Community opinion on Signature campaign spreadsheets

[lemipawa]

Can you elaborate more? How can somebody, using the information from the signature spreadsheet, do a scam attacks?

One can wear a signature and go to the Lending section and ask for a no collateral loan and promises payment will be given once payment for campaign is received. Lenders can't verify since spreadsheet is not available publicly. That's all i can think of.

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[Slow death]

I voted " yes " because of this:

I believe that since the website is using the bitcointalk platform to advertise their website, that all information regarding the campaign should be made public. This will help the reporters to keep an eye on participants applying for and being accepted into signature campaigns.

[poptok1]

I have voted ''yes'' and here is why;
Looking through publicly available sheet gives option to check other people post quality up.
There are usually links to members profile, so I can easily access history of theirs and spy on them 
Obviously not for entertainment reasons but rather to expose horrible posters to manager.
As you may know, some of the managers can gratify the spotter, even if it's only with merit point, I think it's worth the trouble.
So far I did what I just described twice, as most of the time I struggle with remorse for acting like a rat...
If not overused, informing may prove itself useful, not only for the manager himself.

[TheBeardedBaby]

Yes.

Just because sometimes you can see your own name there and unknown address next to it. So if you have the time you can investigate that guy and kick his ass for cheating in bounties.

Often it's easy to catch bounty cheaters, with same telegram, twitter, addresses etc.
On the other hand when you have a public spreadsheet, if you want to revenge on someone it's easy to register just another account with his Twitter name and kick him off the bounty for cheating.

After all it's better to have overview over the members and shares for sure.

[coinlocket$]

@yahoo I will explain the probable ring found on your campaigns and I think you should never pick these users again since they apply almost always and only on the same campaigns, who know how many others account this ring have if he can park a ton of senior accounts... I will try to find more about them him but it is hard and It takes a lot of time.

Red Flag 1: If we look here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4505960.msg42467396#msg42467396 we can find consecutive posts from senior members that now have no signature


Red Flag 2: they use all a 3xxxxxx wallet and this is a Xapo.com wallet (yeah this can be circumstantial evidence) https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Xapo.com?from_address=36TeFLUM41JJ45oGJbvqNT7kdfdMcs2oYs

Now what we can do? Looking on their post history and investigate with spreadsheets!

Proton2233   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=999563   3HDWQDS82Hnz7oCQBKRzuutiDqmZoXrp6c
Lampaster   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=999970   34iUxR4azr93p9gnpetSKS6hPTuWbSpN89
Kronos21   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1002310   3Mp8nz913V9YJGWfd4SD6E51jB4XYLD7uK
warrior333   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=999500   3NcnXBrvmG6tWKjqFwizkJw2a6jWBA5znk
Basmic   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=999503   3HXNrUxVcB6WQ8V5iuHrhKg188br8L6pyr
matuson   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=999573   36TeFLUM41JJ45oGJbvqNT7kdfdMcs2oYs

Everyone applied on Moxo bounty signature

Proton2233 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4505960.msg42467396#msg42467396
Lampaster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4505960.msg42467777#msg42467777
Kronos21   https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4505960.msg42468174#msg42468174
warrior333 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4505960.msg42468479#msg42468479
Basmic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4505960.msg42468685#msg42468685
matuson https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4505960.msg42469419#msg42469419

5/6 Applied on eroiy

Proton2233 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg28978835#msg28978835
Lampaster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg28976918#msg28976918
Kronos21 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg28977211#msg28977211
warrior333
Basmic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg28977863#msg28977863
matuson https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827626.msg28978521#msg28978521

5/6 Applied on Viberate

Proton2233 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047474.msg21184188#msg21184188
Lampaster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047474.msg21170208#msg21170208
Kronos21 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047474.msg21175050#msg21175050
warrior333 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047474.msg21183963#msg21183963
Basmic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047474.msg21115310#msg21115310
matuson

6/6 Applied on Dimicoin

Proton2233 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1987330.msg19799476#msg19799476
Lampaster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1987330.msg19791516#msg19791516
Kronos21 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1987330.msg19803988#msg19803988
warrior333 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1987330.msg19791396#msg19791396
Basmic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1987330.msg19791479#msg19791479
matuson https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1987330.msg19791479#msg19791479

5/6 on Let's Think About the Future | Signature Campaign | (All Ranks Welcome)
Proton2233 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1560376.msg19518950#msg19518950
Lampaster https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1560376.msg19519058#msg19519058
Kronos21
warrior333 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1560376.msg19519323#msg19519323
Basmic https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1560376.msg19519207#msg19519207
matuson https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1560376.msg19519207#msg19519207

Do you think it is casual? I guess no...

Now for last things, we can look at the addresses to find some errors from the abuser like transfers after signature payments or same address transfer even this can prove nothing since the addresses are on Xapo.com wallet https://www.walletexplorer.com/wallet/Xapo.com?from_address=36TeFLUM41JJ45oGJbvqNT7kdfdMcs2oYs
 


https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/34iUxR4azr93p9gnpetSKS6hPTuWbSpN89

https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/3Mp8nz913V9YJGWfd4SD6E51jB4XYLD7uK

https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/3NcnXBrvmG6tWKjqFwizkJw2a6jWBA5znk[/color

https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/3HXNrUxVcB6WQ8V5iuHrhKg188br8L6pyr

https://www.blockchain.com/it/btc/address/36TeFLUM41JJ45oGJbvqNT7kdfdMcs2oYs


Do you think this is casual?

This is why the spreadsheet should be always public.

[leonair]

Voted Yes, anyone can wear the avatar and signature of any campaign so it will serve for the public to know who's the real participants and being transparent is one of the best characteristic that can build trust to the company from the public.

Showing the spreadsheet of signature campaigns was the norm in this forum and up until now so why hide it if you're a new sig. campaign, for the privacy of the participants?  .

[Patatas]

Voted Yes, anyone can wear the avatar and signature of any campaign so it will serve for the public to know who's the real participants and being transparent is one of the best characteristic that can build trust to the company from the public.

Why would anyone want to advertise a service for free? It used to happen when people tried selling their accounts using BitMixer.io signatures where the payouts were good. I doubt anyone will fall for that since merits clearly show how good of a poster that person is.

Showing the spreadsheet of signature campaigns was the norm in this forum and up until now so why hide it if you're a new sig. campaign, for the privacy of the participants?  .

Not really, there have been many campaigns where post counts and payouts were linked to the service they were using or were automated in some way.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I voted yes. I also have a question,

As majority of voters have voted yes (including reputed users) can this be translated into a factor to consider before joining a paid signature campaign?. If the community believe making spreadsheet public is very important should users be discourage from joining campaigns that don't publicize their spreadsheets.

Sorry reply is kinda off but I need answer so I can update this thread: Factors to consider before joining paid signature campaigns.

[Rabbot]

Before joining, I would like to see at least the total number of participants, so I vote YES.

[HCP]

Also from the spreadsheet, there is a possible chance to detect scammer for joining the signature campaign with alter accounts.

There are some users who like to search for possible scams or double accounts and this can help the manager.

I voted " yes " because of this:

I believe that since the website is using the bitcointalk platform to advertise their website, that all information regarding the campaign should be made public. This will help the reporters to keep an eye on participants applying for and being accepted into signature campaigns.

I never understood why there is such a fervour amongst some here to try and detect all the so-called "campaign abusers"... when they are not even part of the management of the campaigns... and then I read this:

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As you may know, some of the managers can gratify the spotter, even if it's only with merit point, I think it's worth the trouble.
So far I did what I just described twice, as most of the time I struggle with remorse for acting like a rat...
If not overused, informing may prove itself useful, not only for the manager himself.

"We're doing it to help the manager/for the good of the forum"

I am not a fan of regulating companies in telling them how to run their business. They can run it as they see fit, and if they wish to make their private information public they can, and if they don't they shouldn't be forced to.

I agree with this.

Bounty managers do not _have_ to make the spreadsheet public, but it provides a degree of transparency and credibility if they do. All problems that arise from doing so can be resolved on the forum, also in public.

And also this.


Basically, there is no rule (and in my opinion there shouldn't be one) that says a manager should be forced to make spreadsheets public... However, as nutildah mentions, by doing this, they offer a certain level of transparency regarding the campaign and the way it is being managed, which could help protect themselves in the case of any disagreements.

If you don't like the way a manager chooses to conduct their business, then don't do business with them... that's your choice. Just like it is their choice whether or not they choose to make a spreadsheet public (or even have a spreadsheet in the first place!)

[BlackMambaPH]

I voted "Yes" of course. Because we all know that some might abuse those campaign they manage and for some reason, they only private those spreadsheets to have free advertising (IMO) or more than about that. This is one of there marketing strategy. Also, they will not let you know that you are accepted sometimes when you applied in a signature campaign you'll be the one to look at the spreadsheet. If you don't check that you're accepted or not the free advertising will work.

[sheenshane]

I voted "yes" option.
For me, it really helps if spreadsheet must on the public because of not all manager's know who's participants abusing or not on the project that they manage. With the help of the "forum police" through investigating spreadsheet they can to identify those abusers participants using through their alts which is against the rule here in the forum. Since we are trustworthy here I think a hidden spreadsheet is just like untrustworthy IMO.

I saw Bounty Campaign manager that manage the projects here who's not showing the spreadsheet as a public, in that case, we didn't see who's abusing the project, the manager or the participants either.

[HCP]

I also have a question,

My question still unanswered.

As majority of voters have voted yes (including reputed users) can this be translated into a factor to consider before joining a paid signature campaign?. If the community believe making spreadsheet public is very important should users be discourage from joining campaigns that don't publicize their spreadsheets.

I would go ahead and say Why? If users which to join campaigns that don't have public spreadsheets... that is their choice. Just like I believe it is the choice of the campaign manager (and/or campaign owner) to decide whether or not the spreadsheet should be public (or even exist... who knows, maybe they do it all on napkins, post-its and old receipts )

I have a question (or three) for you... There are a lot of "it helps stop campaign abuse" claims being made here, but why should the general public care? Should that not be the campaign manager's responsibility to "police" their campaign? Isn't that what they're being paid to do?

I still don't understand why it is that people who have no vested interest in these campaigns get so worked up about so-called campaign abusers... it's akin to wandering around a random store trying to catch shoplifters like some sort of voluntary store security!!?!

[Crypto-DesignService]

No.

Campaign managers role is to check the project he is managing for any possible abuse of the users, it is not the job of a normal user.
Such information should only be made public if there are complaints about the Campaign manager not doing their job properly.
It makes Campaign managers vulnerable as it feels like they are being investigated/monitored even though there are no existing complaints.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I still don't understand why it is that people who have no vested interest in these campaigns get so worked up about so-called campaign abusers... it's akin to wandering around a random store trying to catch shoplifters like some sort of voluntary store security!!?!

Before now the motivation was to gain reputation as signature abusers busters but now they have another motivation earn merit. Let me use your example to explain better consider the stores owner decided to pay a prize to those who catch shoplifters, that's exactly what's happening in the forum. When you bust signature abusers you gain either ruptation or merit.

[Avirunes]

I still don't understand why it is that people who have no vested interest in these campaigns get so worked up about so-called campaign abusers... it's akin to wandering around a random store trying to catch shoplifters like some sort of voluntary store security!!?!

Before now the motivation was to gain reputation as signature abusers busters but now they have another motivation earn merit. Let me use your example to explain better consider the stores owner decided to pay a prize to those who catch shoplifters, that's exactly what's happening in the forum. When you bust signature abusers you gain either ruptation or merit.

I find it shocking that there are people who think we are doing is because of some reputation/or feedbacks  or some merit. I've never expected to receive merits or feedbacks while dropping reports.

If people feel that way and its something that is a problem that we need to consider at this point then I will stop making such reports as it is getting more like an abuse of some sorts maybe?  


I earlier also faced this kind of discussion and yet it pops up again. You are free to PM me anytime what you think about me and my investigations that I do.

[Lauda]

Unless there is something shady going on, I don't see a valid reason for hiding them.

[coinlocket$]

Before now the motivation was to gain reputation as signature abusers busters but now they have another motivation earn merit. Let me use your example to explain better consider the stores owner decided to pay a prize to those who catch shoplifters, that's exactly what's happening in the forum. When you bust signature abusers you gain either ruptation or merit.

Sure man, Avirunes is legendary and with green trust from years and he is keeping doing it for merit and trust, cmon man accept the fact that some users do this because they like it, don't whine on other people especially if you here are the only one who brags for his merit https://puu.sh/CVGwW/13e5851b17.png

OT: yahoo I've added 2 more probable accounts on the ring on your signatures, I will look more but I don't think they are more on this ring. Here the others 2 accounts https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2544574.msg50015055#msg50015055

[pixie85]

Yes it should be public especially if the campaign manager is also a poster.

It makes it harder for the manager to hire his own alts and cheat.
Serves as a proof that counting and paying is being done properly and on time.
Allows members to check on their status in the campaign and see warnings and statistics.
Makes it easy to see when a member resigns or gets red trust or gets banned. This can be important if you're waiting for a spot.

[HabBear]

Answer to your question: Yes, make them public. The community should be able to view into who's getting paid what as a measure for monitoring spam.

As for Stake, i think it's even more important because what they're running is essentially a lottery. Whose to know if the Stake campaign admin is just paying off friends or alt accounts without the transparency.

This poll has been created due to Stake.com Signature campaign. I believe that since the website is using the bitcointalk platform to advertise their website, that all information regarding the campaign should be made public.

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All that said...this forum is mostly "fuck all" on rules. Anyone can do almost anything they want so long as they don't do it to someone more powerful, at which point they get punished (regardless of whether their actions warranted said punishment).