Shouldn't the goal be no work

[angel55]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

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[BADecker]

I'm waiting for the day when robots take over all the jobs. We can all go on Welfare, and collect 10 times as much, because the robots will make all their own parts from raw materials for free.

We can travel the world, and there won't be any reason for us to have enemies, because all people will be included in the self-sufficiency the robots give us.

BTW, the robots don't have to be made to be able to think in ways where they might turn against us. They could even have safeguards built in so that we could stop them on a moment's notice.

[Jet Cash]

They are working towards that now. The only problem is that they want to get rid of 80% of the population ( Bill Gates stated ambition ). Do you want to be in the 80%?

[BADecker]

^^^ Bill Gates is quite smart. But he needs a large population to get genius thinkers to develop things that robots won't be able to develop easily. Why? Because so few people are geniuses.

[Initscri]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

I actually don't think it's a smart idea for humans to work 0 hours. It's highly against our biology/evolution as a species.

[boyptc]

They are working towards that now. The only problem is that they want to get rid of 80% of the population ( Bill Gates stated ambition ). Do you want to be in the 80%?

I've heard of this, oh my, I don't want to be part of that 80%.

Money will work for the people and everything is set. Lives will be easier as that's the main goal of technology and innovation to our lives.

[OgNasty]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

Watch the movie Idiocracy.  That's my best argument for why this shouldn't be our goal.

[peonminer]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

Watch the movie Idiocracy.  That's my best argument for why this shouldn't be our goal.

Precisely. Universal basic income is one thing, that is being explored by a good amount of respectable research platforms. Making the entire human race a giant blob of leisure would eventually crumble and become the opposite of self sufficient. Even the robots would become lazy. Eventually there would be some sort of revolt about equality, etc. Have you ever read or watched 1984? Same concept. Everyone must adhere to certain boundaries to be a part of society. The boundaries set by "NO WORK" would just be unheard of and wouldn't stick. Someone, somewhere, would try to take two pieces of pie, instead of one. If they have the means to take it, they should be able to. Or at least be able to work up to it. Even if fiat fails and crypto becomes the new fiat, we will still conduct transactions, people will still try to take more resources than the next person to secure a better place in the world. It'll never end. Heck, even the robots will be advanced enough in their AI by then that they will be trying to put us out of work and call for "robots' rights" so that they may do all of the things we are able to do.

[BADecker]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

Watch the movie Idiocracy.  That's my best argument for why this shouldn't be our goal.

Precisely. Universal basic income is one thing, that is being explored by a good amount of respectable research platforms. Making the entire human race a giant blob of leisure would eventually crumble and become the opposite of self sufficient. Even the robots would become lazy. Eventually there would be some sort of revolt about equality, etc. Have you ever read or watched 1984? Same concept. Everyone must adhere to certain boundaries to be a part of society. The boundaries set by "NO WORK" would just be unheard of and wouldn't stick. Someone, somewhere, would try to take two pieces of pie, instead of one. If they have the means to take it, they should be able to. Or at least be able to work up to it. Even if fiat fails and crypto becomes the new fiat, we will still conduct transactions, people will still try to take more resources than the next person to secure a better place in the world. It'll never end. Heck, even the robots will be advanced enough in their AI by then that they will be trying to put us out of work and call for "robots' rights" so that they may do all of the things we are able to do.

Now you are talking sports. Sports will never end... at least as long as sports people don't have to work for a living. All you are saying is that people would partake of work as a sport of some kind, if they didn't need the money or work-upkeep.

[peonminer]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

Watch the movie Idiocracy.  That's my best argument for why this shouldn't be our goal.

Precisely. Universal basic income is one thing, that is being explored by a good amount of respectable research platforms. Making the entire human race a giant blob of leisure would eventually crumble and become the opposite of self sufficient. Even the robots would become lazy. Eventually there would be some sort of revolt about equality, etc. Have you ever read or watched 1984? Same concept. Everyone must adhere to certain boundaries to be a part of society. The boundaries set by "NO WORK" would just be unheard of and wouldn't stick. Someone, somewhere, would try to take two pieces of pie, instead of one. If they have the means to take it, they should be able to. Or at least be able to work up to it. Even if fiat fails and crypto becomes the new fiat, we will still conduct transactions, people will still try to take more resources than the next person to secure a better place in the world. It'll never end. Heck, even the robots will be advanced enough in their AI by then that they will be trying to put us out of work and call for "robots' rights" so that they may do all of the things we are able to do.

Now you are talking sports. Sports will never end... at least as long as sports people don't have to work for a living. All you are saying is that people would partake of work as a sport of some kind, if they didn't need the money or work-upkeep.

Sorry decker. You're wrong again.

The word we were looking for on today's game show of

"CAN DECKER FINALLY MAKE ANY SENSE???!!!"

was

CAPITALISM

[KingScorpio]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

i think that will end soon,

with state and universities losing their financial monopole, we might end up in a dark age soon...

regards

[Mometaskers]

Work (whatever the individual defines it) is also important for mental well-being. Granted not having to work for money, many people would still do something they feel passionate about.

Ideally it'll all be nice like in Star Trek but there are so many ways this can go wrong. Financial freedom equals economic freedom. If you are entirely dependent on the state for everything, what do you think will happen when you dissent?

Precisely. Universal basic income is one thing, that is being explored by a good amount of respectable research platforms. Making the entire human race a giant blob of leisure would eventually crumble and become the opposite of self sufficient. 

LOL I suddenly thought of Wall-e. At least the AI was benevolent.

[mOgliE]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  

yep but that can't be done under a capitalistic system.

The very basis of capitalism is NOT the productivity but the capital productivity.
So what incentive could the capitalists have to reduce the amount of worl on a global scale? Isn't it better to abuse this productivity by telling everyone "hey, there are less jobs now. You gotta decrease the salaries and the workers protections otherwise I won't give you this job".

And that's what happens.

[sheenshane]

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An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

Resources are the things that matter for us to reach our goals in innovation. Employment will soon be gone once the artificial intelligence technology dominates. There are a lot of things to consider in innovation and much more scares us to face it. Someday the people will no longer become a hard labor employee and the economics will demand more from people.

AI are the things that prove robots could dominate the earth and will challenge to mankind. It is really scary if the robot has been developed so much.

[Deadly050]

The goal should be for the happiness of everyone. No one should be forced to work so that they won't starve. Let everyone do what they love as long they are not hurting anyone.

[BADecker]

No one should be forced to work so that they won't starve.

But working so that you won't starve, is only the tiny part of what keeps you alive.

Mark 4:26-29:

26He also said, “This is what the kingdom of God is like. A man scatters seed on the ground. 27Night and day, whether he sleeps or gets up, the seed sprouts and grows, though he does not know how. 28All by itself the soil produces grain—first the stalk, then the head, then the full kernel in the head. 29As soon as the grain is ripe, he puts the sickle to it, because the harvest has come.”

[zhekinsp]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

When we enter into the era where no human were need to work then how the people who were working now will survive their life just get into charity and pass their life in that condition?

But this time will come in the few next generation which might bring an end to the human era.

[BADecker]

Now you are talking sports. Sports will never end... at least as long as sports people don't have to work for a living. All you are saying is that people would partake of work as a sport of some kind, if they didn't need the money or work-upkeep.

Sorry decker. You're wrong again.

The word we were looking for on today's game show of

"CAN DECKER FINALLY MAKE ANY SENSE???!!!"

You haven't figured out, yet, have you, that most people who play sports do it for the fun of it. You really need to (or not) wake up and think. If robots supplied everything, the work that people did would be something that they did for fun. It would be sports for them.

[omonuyak]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

I do agree with you sir.  The goal should be really not working.  The world is full with technological intelligence that can reduce the time we actually work and how we can live in abundance.

[Spendulus]

Productivity continues to increase and we will see even greater improvements as technology gets even better.  Shouldn't the end goal be for humans to work less?  The monetary system truly doesn't matter, what matters is the amount of resources we have.  An economic crash doesn't just magically take away the natural resources we have.  If one person could press a button and produce all the things we make now that should be the goal.

Watch the movie Idiocracy.  That's my best argument for why this shouldn't be our goal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJIjoE27F-Q