New collection of badges for self-made users

[tranthidung]

I gone a long journey from Newbie to Full Member, then come very close to Senior Member.
Honestly, I gone faster than what I envisioned at the start of 2019.
I have been rewarded around 100 sMerits since the start of 2019, it's amazing.

Today, I thought that it might be great if the forum launch a new collection of badges for self-made users.
The collection will be totally different the current badges.
It might help forum users easily to distinguish between self-made users, and airdropped users.
Of course, for some users, there are overlaps between airdropped and self-made between ranks.

1) Self-made Full Members:


2) Self-made Senior Members:


3) Self-made Heroes:


4) Self-made Ledgendaries:


Fully displayed badge:


I hope that theymos will accept the collection on April 1st this year.

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[leonair]

You we're here since 2017 and you are one of the most improve poster IMO, you can be a Sr.Member if you just actively post since you started but no doubt you can still do it even with the merit system.

How about those forum members that was already a Legendary rank right before the merit system implemented and still receiving smerits, how can they get this badge. I see it like a bragging rights and I'm not against for as long as someone deserves it.

[fronti]

I hope that theymos will accept the collection on April 1st this year.

nice idea, but if this should become an april fool, then a PM would be better to not disclose in before

[Jet Cash]

The idea is good, but I think that Bitcoin Talk has moved into the crypto market, although Bitcoin is still important of course.

Anyway - I want 5 golden cats just like the aristocratic Egyptian ones.

[r1s2g3]

How about those forum members that was already a Legendary rank right before the merit system implemented and still receiving smerits, how can they get this badge. I see it like a bragging rights and I'm not against for as long as someone deserves it.

What do you mean by still receiving sMerits? Apart from Merit source nobody is getting sMerits now. (forget the airdrop sMerits or sMerits earned by virtue of earned Merits).
Old user also wear the badge according to the Merits earned by them after introduction of merit system. Only the handful of legendary will be able to wear the badge according to their rank.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Assuming the merit system is permanent, and the forum survives for another 10+ years, there will come a point where the airdropped merits are insignificant to all "real" users, and only useful for chronic spammers who are completely unable to earn merit on their own. Everyone will have your new badges except for the worst of the shitposters. I think a neater solution therefore would simply be to either remove the airdropped merits, or have them start to decay slowly over time.

[tranthidung]

therefore would simply be to either remove the airdropped merits, or have them start to decay slowly over time.

That's exactly what I expected other demotions that aim at higher rank members.
By now, the forum has only one demotion wave after merit system's beginning, aim at Junior Members in September last year.
If other demotions aim at Full Members, Senior Members, Heroes, and Ledgendaries implemented, I am sure that we will witness others sudden rises of merit circulations, like what happened in Sep. 2018 or in Jan. 2019 with Default Trust Change.

[The Cryptovator]

Like this idea. Something should be like that for self made members. It's really very hard to become self made Sr/Hero members now a days. For a sign of self made member this idea is appreciated. Also appreciation for them who already ranked up by earned merit. Also those are previously was Legendary but they earned more than 1000 merit they also deserve this kind of badge. It would be appropriated for all earned members. So I think users will more motivate to make constructive post.

[o_e_l_e_o]

That's exactly what I expected other demotions that aim at higher rank members.

Now, that's a whole 'nother question.

Although I think airdropped merit should eventually be removed (either in a "lump-sum" or a slow decay"), I'm less decided on demotions. I'm not sure it's fair to demote legendary members who have been here since 2010/2011 based on a system which was only introduced a year ago. That feels a bit too ex postfacto to me. I appreciate, however, that removing airdropped merit but not ranks would leave some legendary users going about with single-figure merits, which also seems strange. Also, if we removed all airdropped merit and demoted users accordingly, then based on DdmrDdmr's data here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Wl9a_Drl5LWPN3uG6pT3YPIYtkvRkZiGneukzHvVPoA) there would only be 7 legendaries and 28 hero members in the entire forum, which seem equally strange.

[lobcmt2]

Simply requires additional merits beside airdropped ones to maintain ranks.
For example:

Full Members: 110 merits: 100 airdropped merits + 10 earned merits.
Senior Members: 270 merits: 250 airdropped merits + 20 earned merits.
Hero Members: 550 merits: 500 airdropped merits + 50 earned merits.
Ledgendary Members: 1100 merits: 1000 airdropped merits + 100 earned merits.

[lobcmt2]

For service providers, I think they don't care about their ranks in the forum.
Having rights to show images is enough for them.
Additionally, what they care about probably Green Trust, not rank.

So, if complains occur, they will mainly come from others, who can not earn even single merits more than one year after merit system born.

[hugeblack]

that removing airdropped merit but not ranks would leave some legendary users going about with single-figure merits,

The idea is simple. Instead of deleting those *airdropped merits*, it is better to replace the gold coins/badges with the account to silver coins, and then turn them into gold when you get the number assigned to each rank.

I do not think the new shapes that @tranthidung introduced is attractive but the idea is wonderful. There are similar badges for reporting that may appear after April fools.

[Harlot]

This is a good idea but I was thinking that instead of overlaps with the member's badge it would be better that even airdropped users could still earn the silver coins as a "self-made user" by earning merits in the future. So for example a member who is a long time Legendary now has earned 100 merits from his post two of his five gold coins would be converted to two silver ones equal to the rank of a Full member. So still all members have the chance to be self-made even the ones who have high ranks before the merit system.

[kenzawak]

Self-made Hero here so yeah I do like this idea.
And maybe there could also be a badge for Legendaries who have earned more than 1000 merits.

[NeuroticFish]

The idea could be interesting but.. silver?! Bitcoin and Bitcointalk are gold, so I am not convinced by the silver badges.
Also it depends on how much of theymos' time would this take, since I'd rather prefer to see that new forum live someday...

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

As a self-made Full member and potential self-made snr  member, I also don't get why you would give silver (inferior precious metal) to Self-made members and gold to airdrop receivers. Also what will happen to those already with the legendary rank since this can only work out for Jnr - Hero member. Beside that silver looks like we're promoting Litecoin lol

If a change of badge was to be implemented then I suggest, it should be change of badges based on merit received instead of ranks, that way a legendary member only gets the badge when user received 1000merit. It can still be seen as a self made (ranked up member)

[peonminer]

Forgive me for my ignorance, "airdropped" member status? What? I worked my ass off for my hero status and being a trustworthy member. All I know about besides earning it like I did is buying an account... what's an airdropped member? Hmmm... Also, looking forward to getting my LEGENDARY status! Also sorry OP... the silver badges don't look that great compared to the gold IMHO.

[owlcatz]

Forgive me for my ignorance, "airdropped" member status? What? I worked my ass off for my hero status and being a trustworthy member. All I know about besides earning it like I did is buying an account... what's an airdropped member? Hmmm... Also, looking forward to getting my LEGENDARY status! Also sorry OP... the silver badges don't look that great compared to the gold IMHO.

You now need 1000 merit to rank up to legendary, on top of the activity pts.  You were airdropped 500 merit as part being a hero member. Did you miss the introduction of merits to clean up the forum?

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Not too long ago, there was some discussion about some sort of "rank up" signifier in the form of a special title or a tweak in the look of the gold coins or whatever, and there was a lot of interest if I recall correctly.  What happened to all those ideas?  My guess is that they were ultimately discarded by Theymos, that he's not likely to start making the distinction between "self-made" and older Legendaries. 

The last thing we need is identity politics linked to forum rank, but if something had to be done based on this thread I'd say hugeblack has a decent suggestion.

[peonminer]

Forgive me for my ignorance, "airdropped" member status? What? I worked my ass off for my hero status and being a trustworthy member. All I know about besides earning it like I did is buying an account... what's an airdropped member? Hmmm... Also, looking forward to getting my LEGENDARY status! Also sorry OP... the silver badges don't look that great compared to the gold IMHO.

You now need 1000 merit to rank up to legendary, on top of the activity pts.  You were airdropped 500 merit as part being a hero member. Did you miss the introduction of merits to clean up the forum?

I was wondering where I got these 500 merits from lol! Thanks for the clarification. Man. Now I am going to have to work that much harder for my Legendary status. Sweet baby Bitcorn. The honey badger strikes again. At least it helps clean up the forum and promotes solid posting and not shitposting. I am thankful for that.