Bernie or Bust 2020

[Spendulus]

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Free college tuition....
Greece   Yes   Yes, but classes are taught in Greek.....

But lets just ignore this heapload of facts ...

Which of course are not facts, but partial truths and complete lies.

Effectively you can't get a college degree in Greece because every year or two the teachers strike.

But you left those FACTS out, didn't you?

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[coins4commies]

I don't know about that but it you're right, you are cherry picking Greece as an example while ignoring the rest of the 25 countries on the list, where for most, that certainly isn't the case.  This is right out of the playbook though.  Cherry pick extreme examples of places like Greece or Venezuela and ignore all of the most successful countries in the world.

[Spendulus]

I don't know about that but it you're right....

So you don't know about the facts of your own list?

.... you are cherry picking Greece as an example while ignoring the rest of the 25 countries on the list, where for most, that certainly isn't the case.  This is right out of the playbook though.  Cherry pick extreme examples of places like Greece or Venezuela and ignore all of the most successful countries in the world.

Oh really? So you cherry picked a list "OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL COUNTRIES" as far as socialized blah-blah-blah, and I still have an easy time showing the lies and half truths in your list?

I guess that's right. You didn't list South Africa, where socialized medicine is an abject, horrible failure. How many other nightmares did you omit? Venezuela, Ethiopia...

You did cherry pick your list, didn't you? Come on, admit it.

[BADecker]

The only way Bernie might EVER stand a chance of winning is the article, below. But even if it succeeds, the Supreme Court will attempt to collapse it. By the time it is legally accepted, Bernie will be old, and dead, and probably forgotten.


Colorado Moves To Bypass Electoral College To Stop Trump: Will Assign Electoral Votes To Popular Vote Winner

Certain political elements within the United States simply can’t deal with the fact that our Founders created a voting system that ensured limitations on mob rule stemming from a handful of cities throughout the country. To protect the rights of all Americans, including those living in smaller rural counties, they came up with the electoral college, a method by which all Americans from varying backgrounds and ideologies can be represented during a Presidential election.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton officially won the Popular Vote, garnering more total votes than Donald Trump, but because of an Electoral College victory, Trump ultimately became President.

Every time a Republican happens to win a Presidency, Democrats argue that the Electoral College is an archaic election method not representative of a democratic government.

Up until now there was nothing they can do about it, but Colorado has come up with a plan that, at the very least, will likely wind up in front of the U.S. Supreme Court.

[Spendulus]

...Bernie will be old, and dead, and probably forgotten....

Yes he is. But some people still believe in Bernie Bingo.

[coins4commies]

I don't know about that but it you're right....

So you don't know about the facts of your own list?

.... you are cherry picking Greece as an example while ignoring the rest of the 25 countries on the list, where for most, that certainly isn't the case.  This is right out of the playbook though.  Cherry pick extreme examples of places like Greece or Venezuela and ignore all of the most successful countries in the world.

Oh really? So you cherry picked a list "OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL COUNTRIES" as far as socialized blah-blah-blah, and I still have an easy time showing the lies and half truths in your list?

I guess that's right. You didn't list South Africa, where socialized medicine is an abject, horrible failure. How many other nightmares did you omit? Venezuela, Ethiopia...

You did cherry pick your list, didn't you? Come on, admit it.

https://www.edvisors.com/plan-for-college/money-saving-tips/colleges-with-free-tuition/countries-with-free-tuition/
I didn't cherry pick anything i just copy pasted this list.  I don't need to cherry pick because I am arguing on behalf of reality. 

I said the list "includes" the most successful countries but it also includes some not so successful countries.  Its almost as if the success of a nation is not entirely dependent upon whether or not they choose one or 2 policies or don't....Its almost as if there are many more variables at play....

[BADecker]

...Bernie will be old, and dead, and probably forgotten....

Yes he is. But some people still believe in Bernie Bingo.

One of them will take his place.    

[squatz1]

Woah woah woah. Kamala Harris is a neocon? I mean, looking at her platform makes me think that she's a socialist

Her stated platform is meaningless, she's just parroting Sanders etc. in order to appear far left. Her record is authoritarian and rather conservative; see for example https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/08/kamala-harris-trump-obama-california-attorney-general

Dam, this is actually a really good read. Thanks for this Theymos.

Some standout points that I noticed "It should matter to us that Harris, the ardent criminal justice reformer, not only did little to enact this reform during her years as a prosecutor but backed harsh, punitive policies that undermined her own progressive rhetoric on the issue. It should matter that she at times did so needlessly, taking a harsher stance than her right-wing opponents. It should matter that she repeatedly attempted to keep an innocent man locked up in prison and attempted to defend a falsified confession."(Above link)

Though even with this, I don't even think that Harris is just lying about her policies. I think she's the type of person who changes their policies when they're elected, she'll do her own thing in office but will promise you the world when she's trying to get elected. I don't think she has any beliefs, I think she's a selfish person who only cares about her looking good enough to get elected. I can't think of the word that describes people like this, though there is a word to describe a politican like this.

She's someone who will stop at nothing to win, and will change her views like a pancake. Flip-floppily if you will.

She is without a doubt the most dangerous type of politician. As you don't know what they'll when they gain substantial power.

[Spendulus]

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She is without a doubt the most dangerous type of politician. As you don't know what they'll when they gain substantial power.

At least you've spotted it, instead of being fooled.

But I'm not sure that's all accurate.

Isn't the true ideologue in politics is far more dangerous?

[mOgliE]

Effectively you can't get a college degree in Greece because every year or two the teachers strike.

Yeah exactly.

And did you know that 10% of French die every week because of the strikes too?

I mean as it seems you like to just fabricate shit like a buzzfeed writer why not go even further?

[Spendulus]

Effectively you can't get a college degree in Greece because every year or two the teachers strike.

Yeah exactly.

And did you know that 10% of French die every week because of the strikes too?

I mean as it seems you like to just fabricate shit like a buzzfeed writer why not go even further?

No. That's from friends I have in Greece.

[r1s2g3]

It is not Trump who won the elections,It was Hillary who lost the elections. Results might be different if bernie had contested in lieu of Hillary.
Anyone here who think Trump will get another 4 years?

[Spendulus]

It is not Trump who won the elections,It was Hillary who lost the elections. Results might be different if bernie had contested in lieu of Hillary.
Anyone here who think Trump will get another 4 years?

Yes he'll get another four years. And if Bingo Bernie had stayed in there would have been more split between him and Hillary, and Trump would have won by a larger percentage.

[Daniel91]

It is not Trump who won the elections,It was Hillary who lost the elections. Results might be different if bernie had contested in lieu of Hillary.
Anyone here who think Trump will get another 4 years?

I even think that democrats stole elections from Bernie.
It was obvious that people wants real change and between Hillary and Trump, of course Trump was real change, not Hillary.
But, if democrats gave real chance to Bernie, than I think that election result could be very different.
Of course, we will never know.
Now, I'm not sure if Bernie still have still the same charisma and energy like in the last presidential elections.

[Spendulus]

.....Of course, we will never know.
Now, I'm not sure if Bernie still have still the same charisma and energy like in the last presidential elections.

I'll comment on that as sort of an outside spectator.

I only know one individual personally who thought Bernie had "charisma and energy." Almost all thought of him as a tired, washed up old man, babbling stale socialist concepts we've all heard before.

Sure, in some places, college students and other young people may not have heard of those ideas before, and they might have thought they were great ideas. But that's a very small percentage of the electorate.

Most people though of him as a joke, and knew Hillary was going to crush him.

[Spendulus]

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But, if democrats gave real chance to Bernie, than I think that election result could be very different.
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Sure. It'd be the most resounding defeat for a party in US presidential history. Just check this recent survey out...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-wsj-poll-2020-race-will-be-uphill-trump-n978331


....The NBC/WSJ poll also tested 11 different presidential characteristics.

The most popular: An African American (a combined 87 percent of all voters say they are “enthusiastic” or “comfortable” with that characteristic), a white man (86 percent), a woman (84 percent), and someone who is gay or lesbian (68 percent — up from 43 percent in 2006).

The least popular: ....someone over the age of75 (37 percent) and a socialist (25 percent).


so go ahead, push hard for an old white socialist guy.....

[coins4commies]

the poll is bullshit because they didn't define "socialist".   Wouldn't expect better from MSNBC Its a good thing that bullshit poll doesn't work anything like the way people get to know candidates in an election.  Look at this
http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

[Spendulus]

the poll is bullshit because they didn't define "socialist".   Wouldn't expect better from MSNBC Its a good thing that bullshit poll doesn't work anything like the way people get to know candidates in an election.  Look at this
http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

You think the poll is bullshit because you don't like the results.

Your poll on the other hand, leads the surveyed to a conclusion of your liking. This is called faulty and biased survey design. Yes I've had a job designing surveys scientifically to eliminate bias.

[TECSHARE]

the poll is bullshit because they didn't define "socialist".   Wouldn't expect better from MSNBC Its a good thing that bullshit poll doesn't work anything like the way people get to know candidates in an election.  Look at this
http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

They didn't have to define "Socialist", because Socialism has a firm definition for anyone... except for Socialists who define it as anything great that has nothing to do with actual Socialism.

[Daniel91]

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But, if democrats gave real chance to Bernie, than I think that election result could be very different.
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Sure. It'd be the most resounding defeat for a party in US presidential history. Just check this recent survey out...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-wsj-poll-2020-race-will-be-uphill-trump-n978331


....The NBC/WSJ poll also tested 11 different presidential characteristics.

The most popular: An African American (a combined 87 percent of all voters say they are “enthusiastic” or “comfortable” with that characteristic), a white man (86 percent), a woman (84 percent), and someone who is gay or lesbian (68 percent — up from 43 percent in 2006).

The least popular: ....someone over the age of75 (37 percent) and a socialist (25 percent).


so go ahead, push hard for an old white socialist guy.....

Thank you for this info.
I agree with you, Bernie had some chance 4 years ago but now is time for democrats to try with some new, younger person, with a new ideas and energy.
It seems that already many democrats are preparing for the presidential elections so it will be interesting to see who will be winner and face Trump on the end.