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August 31, 2020, 08:59:29 AM
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Hello,

I am unable to find an efficient way on how to spend small amount of BTC in terms of satoshis, for example 10k-50k sats.

There are many sources which give out these amounts of collective payouts such as faucets, reward hubs, or giveaways.

Once we get these coins in our wallet, in order to spend them, the fee itself is too high and will eat up a huge portion of it. Even though they are worth peanuts but saving something off it is better than saving nothing at all, money is money and it's not far that bitcoin will reach the moon.

Many people might have had such problems and thoughts. If you got any walkthrough or a efficient way of doing this please share here.

Thank you

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August 31, 2020, 09:14:21 AM
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You can take advantage of the lightning network for micropayments of bitcoin transactions.
You can learn about it or participate in the discussion on several threads related to the lightning network as in the following link:
- Basics of the Lightning Network
- The Lightning Network FAQ
- [Tutorial] How to create Lightning Network Channel (Testnet BTC)

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August 31, 2020, 10:45:32 AM
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If several input is the problem you are having, you can try to consolidate. If you consolidate your high input, you will be able to send bitcoin with lower fee. To consolidate, generate new address on your wallet, send all your bitcoin to the new address, use fee control  by editing your fee to as low as 1 satoshi/byte. It may take time before the transactions will be confirmed on your device, but it will be confirmed. Then you will be able to send bitcoin with lower fee.

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Mods: I realize this isn't really a Technical Support question, but it's related to dozens of support request threads that have been made in the past, and it can potentially reduce support requests in the future. That's why I post it here.

Background
Whenever the Bitcoin network gets more congested, fees get higher and higher. Most wallets now use "dynamic fees", which means they start competing with each other for fast confirmations. This results is fees spiraling upwards. Not so long ago, more than 600 Satoshis/byte was needed to have any chance at a fast confirmation.
The result: this board filled up with topics like: "my transaction got stuck for 2 weeks, help me". At the moment, these topics don't exist, which is the reason I open this "opposite" topic.


Example
18 days ago, someone made this 4909 bytes transaction with 33 inputs and 510 Satoshis/byte fee. After paying fees, his 0.033BTC turned into only 0.0079539BTC. If he would make the same transaction now with 20 Satoshis/byte fee, he would have saved 0.024BTC. Instead of just 0.0079539BTC, he would have ended up with 4 times more!


Opportunity
Since about a week, fees are quite low again. For many months now, even transactions with 1 Satoshi/byte are likely to get confirmed within an hour.
If you've been collecting faucets in the past, you most likely have many inputs around 0.000xBTC. A few weeks ago, anything under 0.001BTC wasn't even enough to pay for the fee. If you set a very low fee now, you can consolidate inputs as low as just 2000 Satoshis (0.00002BTC).


It's good for everyone
If you make a big transaction with high fees when the network is congested, you take up a lot of scarce block space. This makes the congestion even worse.
By making a big transaction when the network isn't congested, you're prepared to be able to make a much smaller transaction once the network is congested again, without adding much to the congestion.


Consolidate small inputs
If you have many small inputs, now is the perfect time to consolidate them into one new input! If you're not in a hurry to get a confirmation, you can set a very low fee and just wait. Once it's confirmed, your funds can be send in a much smaller transaction, which means you'll safe a lot on fees if you want to make a transaction when fees are high again. If you have enough small inputs, you can safe up to 95% or more on fees!


How
Now the tricky part: it depends on your wallet! The easy way would be to just send your entire balance to a new address in your own wallet. Make sure to manually set the fee!
I prefer to "Enable coin control" in Bitcoin Core, you can do this in Electrum too. Select the inputs you want to use, and leave out very small dust inputs (say 0.00001BTC, it would still cost more in fees than it's worth). Then simply send all selected inputs to a new address of your own.
If you have many different inputs, I suggest to consolidate them in multiple steps. Don't create a 100,000 bytes transaction with 500 inputs, but instead create many transactions with 20-ish inputs.


If your wallet doesn't allow you to set your own fee, and/or to use coin control, you can export your private keys and import them into a wallet that does support it. This, however, is something to discuss in another topic.

Privacy
Consolidating your inputs links them together on the blockchain. This wouldn't be any different when you use the same funds in any other transaction, but you should consider this before doing it.


SegWit
User Wind_FURY found a comprehensive overview of Techniques to reduce transaction fees, including the use of SegWit addresses.


Fee estimators

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All my threads are now self-moderated to stop signature spam. I will remove all irrelevant posts. If you quote the entire OP, your entry will be deleted.
Once in a while I'll summarize posts and clean up this thread.


Disclaimer
Use this information at your own risk. At all times, think before each action, especially when you're dealing with private keys. When in doubt, don't do it!
I'm human, I make mistakes. If something is incorrect, please let me know.


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August 31, 2020, 11:23:33 AM
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The way I do is to make use of Bitcoin Fee Estimator to find out how much time it would take my transaction to confirm if I send it with low fee. Then based on how much hurry I am in, I set the fee for the transaction and send it using the RBF function in Electrum wallet. It is a fail safe that if transaction gets stuck I can send it again with higher fee. In my experience it usually gets confirmed much earlier than the maximum time it shows on block explorers. But I only do this when I am low on coins. Other time I pay higher than normal fee to make up for the low fee transactions I made earlier. It is expensive to run miners and we should pay well when we can.

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August 31, 2020, 02:49:53 PM
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The best option all round is to stop receiving such small outputs. Wait until you have saved up, won, or earned a larger amount of bitcoin, and then withdraw it all at once. You will lose a much smaller amount on fees from 1 output of 100k sats than from 10 outputs of 10k sats.

The next best option is Lightning, but many of the services you list don't support or use it.

Your final option is simply to consolidate everything at 1 sat/vbyte and wait however long it takes to confirm.
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September 01, 2020, 10:57:47 AM
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I would not recommend you to waste those Bitcoin by using them instead keep on filling your wallet with these small amounts until you have somewhere around BTC0.001 satoshis and then plan on spending them.

I personally use Mycelium wallet for storing my Bitcoin and whenever I want to transfer them to an exchange or to another wallet I do check their fee calculator, you can choose how much you want to pay as fee and the time for them to reach using the calculator.

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