Antivaccination propaganda here and there.

[TECSHARE]

Sorry, you are confused. They explicitly explain in the paper they are testing for ACTUAL measles, but this strain used for the vaccines no longer exists in the wild. The vaccines induce ACTUAL measles, just a less virulent strain as a direct result of vaccination resulting in a reaction that is often indistinguishable from the more virulent strain. That is how inoculation works. You are offered a controlled minimal infection to allow your immune system an opportunity to produce antibodies for it so it is resistant to infection when it encounters a more virulent strain. Often these are not live viruses, in this case it appears to be an actual live virus according to the text of the paper.

Thats an argument of semantics. If you are given a minimal controlled infection, and the traces you test positive for are that dead virus, that does not mean you have the disease. Otherwise, anyone that was tested right now that had received the vaccine previously would by your definition have actual measles. I have not read all of the side effects of every vaccine to be able to tell you definitively that inflammation from your body's immune system overreacting to the dead disease is the cause of the allergic reactions that can occur, and are sometimes read as false positives, such as the case of the study we have been discussing, but that is what I'd expect to find with proper research. At the very least, I would not expect to find anything that stated that the measles vaccine gives you a mild case of the measles until you fight it off.

That was the case with flu mist , but thats because for some reason you inhale a weakened rather than dead strain of the virus. It was never offered to those with any risk factors, because it could legitimately give you a weakened version of the flu if your immune system couldn't suppress it before it got a chance to recuperate.  

Except we aren't talking about all of those other situations. We are talking about this paper and this study, which clearly says they are testing for a version of measles transmitted via vaccine.

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[BADecker]

^^^ As you said earlier, "Its not about medicine, its about integrity. As a person in a role of research, you have moral and legal obligations to accurately represent your findings."

Note that the word "indistinguishable" is used with regard to the rash after vaccination. So, if it is indistinguishable, it might as well be measles. If they have to use PCR machines to tell the difference, why would anyone want to get vaccinated against something they are going to get the same symptoms of? If the reash is really different, then why use the word "indistinguishable?"

Let's get the safety figured out ahead of time, before we start administering the vaccines. Since the safety has not been figured out, the moral and legal obligatio0ns have not been carried out.

Is the rash infectious? Will the rash cause pneumonia or death? Indistinguishable means going into a doctor and them saying, hey it looks like you have the measles. Not that you have the measles and will suffer all of the effects.

I've gotten fevers from flu vaccines before, but had it been the flu I would have been hospitalized due to (minor) preexisting conditions. I don't think you can make a sound argument that a 5% chance of a rash or fever (in the measles case) is the same as a rather deadly disease.

Indistinguishable means just that. If the doctor can't tell without using a PCR machine, why would he and the medical be propagandizing the people into the idea that vaccines are good, or safe?

Since safety isn't known to exist, because the doctors are admitting that they can't tell without a PCR machine, and essentially nobody uses a PCR machine, what in the world is happening regarding safety? And this is only instant safety... right at the time of the shots. So how can they tell about the dangerous implications 20 or 30 years down the road, if they can't even tell about the safety right on the spot?

For example. All kinds of complex math is used to suggest that Big Bang might be real. But included is the simple math of 1+1=2, and 2*3=6... and all the rest of the simple math. Why? Because the simple math upholds the complex math. Yet, the BB focus isn't on the simple math that upholds it all. Rather, the focus is on the complex math that is producing BB results. Everybody who thinks about it (which most average victims don't) automatically understands that the simple math is part of the equation.

The focus of the study may not have been the simple idea of indistinguishability. Rather, the focus might have been the infectiousness. But no matter what the focus was, the focus doesn't dismiss the things that uphold it. If it did, the whole focus would disappear.

All that Natural News was doing was showing other points written right into the study report. It seems to me that the idea of safety, and the idea of the medical not being able to distinguish between stuff they inject into you, and stuff that happens as the result of whatever they inject, should be of paramount importance. But they say that they don't know when they use the word indistinguishable.

That is criminal. What is criminal? To say that it is safe, yet to admit that they can't tell the difference, and especially when they try to hide aspects of it - like you do - by saying that that wasn't the focus.

[TECSHARE]

There is now a coordinated push to remove any content that questions vaccine safety. This includes Amazon systematically removing related books and documentaries, and places like Facebook and Youtube banning and restricting related content. Everyone knows the best scientific debate happens in the dark right? I don't care if you think vaccines are totally safe, this is a clear demonstration of intent to end all discussion about the subject which is completely ANTI-SCIENCE.

[Brunus]

Is this "propaganda" or just a fact?

https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/japan-has-the-lowest-infant-mortality-rate-following-ban-on-mandatory-vaccinations

[BADecker]

It's becoming clearer and clearer. Vaccines are often the cause of the outbreaks they are trying to control.


Measles outbreak likely caused by vaccinated children, science shows

While the media continues to spew emotionally charged tirades about how the anti-vaccination "movement" allegedly triggered the recent measles outbreak that health authorities believe started at Disneyland, actual science suggests that the most likely cause of this insanely overblown outbreak was a person who was recently vaccinated.

Numerous published studies reveal how live-virus vaccines like MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) actually shed these diseases for many weeks or even months following vaccination, potentially infecting others, both vaccinated and unvaccinated. This means that any child who was recently given an MMR vaccine is a walking disease-spreader, a truth that the media is refusing to report as even just a possibility in this case.

The fact that vaccinated individuals can and do carry around contagious measles for many weeks while displaying no symptoms of the disease suggests that this latest outbreak might just be another example of a vaccine-strain outbreak. While a handful of the roughly 100 measles cases identified so far have tested out as wild genotype B3 measles, according to the latest reports, the original source of the outbreak has yet to be identified.

"Numerous scientific studies indicate that children who receive a live virus vaccination can shed the disease and infect others for weeks or even months afterwards," said Leslie Manookian, a documentary filmmaker and activist. "Thus, parents who vaccinate their children can indeed put others at risk."

Edit: From the comments, "Your odds of being killed from Measels is way less than driving to the doctor to get the shot."

[steklomoiy]

How interesting. Is here a topic about flat Earth?

[BADecker]

^^^ Perhaps this topic is one that would fit into the category of things like flat Earth. The thing we need here is the actual test reports. They have to be double-blind studies for 3 things:
1. True effectiveness of vaccines;
2. Both long and short term safety of vaccines;
3. Proof that it was the vaccines that did the activity, and not something else that was overlooked in the studies.

All of these are lacking, even though they are required by law.

[BADecker]

Sounds like the "shocker" is that the medical hasn't been doing safety studies, and that the vaccination push is the real propaganda.


MEDICAL SHOCKER: MMR vaccine dangers exposed by FDA study

Care to purposely give your 3-to-4-month-young baby gastrointestinal illness and upper-respiratory distress? Up your chances of sickening your child with these serious health crises by 40 – 60 percent, simply by getting a nurse or doctor to inject the so called “safe and effective” MMR vaccine. Yes, the Measles, Mumps & Rubella shot, or choose any of them separate too, and the results are virtually the same.

This is according to the FDA and a vaccine trial run on American kids. A shockingly high percentage of the children tested suffered extreme illnesses just days and weeks after receiving the same vaccine New York’s Governor (Bill “Adolf” de Blasio) wants to utilize in order to force-vaccinate all the Orthodox Jews (who all know better and opt out using religious exemptions).

The insidious CDC has been fully exposed only thanks to an FOIA request (Freedom of Information Act), and now the MMR may  be considered the 3rd most dangerous vaccine known to mankind, running close behind the deadly HPV vaccine and the infamously defective and mercury-laden flu jab (influenza vaccine).

Del Bigtree exposes the misinformation spewed by the CDC and the Mass Media, as they claim all vaccine safety advocates are “anti-vaxxers”

Out of just over 100 children tested, 64 percent suffered upper respiratory illness from the MMR vaccine within just days or weeks of getting injected with its toxins, including some stranger’s abortion cells that get genetically modified in a lab, monosodium glutamate (yes, MSG), gelatin (from pigs), urea (that’s animal urine), and neomycin – an antibiotic that, when injected, causes adverse events like loss of coordination, decreased urination, hearing problems and trouble walking.

[dogetalk]

How interesting. Is here a topic about flat Earth?

Yes it is, people are so braindead here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009045.0

[Viron]

As you've outlined, a large non-vaccinated group can, and will, jeopardise the health of those who HAVE taken measures to immunize themselves.
That is what worries me, in my country, the belief of "vaccines cause autism and the gov are trying to cull the population!" is too damn mainstream. You couldn't throw a rock without hitting someone that thinks so. Nothing will change their minds either, hell, the guy that originally theorized that link with autism has come out and said that his study was invalid (after being debunked many times), and it's sill not enough to these people.
They'd rather revive deceases than use critical thinking and do the most basic research into how vaccines even work... it's honestly depressing.

[BADecker]

^^^ In other words, most people are sheeple, and walk around accepting everything the doctor says, just because he knows it all is truth.

Why wake the people up? Your medical stocks could plummet.

[BADecker]

Aw, drat. Just when we thought that vaccines worked, something like this has to go and happen. Guess they should have pumped a couple of gallons into each of those guys. LOL!


US Navy Ship Quarantined at Sea for Vaccine Preventable Virus, Despite 100% Vaccination Rate

A US Navy ship has been quarantined at sea for months due to a mumps outbreak. This is in spite of a 100% percent vaccination rate against it.

The USS Fort McHenry, a dock landing ship, has been stuck at sea for months, along with hundreds of Marines and sailors aboard after dozens of crew members contracted mumps. The ship remains quarantined as officials with the Navy and Marines Corps Public Health Center conduct an in-depth epidemiological investigation.

The cases began to surface in December after the ship departed Mayport Naval Station in Florida. Although that was the last time at port, "the point of origin has not yet been determined," the Fifth Fleet noted.

The Navy's Bureau of Medicine and Surgery (BUMED) explained to Business Insider that "based on clinical presentation and laboratory testing, these cases are currently classified as probable cases of mumps," one of a number of illnesses that all US military personnel are vaccinated against.

Every single person aboard the USS Fort McHenry has been vaccinated against this virus, yet dozens have been infected. Even after more booster vaccines were administered, more cases of the vaccine-preventable virus appeared.

"Since the onset of the first case, the ship's medical department has implemented health protection measures, provided an additional outbreak-specific dose of vaccine to the crew, and managed patients to stop the spread of the illness," BUMED explained.

[tvbcof]

Aw, drat. Just when we thought that vaccines worked, something like this has to go and happen. Guess they should have pumped a couple of gallons into each of those guys. LOL!

US Navy Ship Quarantined at Sea for Vaccine Preventable Virus, Despite 100% Vaccination Rate
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Everyone who studies these issues understands that mumps is undergoing what is known technically as 'vaccine failure'.  Merck had to do everything _including_ simply scratching out the data and inserting more favorable invented numbers to demonstrate that it still works to a specification.  It's important to them for their MMR 'franchise'.

Isn't it interesting that in some cases, including this one, the 'hot-spots' of a given disease just happen to be where there are the most vaccines.  Hmmm....

[BADecker]

^^^ How many people are turning into "the living dead" or walking zombies... at least regarding having true life in themselves... just because of vaccines and medical drugs in general.

As we are finding out, even THC is a drug that helps clean up medical drugs somewhat.

Why CBD Works Better With a Little THC (Even If You Don’t Want to Get High) - https://www.leafly.com/news/health/why-cbd-works-better-with-thc

[anthon.stephens]

I do not vaccinate children and I advise you to do it.

[darklus123]

I can't personally talk about the scientific facts between being injected with vax  or not but as I may have seen based on the society that I lived in. There are a lot of communities in which we don't have access to such thing that is called vaccines, that maybe some places are putting on from the day that a human being is born.


Yet most of the community that I was talking are actually living a life ranging from 90 - 120 years old. And if I am going to compare it to the highly urbanized area in which there are a lot of people being vaccinated (who are actually having a lot of health issues).


Look at how cruel was the Dengvaxia(anti dengue vaccines) that have killed "ALMOST ALL" of the kids who actually being injected. Another thing is that it was mandatory done by the government and this kids has nothing to say about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dengvaxia_controversy


Guess what the company behind the vaccine creation and even the government keeps on telling lies that since there are no specific scientific evidences by the cause of deaths on those kids. It is not and will not be their fault. Now As I quote

Since the announcement by Sanofi, no deaths have been scientifically confirmed. However, many of the victims' parents blamed the dengue vaccine for the deaths of their children;[52] some of them have no prior knowledge of their children being injected.[53] One victim's parent considered to file charges against the doctors who allegedly mishandle the autopsy to the victim's body for "medical malpractice" and caused Persida-Acosta to express anger.[54] Most of the deaths are caused by internal bleedings in heart, lungs, and brain based on the autopsy conducted by PAO.[55][56][7] Duque angrily confronted the summoned hospital officials after he learned that four hospitals in Cavite allegedly refused to admit the Dengvaxia vaccinees because "there is no room for the patient".[57]

About one million Grade 4 students from selected regions have received doses of the vaccine. From the records of DOH, there are 729,105 students that have been vaccinated but out of this number, only 534,303 students were vaccinated with parents' consent.[58]

It started on 2016 and ended on 2017 because they are starting to receive numerous reports of the said symptoms.  Now that we are on 2019 still no one has been charged liable  from this.


Now from the start there was no such thing that was called as "Vaccines" Until the medical evolution happened. Yes we might be able to prevent the certain disease based on the vaccines that is injected to your body. The thing here is that if you have added new elements to your body that is not natural you can't personally say how will that affect your body.


From this reasons, the anti vax-propaganda really have a certain good point of view and cannot just be ignored. (In the end will still all die so what's the point? it is still all about politics which actually sucks).

[dogtana]

Sometimes I think antivax movement is an extreme leftist plot to get rid of the right. I mean what are the odds that it is such a correlation. Most antivaxers come from the right.

[BADecker]

It is doubtful that ALL - 100% - of the anti-vaxxers' information is correct. But regarding safety testing, it is way safer than vaccinating.

[tsaroz]

Everyone should have right to have an opinion of their own. But you also need to accept established truth. You can't just try everything for yourself to verify it. Saying the earth is flat is not an opinion but just an anti-establishment sentiment.
Sooner or later the truth would be among us but I'm afraid a lot of lives would be at risk if you don't start to look at the facts right now.

[tvbcof]

Everyone should have right to have an opinion of their own. But you also need to accept established truth. You can't just try everything for yourself to verify it. Saying the earth is flat is not an opinion but just an anti-establishment sentiment.
Sooner or later the truth would be among us but I'm afraid a lot of lives would be at risk if you don't start to look at the facts right now.

Saying 'the earth is flat' is advertising to the world that you part of the ridiculous psy-op and not to be trusted, or that you are remarkable incapable of analysis and hopelessly gullible.  99% of the time it is the former.

If someone is engaged as an active participant in the flat earth psy-op it is likely that they are engaged in other psy-ops.  The point of the flat earth psy-op is to 'mix' ridiculous things with valid and serious concerns (e.g., the 2nd amendment, vaccine safety, geo-engineering, GMO, etc.)  When you see someone taking a strong stance on one of these issues and mixing in flat-earth nonsense, it is almost certain that they are an operative.  That's how the game is played these days.