US and Colombia Attempt to Deliver Humanitarian Aid to Venezuela, chaos ensues.

[squatz1]

Despite a military blockade at the Venezuelan border by disputed President Maduro, the United States and Colombia attempted to deliver humanitarian aid to the nation. Maduro has said that he thinks the delivering of aid is a way to humiliate his government and cause mass defects. Protests have ensued across Venezuela, as protests have clashed with government forces.

In the WSJ article that I've read about it, Venezuela desperately needs the humanitarian aid as poverty has soared, the economy is crashing, and inflation is around 2 million percent per year (yes you've read this)

Read the article here - https://www.wsj.com/articles/venezuelan-troops-defect-amid-showdown-at-border-11550931389?mod=hp_lead_pos1

I think the sad truth of this all is that if some humanitarian aid can cause mass defects, you should probably resign and let someone else run your government. As you're probably not doing a good job. What does everyone else think about this situation?

[coins4commies]

Instead of sending "aid",  why not just end all of the sanctions, release the nations assets and stop trying to replace the government through an active coup. 

Who would accept a bandaid from a person with a knife who is actively stabbing them?

[squatz1]

Instead of sending "aid",  why not just end all of the sanctions, release the nations assets and stop trying to replace the government through an active coup. 

Who would accept a bandaid from a person with a knife who is actively stabbing them?

Maybe the Maduro government should hold real elections, instead of ones where they're rigged to the point where other parties know that it's not even worth it to run -- as Maduro is just going to rig it. Maybe Maduro also shouldn't be stripping his legislators of all of their power and then forming another legislator that is just his party.

Maduro has broken the constitution of his own country and is a failed leader. Want to hear some of the examples of Maduros failures?

1. Maduro forms a program named "Safe Homeland" which was an attempt to lower the crime rates in the country. Since the initiation of the program, the murder rate has increased by approximately 8 percent in 2-3 years.

2.Economic Policy - This is the worst of them all, as Venezuela has seen hyperinflation to the toon of 2 million percent per year. The country has been in a depression since 2014 (so five years now) with no end in sight under the government of Maduro.

3. Maduro, through his failed policies, has been forced to give up massive amounts of power to the military members of his country to maintain control. As without them, and their support, he would be no more.

He is not a legitimate President, Guaido is. ( a legitimate interim President)

[KingScorpio]

Instead of sending "aid",  why not just end all of the sanctions, release the nations assets and stop trying to replace the government through an active coup. 

Who would accept a bandaid from a person with a knife who is actively stabbing them?

no one wants to life under madurs communist ICO

[coolcoinz]

When the country is in ruins and the situation is deteriorating you're doing something wrong as the president. When your only response to the situation is sending police to fight the crowd, put people in jail for mining cryptocurrency and steal their equipment, launch your own shitcoin that nobody wants to use, and other ridiculous ideas, you're in the wrong place. You're not a president, you're a dictator, and a bad one on top of it, because there were countries that did much better under a dictatorship.
Maduro should resign. Not because people are protesting, but because of the state his country is in. Sadly, he's too proud and too stubborn for it.

[izzy13]

USA and its pseudohumanitarian aids, as always. Failed in Vietnam and Syria, and now trying the new old tricks in Venezuela. Next target: Southeast Asia. I agree that Maduro should resign. But to hand the power over to Guaido? Big no. It would just like when Soekarno surrendered the power to Soeharto, or Romanov to the Bolsheviks.

[Jet Cash]

The news is so distorted. Venezuela receives so much aid, that it tried to give some of it to part of Columbia, and the US blocked it. If the US really cared about helping people, then they would route that aid to the parts of Columbia that really needs it. But maybe that would mess up their drug dealing, and they need that to fund all their stupid wars that everybody knows are just attempts to seize the assets of countries to give to the super-national elite.

[KingScorpio]

When the country is in ruins and the situation is deteriorating you're doing something wrong as the president. When your only response to the situation is sending police to fight the crowd, put people in jail for mining cryptocurrency and steal their equipment, launch your own shitcoin that nobody wants to use, and other ridiculous ideas, you're in the wrong place. You're not a president, you're a dictator, and a bad one on top of it, because there were countries that did much better under a dictatorship.
Maduro should resign. Not because people are protesting, but because of the state his country is in. Sadly, he's too proud and too stubborn for it.

bitcoin and banksters certainly wont help the country

[Quickseller]

Venezuela also cut off diplomatic ties with Columbia after aid was attempted to be delivered via that border.

I would not be surprised to see war break out between Venezuela and Columbia, perhaps after Venezuela makes an empty threat and/or after Venezuela launches a token attach hoping to get Columbia to back off, not wanting war. If war does break out, I would expect for the government of Venezuela to fall shortly thereafter.

[squatz1]

The news is so distorted. Venezuela receives so much aid, that it tried to give some of it to part of Columbia, and the US blocked it. If the US really cared about helping people, then they would route that aid to the parts of Columbia that really needs it. But maybe that would mess up their drug dealing, and they need that to fund all their stupid wars that everybody knows are just attempts to seize the assets of countries to give to the super-national elite.

What the hell did I just read.

Could you please explain

[mayo2u]

to fund all their stupid wars that everybody knows are just attempts to seize the assets of countries to give to the super-national elite.

Which assets did the US steal from Iraq? Which assets were stolen from Afghanistan?
How about Vietnam? (People were saying that the US was in Vietnam to steal the oil off its shores. 50 years later and the oil is still not being drilled off the coastline of Vietnam. Why isn't Vietnam one of the worlds greatest oil producers? Is it because there was no oil to being with?)
What about Korea? Why was the US there?

[Quickseller]

The news is so distorted. Venezuela receives so much aid, that it tried to give some of it to part of Columbia, and the US blocked it. If the US really cared about helping people, then they would route that aid to the parts of Columbia that really needs it. But maybe that would mess up their drug dealing, and they need that to fund all their stupid wars that everybody knows are just attempts to seize the assets of countries to give to the super-national elite.

What the hell did I just read.

Could you please explain

I have noticed he posts a lot of pro-Maduro (what amounts to) propaganda in Venezuela threads. I wouldn't take it seriously.

There seem to be a few others similarly supporting Maduro, although this may be because they are wanting Socialism to be tried in the US. Interestingly, Socialist Bernie Sanders acknowledged there is a humanitarian crisis recently.

[Artemis3]

More than 150 Venezuelan police and military have deserted Maduro in the last 48 hours according to Colombian officials, crossing the border and requesting asylum.

Guaido ramps up pressure after deadly Venezuela border clashes

The indigenous people where two were killed yesterday today captured a military official (with his rifle) and several unarmed soldiers.

BTW Maduro is attempting a widespread internet censorship, several sites fail to load unless various types of circumvention is used.

[squatz1]

The news is so distorted. Venezuela receives so much aid, that it tried to give some of it to part of Columbia, and the US blocked it. If the US really cared about helping people, then they would route that aid to the parts of Columbia that really needs it. But maybe that would mess up their drug dealing, and they need that to fund all their stupid wars that everybody knows are just attempts to seize the assets of countries to give to the super-national elite.

What the hell did I just read.

Could you please explain

I have noticed he posts a lot of pro-Maduro (what amounts to) propaganda in Venezuela threads. I wouldn't take it seriously.

There seem to be a few others similarly supporting Maduro, although this may be because they are wanting Socialism to be tried in the US. Interestingly, Socialist Bernie Sanders acknowledged there is a humanitarian crisis recently.

Didn't know that Jet Cash swung that way. Pretty horrible to see!

Maduro is a horrid leader, and should be ousted. He's not a legitimate president, I want to stretch that one more time, MADURO IS NOT A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT

[Quickseller]

The news is so distorted. Venezuela receives so much aid, that it tried to give some of it to part of Columbia, and the US blocked it. If the US really cared about helping people, then they would route that aid to the parts of Columbia that really needs it. But maybe that would mess up their drug dealing, and they need that to fund all their stupid wars that everybody knows are just attempts to seize the assets of countries to give to the super-national elite.

What the hell did I just read.

Could you please explain

I have noticed he posts a lot of pro-Maduro (what amounts to) propaganda in Venezuela threads. I wouldn't take it seriously.

There seem to be a few others similarly supporting Maduro, although this may be because they are wanting Socialism to be tried in the US. Interestingly, Socialist Bernie Sanders acknowledged there is a humanitarian crisis recently.

Didn't know that Jet Cash swung that way. Pretty horrible to see!

Maduro is a horrid leader, and should be ousted. He's not a legitimate president, I want to stretch that one more time, MADURO IS NOT A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT

Yes it is disappointing to see otherwise productive forum members have such extremist views. I guess it is just a fact of participating in such a diverse forum

[tvbcof]

Yes it is disappointing to see otherwise productive forum members have such extremist views. I guess it is just a fact of participating in such a diverse forum

Lots of people simply don't like the U.S. and the international banker's actions in that country.  We've seen them before, and the people of neither country win.

Socialism sucks.  Why not just let it fail on it's own?  If it won't fail in Venezuela due to their natural wealth, deal with it.  The only thing which the sanctions and harassment accomplish is to lend strength to the relatively false idea that Socialism works unless Capitalism interferes.

Then there is the plainly unethical idea that it is OK to steal if you have the muscle to do so, and the U.S. policy doesn't even hide that that is the goal.  Whoever supports us on that philosophical principle is NOT someone who is going to be reliable or beneficial to have around in the long run.  Even as lap-dogs.  Certainly not as masters which is more likely to be the driving force given the relative strength of our people in influencing our politicians relative to certain other groups.

[squatz1]

Yes it is disappointing to see otherwise productive forum members have such extremist views. I guess it is just a fact of participating in such a diverse forum

Though I guess that's just how life is, sometimes you disagree with people and that's just how the world works. Hope you don't take that the wrong way Jet Cash, we just disagree politically! (at least on here)

Yes it is disappointing to see otherwise productive forum members have such extremist views. I guess it is just a fact of participating in such a diverse forum

Lots of people simply don't like the U.S. and the international banker's actions in that country.  We've seen them before, and the people of neither country win.

Socialism sucks.  Why not just let it fail on it's own?  If it won't fail in Venezuela due to their natural wealth, deal with it.  The only thing which the sanctions and harassment accomplish is to lend strength to the relatively false idea that Socialism works unless Capitalism interferes.

Then there is the plainly unethical idea that it is OK to steal if you have the muscle to do so, and the U.S. policy doesn't even hide that that is the goal.  Whoever supports us on that philosophical principle is NOT someone who is going to be reliable or beneficial to have around in the long run.  Even as lap-dogs.  Certainly not as masters which is more likely to be the driving force given the relative strength of our people in influencing our politicians relative to certain other groups.

I wouldn't even say that US muscle has done anything, if the US wanted socialism to fail in Venezuela for good they could make it happen. But they're not doing so, yet.

[Quickseller]

Yes it is disappointing to see otherwise productive forum members have such extremist views. I guess it is just a fact of participating in such a diverse forum

Lots of people simply don't like the U.S. and the international banker's actions in that country.  We've seen them before, and the people of neither country win.

Socialism sucks.  Why not just let it fail on it's own?  If it won't fail in Venezuela due to their natural wealth, deal with it.  The only thing which the sanctions and harassment accomplish is to lend strength to the relatively false idea that Socialism works unless Capitalism interferes.

Then there is the plainly unethical idea that it is OK to steal if you have the muscle to do so, and the U.S. policy doesn't even hide that that is the goal.  Whoever supports us on that philosophical principle is NOT someone who is going to be reliable or beneficial to have around in the long run.  Even as lap-dogs.  Certainly not as masters which is more likely to be the driving force given the relative strength of our people in influencing our politicians relative to certain other groups.

Sanctions are not being put on Venezuela oil companies because of socialism, they are being put on because of the fake elections that has effectively turned the democracy into a dictatorship that arbitrarily jails, kills and otherwise harms dissenters and those opposed to the current government.

The Venezuela government also effectively seized private property for the benefit of the state without due process, nor compensation.

The government is taking care of the elite few who help the government stay in power while the rest of the people suffer, and live in extreme poverty and hyperinflation. Socialist governments can survive for a long time because only a small portion of the population needs to be taken care of. 

[tvbcof]

Lots of people simply don't like the U.S. and the international banker's actions in that country.  We've seen them before, and the people of neither country win.

Socialism sucks.  Why not just let it fail on it's own?  If it won't fail in Venezuela due to their natural wealth, deal with it.  The only thing which the sanctions and harassment accomplish is to lend strength to the relatively false idea that Socialism works unless Capitalism interferes.

Then there is the plainly unethical idea that it is OK to steal if you have the muscle to do so, and the U.S. policy doesn't even hide that that is the goal.  Whoever supports us on that philosophical principle is NOT someone who is going to be reliable or beneficial to have around in the long run.  Even as lap-dogs.  Certainly not as masters which is more likely to be the driving force given the relative strength of our people in influencing our politicians relative to certain other groups.

Sanctions are not being put on Venezuela oil companies because of socialism, they are being put on because of the fake elections that has effectively turned the democracy into a dictatorship that arbitrarily jails, kills and otherwise harms dissenters and those opposed to the current government.

The Venezuela government also effectively seized private property for the benefit of the state without due process, nor compensation.

The government is taking care of the elite few who help the government stay in power while the rest of the people suffer, and live in extreme poverty and hyperinflation. Socialist governments can survive for a long time because only a small portion of the population needs to be taken care of. 

I think that you are full of shit in most of this which is standard state department propaganda, but let's say you are right.  So what?  Why is it any of our business?  Don't we have enough problems to take care of here in the U.S.?

[peonminer]

This is sad that Venezuela is still in civil unrest. I used to work buying precious metals and a family from there used to come in and tell me stories about the conditions. This was about 6 or so years ago. The father said that the conditions were so bad that the mafia is committing murder in the streets, so is the government. Looting was everywhere, and the currency was so inflated a TV that would cost $400 in the US cost $2k to $10k there. That's one run down economy. Apparently the President has everything so monopolized people are fighting over everything. The guy told me how people would buy gold there and bring to the US just to sell it here for a profit since the economy is so busted there. They sound like the new Cuba honestly.