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February 17, 2019, 05:50:44 PM
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I agree, even though AFAIK there's sub-reddit option to remove downvote option.

There isn't, some subreddits just use CSS to hide the downvote button, which is stupid because it advantages the people who "break the rules" by turning off custom CSS so that they can downvote people.

Reddit, like all popular social media, sucks for real discussion. It strongly promotes a groupthink/bubble mentality, and furthermore people/organizations are constantly manipulating the system in order to fabricate a "groupthink". But people find it easy and satisfying to use, so they use it.

Using Machine Learning to detect spam sounds good even though it's expensive

Current machine learning tech is OK at answering questions like "does this <specific thing> contain <specific something>". So it's OK at detecting clear-cut things like spam and obscenity (though dealing with an intelligent adversary makes the task much more difficult), but it's nowhere near being able to answer more abstract questions like "is this post off-topic?". This is why Twitter & friends keep failing to reliably detect things like "hate speech", since that's too abstract a concept for current ML tech.

I don't think that the hardware costs would be particularly expensive for any plausible bitcointalk.org usage of ML, but I don't think that it's worthwhile currently. Maybe if there was a massive influx of blatant spam. When you hear about big companies pouring tons of money into machine learning, I think that's almost entirely them trying to make the tech less terrible by hiring either ML experts or people who help produce training data.

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February 17, 2019, 06:41:02 PM
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Can some of you guys start some profound threads in Ivory Tower. At the moment the top 4 threads were started by me, and I haven't bumped them. It's a bit embarrassing really.

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IMO the meat grinder of scams and trust conflicts has been a large source of these issues. I know a lot of really good people this community could have used that just bailed because they got tired of being at the mercy of bored little OCD children with police hats running around often inventing crimes where there was none, punishing rivals, selectively enforcing, and just general childish control seeking behavior. If you have a community where some idiot can take your ability to trade on a whim, that doesn't exactly foster an environment people want to dedicate much time to, and just breeds general contempt.


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February 18, 2019, 03:24:08 AM
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As I promised yesterday, I made some quick descriptive analysis today.

Notes:
It's not exact intra-month registered accounts over years due to days on which theymos scrapped data.
However, we can assumed those figures are for intra-month data.



ABSTRACT
(1) 50% of observed months have intra-month registered account range from 2311 to 27790 (the interquartile range);
(2) 50% of observed months have intra-month registered account above or below 10432 (the median);
(3) The intra-month registered account fell 91.6% from its all time high in 2017 at 238400 to 20046; whilst the bitcoin decreased nearly 83.9%.
(4) The demotion on Junior Members in September 2018 probably caused intra-month registered accounts fell considerbaly later months.
(5) The difference in means of before and after periods (cut-off timepoint is Sept. 2018) is -63.6%.


Time-series plot

I don't know where I snapshotted the image, due to lack of thread's author, LOL. Still found it and will post link of the thread later (if I can find it). If you can help, please help me to find the thread.
I actually spent around 15 minutes or more to check back the first 80 pages of Merit & new rank requirements topic. 80 pages made within 3 days after the start of merit system, most of them are pyramid quotes. Honestly, my fingers got hurted due to over-scrolling computer mouse, so I gave up for now. Wholy shit, pyramid quotes!
Scanning pages again, still not found on page #130.  Roll Eyes

Someone else's thread similiarly describes what the time-series plot above shown.  Grin

As the chart shown, total monthly registered accounts in recent months dropped dramatically to the median and mean of the year 2015.
I believe that it is right time to say "Thanks theymos, merit system works and actually effective control spammers!"


Basic statistics:
- Mean +/- standard deviation: 22200 +/- 34774
- Median (interquartile range): 10432 (2311 - 27790)
- Min - max: 3 - 238433.

Interquartile range (from p25 to p75 in raw result table)
Data interpretation:
- 50% of observed total monthly registered accounts (just assumed the dataset is for exactly monthly data) ranges from 2311 to 27790 (the interquartile range);
- 50% of observed months have total registered accounts above 10432 (the median), whilst the rest 50% of months have figures below 10432.

Code:
. tabstat regacc, s(n mean sd p50 p25 p75 min max) c(s)

    variable |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      regacc |       112  22199.58  34773.29     10432    2310.5     27790         3    238433
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Data source was dumped by theymos there:
We're at a local minimum, but registrations jump around a lot:
Code:
+---------------------+---------------+
| 30day starting      | registrations |
+---------------------+---------------+
| 2009-11-02 00:00:00 |             3 |
| 2009-12-02 00:00:00 |             8 |
| 2010-01-01 00:00:00 |             8 |
| 2010-01-31 00:00:00 |            22 |
| 2010-03-02 00:00:00 |             5 |
| 2010-04-01 00:00:00 |            22 |
| 2010-05-01 00:00:00 |            15 |
| 2010-05-31 00:00:00 |            33 |
| 2010-06-30 00:00:00 |           325 |
| 2010-07-30 00:00:00 |           159 |
| 2010-08-29 00:00:00 |           148 |
| 2010-09-28 00:00:00 |           190 |
| 2010-10-28 00:00:00 |           204 |
| 2010-11-27 00:00:00 |           383 |
| 2010-12-27 00:00:00 |           384 |
| 2011-01-26 00:00:00 |           938 |
| 2011-02-25 00:00:00 |          2202 |
| 2011-03-27 00:00:00 |          2737 |
| 2011-04-26 00:00:00 |          4936 |
| 2011-05-26 00:00:00 |         14048 |
| 2011-06-25 00:00:00 |          6250 |
| 2011-07-25 00:00:00 |          3903 |
| 2011-08-24 00:00:00 |          2938 |
| 2011-09-23 00:00:00 |          1983 |
| 2011-10-23 00:00:00 |          1965 |
| 2011-11-22 00:00:00 |          1835 |
| 2011-12-22 00:00:00 |          1812 |
| 2012-01-21 00:00:00 |          2082 |
| 2012-02-20 00:00:00 |          1901 |
| 2012-03-21 00:00:00 |          2158 |
| 2012-04-20 00:00:00 |          1969 |
| 2012-05-20 00:00:00 |          2057 |
| 2012-06-19 00:00:00 |          2040 |
| 2012-07-19 00:00:00 |          2145 |
| 2012-08-18 00:00:00 |          2419 |
| 2012-09-17 00:00:00 |          2661 |
| 2012-10-17 00:00:00 |          2958 |
| 2012-11-16 00:00:00 |          2763 |
| 2012-12-16 00:00:00 |          2611 |
| 2013-01-15 00:00:00 |          3320 |
| 2013-02-14 00:00:00 |          4933 |
| 2013-03-16 00:00:00 |         13816 |
| 2013-04-15 00:00:00 |         18162 |
| 2013-05-15 00:00:00 |         11318 |
| 2013-06-14 00:00:00 |          8095 |
| 2013-07-14 00:00:00 |          6703 |
| 2013-08-13 00:00:00 |          5505 |
| 2013-09-12 00:00:00 |          4137 |
| 2013-10-12 00:00:00 |          5632 |
| 2013-11-11 00:00:00 |         26804 |
| 2013-12-11 00:00:00 |         28776 |
| 2014-01-10 00:00:00 |         29576 |
| 2014-02-09 00:00:00 |         29839 |
| 2014-03-11 00:00:00 |         22534 |
| 2014-04-10 00:00:00 |         18065 |
| 2014-05-10 00:00:00 |         13071 |
| 2014-06-09 00:00:00 |         12180 |
| 2014-07-09 00:00:00 |         10561 |
| 2014-08-08 00:00:00 |         10925 |
| 2014-09-07 00:00:00 |          9418 |
| 2014-10-07 00:00:00 |          8218 |
| 2014-11-06 00:00:00 |          7974 |
| 2014-12-06 00:00:00 |          8136 |
| 2015-01-05 00:00:00 |         23256 |
| 2015-02-04 00:00:00 |         36913 |
| 2015-03-06 00:00:00 |         33500 |
| 2015-04-05 00:00:00 |          8450 |
| 2015-05-05 00:00:00 |          8577 |
| 2015-06-04 00:00:00 |         10303 |
| 2015-07-04 00:00:00 |         11773 |
| 2015-08-03 00:00:00 |          9725 |
| 2015-09-02 00:00:00 |          7644 |
| 2015-10-02 00:00:00 |         68601 |
| 2015-11-01 00:00:00 |         44059 |
| 2015-12-01 00:00:00 |         39244 |
| 2015-12-31 00:00:00 |         37106 |
| 2016-01-30 00:00:00 |         42233 |
| 2016-02-29 00:00:00 |         24213 |
| 2016-03-30 00:00:00 |         19336 |
| 2016-04-29 00:00:00 |         16031 |
| 2016-05-29 00:00:00 |         19935 |
| 2016-06-28 00:00:00 |         12582 |
| 2016-07-28 00:00:00 |         10646 |
| 2016-08-27 00:00:00 |          9986 |
| 2016-09-26 00:00:00 |          9844 |
| 2016-10-26 00:00:00 |         10718 |
| 2016-11-25 00:00:00 |         10691 |
| 2016-12-25 00:00:00 |         12429 |
| 2017-01-24 00:00:00 |         13664 |
| 2017-02-23 00:00:00 |         13893 |
| 2017-03-25 00:00:00 |         15276 |
| 2017-04-24 00:00:00 |         20585 |
| 2017-05-24 00:00:00 |         31381 |
| 2017-06-23 00:00:00 |         35866 |
| 2017-07-23 00:00:00 |         40726 |
| 2017-08-22 00:00:00 |         45026 |
| 2017-09-21 00:00:00 |         70477 |
| 2017-10-21 00:00:00 |         95568 |
| 2017-11-20 00:00:00 |        144762 |
| 2017-12-20 00:00:00 |        238433 |
| 2018-01-19 00:00:00 |        136872 |
| 2018-02-18 00:00:00 |        107237 |
| 2018-03-20 00:00:00 |         87087 |
| 2018-04-19 00:00:00 |         89659 |
| 2018-05-19 00:00:00 |         83999 |
| 2018-06-18 00:00:00 |         72430 |
| 2018-07-18 00:00:00 |         61360 |
| 2018-08-17 00:00:00 |         43451 |
| 2018-09-16 00:00:00 |         43516 |
| 2018-10-16 00:00:00 |         35335 |
| 2018-11-15 00:00:00 |         31502 |
| 2018-12-15 00:00:00 |         20733 |
| 2019-01-14 00:00:00 |         20046 |
| 2019-02-13 00:00:00 |          2763 | [PARTIAL PERIOD]
+---------------------+---------------+



Statistics over years
In both medians and means, the year of 2018 has been the highest year with its median and mean of monthly registered accounts are 66895 and 64782, respectively.

- The median means that 50% of months in 2018 have total registered accounts above 66895 or below 66895.
- The interquartile range for 2018 is 38393 to 88373. It means 50% of months in 2018 have figures in range from 38393 to 88373.
I always use median and interquartile range for descriptive statistics because they automatically exclude effects of outliers data points.

Code:
. tabstat regacc year10 year11 year12 year13 year14 year15 year16 year17 year18, ///
>         s(n mean sd p50 p25 p75 min max) c(s)

    variable |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      regacc |       112  22199.58  34773.29     10432    2310.5     27790         3    238433
      year10 |        13       146  144.3185       148        22       204         5       384
      year11 |        12  3795.583  3560.192    2469.5      1900    4419.5       938     14048
      year12 |        12  2313.667    353.35    2151.5    2048.5      2636      1901      2958
      year13 |        12  11433.42   8798.91      7399      5219     15989      3320     28776
      year14 |        12  15041.42  8092.689   11552.5      8818   20299.5      7974     29839
      year15 |        12  24992.25  19299.52   17514.5      9151   37009.5      7644     68601
      year16 |        12  16553.67  9350.784   12505.5   10668.5   19635.5      9844     42233
      year17 |        12  63804.75  67452.29     38296   17930.5   83022.5     13664    238433
      year18 |        12  67431.75  34995.66     66895     38393     88373     20733    136872
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Percent changes of intra-month registered account:
The figures decreased 91.6% when bitcoin fell 83.9%.
It gives us a potential causal inference that implementation of merit system and new rank requirements have bigger effects than the falls of bitcoin.
One more finding, the intra-month figures after September of 2018 (Junior Member demotions) fell significantly than the before period. I think it make sense.

Detail calculation presented below.
Code:
* BTC price
. di (19800-3190)*100/19800
83.888889
* Intra-month registered accounts
. di (238400-20046)*100/238400
91.591443

The means of before and after Sept. 2018 are 80179 and 29190 (respectively)
The percent of difference is 63.6%
Code:
. tabstat before after, s(n mean sd p50 p25 p75 min max) c(s)

    variable |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      before |         9     80179  30633.52     83999     61360     89659     41451    136872
       after |         3     29190  7570.575     31502     20733     35335     20733     35335
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Code:
. di (80179-29190)*100/80179
63.593959




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Bitcointalk was something that helped get Bitcoin off the ground and sparked adoption from near zero levels. While Bitcoin was very new, most people involved in Bitcoin (and the forum) largely valued their privacy/anonymity and had high levels of technical expertise. Companies had a fairly small customer base and as such did not need to communicate with customers as efficiently as possible.

Today, many Bitcoin (and crypto) users have much less technical expertise and value privacy less. Being that Facebook, Twitter and reddit are already used by many, newer Bitcoin users are likely to already have accounts on these platforms, and as such, to interact with others in regards to crypto. With bitcointalk not being very good to communicate with customers efficiently, companies will not push their customers onto bitcointalk to communicate, but rather to platforms such as FB, telegram and zendesk.

Having many people labeled as scammers by people who are not held accountable, and are labeled as scammers for arbitrary reasons, often unrelated to being a scammer is not helping anything.

If bitcointalk is going to grow, there will need to be better tools for companies to interact with customers. One solution might be to allow multiple people access a single PM inbox without having to share a single password. For example, "cryptostore" might have their customer send a PM with a problem, one employee might respond, and when the customer responds, a different employee could respond. This could be done by allowing multiple login credentials to access a single account, with different access levels (such as the ability to post, send PMs, and add/revoke access to either of these). The "mother" account could be a premium (paid) account and PM limits to these types of accounts could be lifted.

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It is difficult to find good topics and good discussions in the forum. Social Networks seeks to offer something that will grab the user's attention within the first two minutes of their visit.

They do this by using algorithms that expose what the supposed user will most like to see or read. Many people complain, say they prefer chronological order or something close to it. But this works. In Reddit, the function of downvote and upvote serves to offer you what is more popular and that you would probably like to see.

Social networks work by turning your visit into an addiction. And they do this by creating a sense of urgency. You need to comment or share that immediately. Also, in cases like Twitter, when you're an influencer, you're always on some kind of stage. It's not a discussion. This for people who work with their image, whether they are speakers or members of important companies, is much more rewarding than participating in a forum.

The forum is the opposite of all this. It is a place that allows continuous discussions, which can be extended for years, in a single topic. It is a place where the moment is not as important as in a chat room.

But if there is a will to attract more users, it need to be simpler for the person, who does not participate in the forum with some frequency, to be able to find good topics and good discussions. Perhaps an "all" or "popular" section where a list with no more than 30 topics would be organized using some algorithm. Gathering topics from all over the forum. Of course, this could attract spammers to those topics, but that's another problem that also needs to be solved.
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February 18, 2019, 06:27:58 AM
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I'd like to see Bitcoin Talk regain its position as a significant contributor to the growth and acceptance of Bitcoin. What can I/we do to achieve this?
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February 18, 2019, 07:50:06 AM
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I found the video interesting, although it includes a number of items with which I would disagree. It includes a reference to Reddit, but no mention of Bitcoin Talk - the forum that started the Bitcoin revolution.

Here's the catch, reddit and other social media needs publicity that's why they get mentioned in bitcoin related video as the video you saw above did. Bitcointalk doesn't need a promotional helps from those video because it promote itself. If I'm not mistaking, BT has over 2million+ registered account and they got that without a single advertisement. Any new investor/user interested in bitcoin will end up hearing about bitcointalk one way or the other that, this was the forum everything started from. Therefore i think the forum is doing good although there's some wisdom for improvement, lets leave others medias to enjoy the spotlight while we focus on maximising the potentials of BTC

Bitcointalk is already holding her position as the major contributor (as the growth ground for bitcoin) what else are we asking from the platform, she is doing great the way she is. That's just the fact.

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February 18, 2019, 08:42:09 AM
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They do this by using algorithms that expose what the supposed user will most like to see or read.

That is probably why I don't like them. I like controversial opinion, and novel ideas. I don't want to read a load of post by the sheep agreeing with the unicorns that are leading them into slavery.

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February 18, 2019, 08:49:15 AM
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The driving message on BT today is price, bear run, bull runs, smart contract, ICO and the like. Hardly you see participation in serious discussion, Technical development, project development. If you can find a way to attract more members to these sections of the BT, it will reshape the mindset of members away from looking for monetary gains only.

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February 18, 2019, 10:27:51 AM
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I agree with your comment about the driving forces, but I'm not sure that they are the most important factors for the future.  Things like the rise of the cashless society, the transfer of wealth, and the fake banking crypto-currencies are the things that really matter for long term economic survival. It's really difficult to discuss these topics, as most people are obsessed with the technical analysis of past trends and events, and we are moving into a completely new economic environment now.

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February 18, 2019, 12:02:00 PM
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I agree with what mprep said, all the forums I used to visit on the internet are dead or extremely inactive.  Everyone has moved over to reddit, there is a category for everything on reddit.  It is much easier to just create one reddit account and discuss anything you like.
I am certain that the forums you used before has no source of income on the site. If you compare bitcointalk to any forums there is a big difference on them as we're like a land full of oil(Altcoin sections).

You can't compare reddit to bitcointalk because
Reddit = More users because of wide selection/category of sub-reddits. For entertainment/informations
Bitcointalk = More users because there is a source of income(ICOs)

Try to move Altcoin section on other forum site and you will see a sudden amount of inactive users moving to the new forum that the altcoin transferred to.

If you are going to look at it, all the services we have on the forum is somewhat related to coin projects
Escrow services = huge amount of funds being escrowed is thru signature campaigns, bounty, ICO funds.
Design = Most of the designs are related to ANN thread, ICO visual site designs, ICO banners, ICO logos
Development = development about coin creation, website creation
Campaign manager = most of campaign managers source of income is about managing ICO signatures, bounties

We can't deny that around 70%(my estimate based on user engagements around Altcoin section) of users are here because of Altcoin section that bitcointalk has.

I also admit that aside from being in support to bitcoin I am also in to the jobs that is available around the forum.

sorry if my English is not that good.

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February 18, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
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How to turn back the forum to the community ?
Remove the things that people can abuse: Trust score, Merit.
Provide easy access to the newbies (post and send pm's without restriction count per day).
Make the access to the community more easy to everyone, not only to the old members.
Remove from your brain claims such as suchmoon's "guilty until proven otherwise" because in the real world it is otherwise.
Do not let group of 20 people "DT" to ruin people profiles, jobs, time spend on this forum based on their own drug addicted opinions.
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February 18, 2019, 12:35:55 PM
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I am certain that the forums you used before has no source of income on the site.

All forums where I have been an active member have provided me with a means to gain an income. There is one exception, and that is a private hosting forum, but even that has a public board where I can display a signature. That forum has a very low activity though.

The best quality forums seem to be those where members' rewards are related to their post quality. For example, signatures that contain affiliate codes that reward posters by results. Bitcoin Talk has a lot of signature campaigns where the quality and competence of the poster is not relevant. The only thing that matters is the volume of posting. It also seems to act as an employment bureau for  the deprecated social networking sites.

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February 18, 2019, 01:05:14 PM
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Bitcoin Talk was created by Satoshi Nakamoto ( and others ) to promote awareness of Bitcoin. It was extremely successful, and Bitcoin is now a major force in banking and the Internet. Unfortunately it doesn't seem that BT has grown with it, and many of the major names seem to have abandoned the forum, or have never joined. This was brought home to me when I watched this video -
Satoshi Nakamoto: The Mysterious Founder of Bitcoin

I found the video interesting, although it includes a number of items with which I would disagree. It includes a reference to Reddit, but no mention of Bitcoin Talk - the forum that started the Bitcoin revolution. Is this because mainstream Bitcoin users and developers are not aware of the forum, or that they feel it is no longer relevant?

I'd like to see Bitcoin Talk regain its position as a significant contributor to the growth and acceptance of Bitcoin. What can I/we do to achieve this?

Bitcoin is bigger than this forum and it has obviously outgrown this place, but it's still an active hub (though arguably probably fuelled more by sign campaigns and ICOs than anything else right now). The video isn't a comprehensive history of bitcoin either. Sure, bitcointalk was there from the beginning and it wouldn't hurt to mention it but it's not something to worry about.

Besides, it's not like the video is wholly factually accurate:



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How to turn back the forum to the community ?
Remove the things that people can abuse: Trust score, Merit.



You really think removing these things would make a difference? Merit doesn't stop anyone from posting here but it certainly curbs spammers rising through the ranks, but rank or merit is meaningless really other than those who want to earn from posting here. As for trust I wouldn't be against scrapping the entire thing as people rely on it too much and assume negative or positive feedback from dt is is the be all and all of who is trustworthy or not.

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February 19, 2019, 08:10:00 AM
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I dont know what could anyway say or add to this topic. I'm not long into crypto story at all and to be honest I'm little late found out about this forum. From some time I could say that i read here and learn much more then on some social media (reddit for example). Never found anything useful there on anything. But believe that this can be solved. Probably there are good and bad sided like everything in life. Then think that maybe its better to have some serious brainstorming here. Many member are still active here helping one way or another, dont think that this can be some major step but can be start.

Bitcoin is bigger than this forum and it has obviously outgrown this place, but it's still an active hub (though arguably probably fuelled more by sign campaigns and ICOs than anything else right now).

This is true, but like everything in tech world that is growing by the minute now, can be solved and be good again. What was main reason when this forum was created to be place for all, big paying signatures campaigns or community with multiple solutions and answers for every question, maybe this could be staring point on how to take some steps on this.
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A lot of prominent members in the Bitcoin community started out on bitcointalk.org, then migrated to Reddit, and subsequently migrated from Reddit to Twitter. Many of these became "thought leaders" on Twitter, and no longer are active on Reddit or bitcointalk.org. I don't think it's because of the format or feel of the forum, I think it's more of an ego thing. The thing with Twitter is that if you have a minimum of a few thousand followers, you can write a good tweet and watch the likes and retweets pour in. It does give some level of satisfaction, something that can't quite be replicated on a forum. Eventually over time you find that people start trying very hard to be liked, so rather than stopping to form an opinion, they end up trying to fit into the group think. You see it in Bitcoin Twitter especially when everyone has the Lightning emoji in their name, the whole "UASF" in the bio/hats thing, absolutely toxic hatred of altcoins, and other examples of people trying desperately to fit into what everyone else in the community is doing. Everyone is always organizing to rally against something, and that's where the problem with these platforms shows itself, it enforces conformity. Conformists are easy to control and manipulate.

See the thing with these platforms though is that they intentionally trick you to seem bigger than they actually are. How many people on /r/Bitcoin post and contribute each day? It genuinely isn't that many, and on quiet days you can see a handful of very active discussions, and even those don't have very many unique new people. But the way the content is structured masks that. This forum has an insane amount of discussion taking place each day, across many different aspects of Bitcoin and periphery topics (economics, politics, services, etc). If you want price memes and surface level discussion, Reddit and Twitter are great, but this place has more variety and people are generally open minded, if you know which topics to post in. Twitter is also quite a small sample of Bitcoin users, for example Andreas' account, one of the most vocal and well respected Bitcoiners on social media only grew by ~60k followers in the past year, nothing compared to the type of numbers this forum achieves with new users.

There will be many forums and many places to discuss Bitcoin, many social media sites and many Facebook groups. But how many of those will have been something Satoshi created? A hundred years from now, nobody will give a shit about Twitter, Facebook or Reddit. But there's a good chance they will give a shit about Bitcoin (and one can hope they will be using it). You can be sure this forum will be in the history books. Little kids will look over archives of our threads as they dream of one day owning 1 BTC. Threads like "we are the new wealthy elite" will be discussed in classrooms. Homework assignments will ask kids to go and research how the HODL meme originated. If Bitcoin does take over the world, you can tell your grandkids you were in the place where it all began. We have something that can't be replicated elsewhere: history.
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April 09, 2019, 04:05:24 AM
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I was a part of the social media groups as well who discuss this things and I can personally say that it is too far from what people are discussing here. What they focused there basically is how to "earn" and that's it.

They are just sharing numerous sites or links where you can have or guides in getting one(which are obviously scams). That is why taking pride is very important if you know this community and you know that the information that other users were getting is wrong then educate them by leading them here.

The problem is that they will not because they don't understand it and there is no easy money scheme in here. Plus if you are an asshole you won't be targeting people who knows that you are actually scamming. Instead go to those people who absolutely do not understand what they are actually doing.


Lastly, you can easily post what you want on those platforms regardless of how bullsh*ts your post are there are still some people who believes in you because of their ignorance.

Therefore I can easily say OP that we are still leading people the right way when they come here. If I am not mistaken those people who were lead in here by their curiosity actually starting to understand the technology
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@Cøbra has good point in this. But I dont understand why they left, to gain personal gain or more popularity of followers. This forum is live with many member good and bad, seem many forums that try to be like this one but failed and they are struggling to survive. Here you can find anything ask anything ans answers for anything. So far here I read anything from serious thing to funny ones, and this is the point. We also have disputes this is normal but I also believe that this is not just place to start but to get well informed and to learn something or to read something interesting. Here we have everything every topic that you can think about and all in one place. So my thinking is that those who left will some back but they wont be respected as they were before.
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The issue is a major one, and out of my ability to contribute. However, I saw theymos wrote about his ideas to build up (changes on current system) merit system, to make it a decentralized merit system there:
This thought occurred to me recently:

If you wanted to implement Merit in a decentralized forum (ie. one in the vein of Freenet's Frost or FMS), you could do it in this way:
 - Everyone can, from their own perspective, give unlimited merit to posts, and these merit transactions are put into files which each user publishes via the decentralized system. (Like a merit.txt.xz which every user publishes.) Unlike on bitcointalk.org, you can also give people merit without an associated post.
 - For everyone who has merit, you download their merit-transactions-list, but scale down/up all of the numbers so that the total merit that they send is equal to the actual sMerit that they own. It might or might not be useful to do this via some sliding time frame scheme so that merit transaction amounts aren't just continually diminished over time as they increase in quantity.
 - Apply the above step recursively, creating a web-of-trust-style merit network

Then every user has a subjective merit score for each post (sort of like the bitcointalk.org trust system, which was inspired by FMS). And if you wish, you can assign people to be merit sources from your perspective by sending them large amounts of merit directly; these might or might not appear in the merit-transactions-list which you publish.
I created two topics in Meta, relates to the forum, so if those topics are helpful, it's good.
Steps to check potential phising links
List of scam / fake bitcointalk sites
In my opinion, somehow those topics can spread the forum's popularity and reputation out if we can better get rid of phising sites aim at bitcointalk.org forum. Hence, it might be one of way to bring the forum back into the Bitcoin community. When the forum has become better by merit system, it might become even better, and old users might come back if they look at the forum and have a feeling that bitcointalk.org changed and returned to its nearly originally pure forum.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem that BT has grown with it, and many of the major names seem to have abandoned the forum, or have never joined.
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