Appeal ban gefander

[gefandes]

Hi all, give me your time please !
 I was banned here without legal reason.
 I dont write here around 2 months, i'am just reading forum and now was very surprised to get ban.

 I know forum rules very well and never broken this rules. but yesterday when i open forum i saw - ban with reason: spam or plagiarism. Nothing like this in my account  - you can check all my messages here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1036966 .

I hope for justice & impartiality.

updated

Check again the message on Reddit - it has now changed and  nicknamed gefander. https://i.ibb.co/pd503jx/apeal.jpg

maybe someone from the forum administrator to give me a present and to answer why I was banned? once again I will repeat - start investigate details. Coz plagiarism - I never was engaged, and charges aren't proved, once again it is my message. I posted it on Facebook on the project page. And the main point of the message is to show how proud I am of the team that won the chess tournament. It doesn't even smell like plagiarism.

[Xal0lex]

Maybe because of that?

Copy:

I follow the events of the project on Facebook and here is very encouraging information that the guys brought victory!

It's Good To Be King: KIRIK Team Wins A Fast Chess Tournament
Everybody knows what happens when you’re all work and no play. We at KIRIK team try to keep our Work-Life balance even at industrial events.

Recently our folks won a fast chess tournament, which was organized as a part of Information System Industry Forum in Novosibirsk.

The members of Team KIRIK both won the cup in the team standings and became the individual winners and holders of the title IT King

Original:

"It's Good To Be King": KIRIK Team Wins A Fast Chess Tournament
Everybody knows what happens when you’re all work and no play. We at KIRIK team try to keep our Work-Life balance even at industrial events.

Recently our folks won a fast chess tournament, which was organized as a part of Information System Industry Forum in Novosibirsk.

The members of Team KIRIK both won the cup in the team standings and became the individual winners and holders of the title "IT King".

Or because of this:

Copy:

looks like a Scam, smells like a Scam, sounds like a Scam. - it's definitely a Scam.

Original:

If it looks like a scam, smells like a scam, sounds like a scam....... it probably is one.

[morvillz7z]

I'm not sure which was the exact post you were reported and banned for.

The first example Xal0lex gives is probably enough, as you seem to be following that project "very encouraging information that the guys brought victory!" but you forgot to share the source of the information, which of course should not serve as an excuse.

The second example with verbs such as look, smell, feel, sound etc I would probably skip and not report such. Imagine how many ducks we have to ban because they walk and quack the same.  

[HODL2090]

The first example Xal0lex gives is probably enough,

It is, probably, but it would be quite harsh in my opinion if that was the reason for the permaban. The beginning of the text implied that it was gotten from a social media platform. Yes there is no source linked, which is wrong.

The second option would also be harsh, one could read or even hear that quote from anywhere and it sticks.

[bill gator]

Plagiarism has become an extremely rampant problem within our community and therefore we do not take it lightly. If you've been banned for plagiarism and there are multiple posts that are in question then it is unlikely that your ban-appeal has any merit for approval. Your opinion is your opinion, but those aren't the standards that our community operates by.

[Kavelj22]

Plagiarism has become an extremely rampant problem within our community and therefore we do not take it lightly.

Renting signature space in bounty campaigns may be seen as the main factor pushing users to plagiarize contents of others, just for their weekly quota.
This results in forced conversation and low quality posts and plagiarism, simply because many members have to meet a required post count in a certain period.

[vit05]

Plagiarism has become an extremely rampant problem within our community and therefore we do not take it lightly.

Renting signature space in bounty campaigns may be seen as the main factor pushing users to plagiarize contents of others, just for their weekly quota.
This results in forced conversation and low quality posts and plagiarism, simply because many members have to meet a required post count in a certain period.

I think is the only one. But this doesn't mean that killing signatures will make the forum better, in my opinion. It may very likely make it worse. An example is the Brazilian section. For a long time, we had an exclusive campaign for the portuguese section of the forum. The section remained alive and with a reasonable number of topics. Any doubt always had someone to answer. The campaign ended a little while ago and after that and we currently, have almost no topics or posts since no campaign accepts posts from that section.

[bill gator]

Renting signature space in bounty campaigns may be seen as the main factor pushing users to plagiarize contents of others, just for their weekly quota.
This results in forced conversation and low quality posts and plagiarism, simply because many members have to meet a required post count in a certain period.

I don't understand how that is our problem to solve, through anything other than banning these malicious/desperate users willing to plagiarize and steal content in order to financially enrich themselves.

Nobody is forcing them into these campaigns. Nobody is forcing them to plagiarize. You are blaming the victim in this scenario, similarly to blaming the clothing of a rape victim. We offer opportunities here for genuinely interested members that contribute something to the community to earn money in various ways; once you begin to abuse these methods it is not the fault of the forum for providing a market/medium.

[TalkStar]

OP i think you have got your answer already. There is no chance to beleive it that bitcointalk authority ban account without proper reason. Do you need more legal reason? Forum need them who got the ability to write from their own, not them who steal it from others.

Nowadays plagiarism has been an concerning issue. Forum authority is enough strict with this matter i think. If this kind of actions continue against plagiarism than we can expect prevention in future.  

 

[gefandes]

Maybe because of that?

Copy:

I follow the events of the project on Facebook and here is very encouraging information that the guys brought victory!

It's Good To Be King: KIRIK Team Wins A Fast Chess Tournament
Everybody knows what happens when you’re all work and no play. We at KIRIK team try to keep our Work-Life balance even at industrial events.

Recently our folks won a fast chess tournament, which was organized as a part of Information System Industry Forum in Novosibirsk.

The members of Team KIRIK both won the cup in the team standings and became the individual winners and holders of the title IT King

Original:

"It's Good To Be King": KIRIK Team Wins A Fast Chess Tournament
Everybody knows what happens when you’re all work and no play. We at KIRIK team try to keep our Work-Life balance even at industrial events.

Recently our folks won a fast chess tournament, which was organized as a part of Information System Industry Forum in Novosibirsk.

The members of Team KIRIK both won the cup in the team standings and became the individual winners and holders of the title "IT King".

This message from reddit was 9 months ago (june or may 2018) - but my message was in april 2018. So you think i can see future? No i can't - See most message in Kirik thread writed by me > i fully support this project from october 2017. I inform about Kirik project because they don't use this forum. And why you cut part of this message "I follow the events of the project on Facebook and here is very encouraging information that the guys brought victory!" this message show that i am not plagiarizing!

Or because of this:

Copy:

looks like a Scam, smells like a Scam, sounds like a Scam. - it's definitely a Scam.

Original:

If it looks like a scam, smells like a scam, sounds like a scam....... it probably is one.

winged short text - any there can't be plagiarism - it's just the emotional tension of people that it's a Scam and in original it was : looks like ponzi smells like ponzi sounds like ponzi if it is plagiarism - now need google before write?

[FleurTunisienne]

Mr gefandes, thank you so much for the great information and how you correct a stuff member big error. Now, just explain to us how you create a brand new accout just to notice about that fucking short sentence!! Are you another alt of a banned user? Indeed, i find your one and only post very interresting and the community should focus within it     

[TryNinja]

Mr gefandes, thank you so much for the great information and how you correct a stuff member big error. Now, just explain to us how you create a brand new accout just to notice about that fucking short sentence!! Are you another alt of a banned user? Indeed, i find your one and only post very interresting and the community should focus within it     

He’s actually the OP that created the thread.

[erikoy]

@ OP, I know that you learn the bitcoin forum rules but you did not apply it. See how other members above posted your plagiarize post and maybe there are still lot of post you have been copying and pasting. Anyway, good thing that you have made an appeal now that it is cleared to you how you get banned then I am advising you to stop raising arguments since the violation is clearly bright as the blue sky.

[gefandes]

@ OP, I know that you learn the bitcoin forum rules but you did not apply it. See how other members above posted your plagiarize post and maybe there are still lot of post you have been copying and pasting. Anyway, good thing that you have made an appeal now that it is cleared to you how you get banned then I am advising you to stop raising arguments since the violation is clearly bright as the blue sky.

no its not plagiarism - easy to see he make mistake coz april come before may or june

i am sure that can't any plagiarism from me no was - sometimes i copypaste my own messages from my twitter or facebook accounts or from my blog on steemit - but plagiarism never been from me. i am true free writer and never discreditation my person with plagiarism this what know very well.

[r1s2g3]

no its not plagiarism - easy to see he make mistake coz april come before may or june

i am sure that can't any plagiarism from me no was - sometimes i copypaste my own messages from my twitter or facebook accounts or from my blog on steemit - but plagiarism never been from me. i am true free writer and never discreditation my person with plagiarism this what know very well.

I got that, but you should make a habit to put the disclaimer that you have originally posted this work somewhere else also. I guess you should be un banned in this forum but what about reddit banning you now for plagiarism?

Even,if it is your own work, you need to put a disclaimer that it is published before on another platform if you are doing Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V.

[Kavelj22]

Renting signature space in bounty campaigns may be seen as the main factor pushing users to plagiarize contents of others, just for their weekly quota.
This results in forced conversation and low quality posts and plagiarism, simply because many members have to meet a required post count in a certain period.

I don't understand how that is our problem to solve, through anything other than banning these malicious/desperate users willing to plagiarize and steal content in order to financially enrich themselves.

Nobody is forcing them into these campaigns. Nobody is forcing them to plagiarize. You are blaming the victim in this scenario, similarly to blaming the clothing of a rape victim.

English is not my first language, am always having problems to express in a clear way what i want to say. I mean by "Renting signature space in bounty campaigns" is that the plagiarism issue is related to the way signature campaigns work currently [content stealers + lazy managers], not because users have signatures and the forum allows bounty campaigns. Plagiarism is made by personal choice and not recommended by the parameters/rules of the forum. I said it's a factor. Am not blaiming the forum about offering opprtunities for users.
Although, in my opinion it falls under BMs responsabilities. And the forum doesn't enforce any set of rules for campaign starters and bounty managers to control the quality of the posts of the participants; this is why it's a problem.

We offer opportunities here for genuinely interested members that contribute something to the community to earn money in various ways; once you begin to abuse these methods it is not the fault of the forum for providing a market/medium.

Totally agree with this point.
What we need to enjoy the opportunities without let polluting the forum by plagiars and spammers is: Stricter control/set of rules for campaign starters and bounty managers.

[Pmalek]

@Kavelj22
It does make sense to have stricter rules in place for altcoin signature campaigns. I say altcoin because the bitcoin campaigns already have strict rules and trustworthy managers check the posting history of those who apply and many users get rejected from participating. The limit is also 10,20 or maybe 30 participants. In such campaigns the BM can focus much more on the quality of the content that is being written.

But for most of the altcoin campaigns, there is no control like that. They accept 100s or even 1000s of participants (anyone who applies and is not red-trusted) and the bounty managers have no time or are willing to go through every single post. Maybe there should be a limit to the number of participants that can join a particular campaign set by the Forum.

[gefandes]

Check again the message on Reddit - it has now changed and  nicknamed gefander. https://i.ibb.co/pd503jx/apeal.jpg

[Findingnemo]

Check again the message on Reddit - it has now changed and  nicknamed gefander. https://i.ibb.co/pd503jx/apeal.jpg

So it is also your post on reddit? Or someone copied your post from BTT and posted on reddit,what is your claim on this and make it clear.Just curious to know what will happen if the ban was given wrongly.

[gefandes]

Now the message on reddit is completely changed and my nickname is listed there. I explained the situation as it is, the point is not even that this is my message, but the fact that the message on the reddit was published later. No plagiarism can be, please remove the unfounded allegations of plagiarism.