ‘secret’ private key is not a good method for bitcoin but if it is a type of no dealer scheme then I think there are situations where there might be reasons for this approach.

 I believe it is very difficult to perform most secure multi-party computations without the participants having direct communication with each other which makes it much more difficult as more participants are introduced.

 As adam3us pointed out the bitcoin multi-sig may have additional functionality in cases where we want to identify signers. However another multi party signature scheme based around the signature algorithm might be more desirable for some other application. Say, for example, if you wanted to design some type of linkable ring signature.
 I suppose that each method must be considered according to it’s application.
 
 In reality nearly all current applications will use the the bitcoin P2SH threshold (multi-sig) method but we have, incidentally, just built a django web app for negotiating the terms of a 2 of 3 escrow type contracts and incorporated a different threshold scheme. For various reasons particular to the simple (2 of 3 escrow) web application we are trying to implement we don’t currently use the signature schemes but use a type of 'shared secret' private key.
 I’ll post the protocol in a separate thread for comments/questions.
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April 17, 2020, 04:57:43 AM
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I could not find OP's original PDF document.

(All links expired, not found on web archive either)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zaxkh0uy7zgavm1/2%20of%202%20ECDSA.pdf
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbvj4awssn5k59n/2%20of%202%20ECDSA.pdf

Does anyone still have the original PDF for upload?
I just want to know contents of the document, so summary is also welcome.
Thanks in advance.
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April 18, 2020, 09:13:59 PM
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I am studying ECDSA 2 over RSA and run into this topic it seems the link provided is not found anymore

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