Off grid Bitcoin

[Jet Cash]

I started a thread about the first ham radio transaction using the Lightning netwoork, and how that could help us to make Bitcoin transfers without access to the Internet. The recent loss of Internet access in much of Venezuela has brought this topic to the fore again, and it seems there are other solutions. One of which is txTenna -
https://github.com/MuleTools/txTenna

I rhink that this is something that we should be discussing in Bitcoin  Talk, and I would be interested in being a part of any project that may be started here.

[YuginKadoya]

This is an interesting topic indeed and I think a lot will surely want to transfer his cryptocurrency into another platform without the use of the internet, And I think it is downloadable in this site https://txtenna.com/

Well it will sure broadcast your transaction by SMS and I really think this is surely targeting a lot of consumers using only a mobile device to make a transaction just like in Digital money transfer, And you will surely need to buy a Gotenna Mesh device for this transaction to work, And you will need to find other Meshers in your area to make a transaction because this network is people-powered,

[muslol67]

I started a thread about the first ham radio transaction using the Lightning netwoork, and how that could help us to make Bitcoin transfers without access to the Internet. The recent loss of Internet access in much of Venezuela has brought this topic to the fore again, and it seems there are other solutions. One of which is txTenna -
https://github.com/MuleTools/txTenna

I rhink that this is something that we should be discussing in Bitcoin  Talk, and I would be interested in being a part of any project that may be started here.

Except for Bitcoin, I've heard of a few more projects. I will follow the development and the discussions in Github. I feel like going to Bitcoin and the future will be very nice.

[Infinite27]

BITCOIN in the future will take 10x steps, transaction will sent via SMS is very interesting project.

[Herbert2020]

these are all great additional projects that are popping up these days.
but one of the problems that i always see in them is the lack of trust. for example when you are using bitcoin, you are using a trust-less network. you just get all the blocks and verify them yourself, broadcast everything and are a part of the network. but when you use something like this (SMS in this case) you have to trust the receiver is actually going to broadcast your transaction and this can only work for the case when you are only sending coins, you can never trust something like that for receiving coins!

[franky1]

issues with ham radio LN
it takes many messages to complete the payment
the payment is just a handshake between 2 users and not a settled transaction.

also ham radio is not like phone calls where its just 1-to-1 private comms.. but broadcast out to the wide area of multiple listeners. utilising ham radio for LN seems odd

however that said
because ham radio is a 1-to-many comms (broadcast)
using it to send an ACTUAL bitcoin transaction out to the world where then anyone hearing it can then forward it on to a pool. would help.

but simply using up a ham radio frequency just for hand shaking payments between two specific users is not really using the transmission method wisely

[gentlemand]

I can't see this being anything other than a purely academic exercise. If the internet itself is gone then most people will be scratching at their own skin having been denied the ability to upload their duckfaces. They're not going to care about BTC.

I suppose there might be one person every square hundred miles with access to ham radio or the necessary satellite gear.

[Leonardo7]

There is a project called transfix, was introduced to it by a friend, they promise to make bitcoin sendable without the internet. I had to leave their telegram group because they always asking people to bu their ICO, and too many HYIP about the token sales. Sometimes, I get bad network making it extremely difficult for me to carry out my daily crypto activities. The internet affected my bitcoin peer trading because of a bad network, I would sometimes just sleep off in frustration. I look forward to such a project that would enable me to send bitcoin without the internet.

[Bitcoin-Turkiye]

I was very excited when I saw bitcoin was recently sent by radio frequency.. This is a revolution if bitcoin submissions can be with sms.. Thank you to be involved in this project.. I'm reviewing txTenna github..

[leonair]

Is this really a thing? It seems that we are learning backwards here.

I know Internet outage is possible but it's like hacking 51% of the Bitcoin network, just my perspective though. Please enlighten me.

[mk4]

Is this really a thing? It seems that we are learning backwards here.

I know Internet outage is possible but it's like hacking 51% of the Bitcoin network, just my perspective though. Please enlighten me.

How is being able to transact with your bitcoin through SMS a bad thing? It might not be the ideal option for you, but having that option is definitely a good thing.

Also, how is a country having an internet outage "like hacking 51% of the Bitcoin network"? Whatever you mean by "hacking 51% of the network".

[chrisjohny4316]

Yes Bitcoin mining offgrid is a good piece of cake for all of you I wish it works..

[Kakmakr]

I think there a multiple other options available when the Internet goes down. Most mobile operators run their own networks via Cell phone towers, so you will still be able to use their network to transfer messages. <Bitcoin can be transferred from one person to the next, if you send a simple text message with a Bitcoin address and a private key> Obviously this will not be send together or as a complete private key.

They can also swap out paper wallets, if they are really that desperate. <Similar to cash>    <Using Satellite access for single point validation> 

[leonair]

Is this really a thing? It seems that we are learning backwards here.

I know Internet outage is possible but it's like hacking 51% of the Bitcoin network, just my perspective though. Please enlighten me.

How is being able to transact with your bitcoin through SMS a bad thing? It might not be the ideal option for you, but having that option is definitely a good thing.

Also, how is a country having an internet outage "like hacking 51% of the Bitcoin network"? Whatever you mean by "hacking 51% of the network".

I didn't said that it's a bad thing though, what I'm trying to imply was why do we need to use version 1.0 if there's already a stable version 2.0

can you accept hyperbole?

[pranaja]

There has been a lot of speculation about this topic and community members have begun to try to imagine what would happen to Bitcoin if Internet connectivity was turned off. But miraculously, transactions using Bitcoin can still be done even without an internet connection. Some companies suggest Bitcoin users to send Bitcoin via SMS from third party bitcoin wallets

[mk4]

I didn't said that it's a bad thing though, what I'm trying to imply was why do we need to use version 1.0 if there's already a stable version 2.0

Can you expound further what you're referring to with "version 1.0" and "version 2.0"? Enlighten me.

[leonair]

I didn't said that it's a bad thing though, what I'm trying to imply was why do we need to use version 1.0 if there's already a stable version 2.0

Can you expound further what you're referring to with "version 1.0" and "version 2.0"? Enlighten me.

An older technology and a new one. Do you always take things literally?

[Jet Cash]

The problem doesn't seem to be the transfer of a payment instruction, but the checking to ensure that it isn't an attempted double spend. If one is prepared to accept confirmation times of a day or more ( less than the time taken to confirm a Visa payment ), then many of the slow communication methods become viable.

[mk4]

An older technology and a new one. Do you always take things literally?

I wasn't asking about the literal meaning. I was making sure if you were referring to 1.0 as radio signals and 2.0 as the internet. If so, my point still stands. Having the option to transact through other means is a good thing. Though using radio signals/SMS might be "learning backwards" to you, then for the Venezuelans, it's not; it's pretty much their only option right now. It's easy to say such things if you're living comfortably in a country with a decent economy.

[arbiter5]

Is this really a thing? It seems that we are learning backwards here.

I know Internet outage is possible but it's like hacking 51% of the Bitcoin network, just my perspective though. Please enlighten me.

Ain't it quite egoistic and selfish that we ignore other solutions just because most of us here won't be using these alternative solutions besides the Venezuelans? These things are being developed for when bad events such as the Venezuelan blackout. If anything, now is a good time to talk about these technologies as so we are more ready whenever these "bad events" occur on other countries/cities on the future. Though I hope not.