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March 14, 2019, 07:32:14 PM
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Yeah, many of us here want to start crypto mining but the major problem we have is the power
And we all know about the Tesla Powerwall 2 which is one of the best lithium-ion batteries out there.
My mining farm is going to be fully solar powered using Tesla batteries. any advice is welcome.

I want to build something like this...



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March 14, 2019, 09:30:57 PM
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Take a look at my Green Energy Project: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.0

I'm doing something similar with a Powerwall 2 and some solar/wind/man energy.  I must say though, without the grid it would be very difficult to keep these powered a majority of the time.  The Powerwall 2 has 13.5 kWh of power storage.  Lets say you get 10 hours a day of sunlight, which leaves 14 hours of the day needing to be powered by the Powerwall 2.  A single 2080 ti would use around 5 kWh during that period.  This means you would likely only be able to power 2-3 2080 ti gpus per Powerwall 2.  For 50 of them, you'd be looking at >17 Powerwalls 2s to keep them running off the grid.  You'd also need to produce >400 kWh of solar electricity per day.  A solar system that size would likely cost you more than $200,000, with another $120,000 for the Powerwall 2s and another $65,000 for the GPUs. 

It can definitely be done, but you're looking at spending over $400,000 before you figure in the costs of cooling and space to fit all those solar panels and Powerwalls.  Seems like a lot of effort and risk for $45/day in income. 

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March 15, 2019, 08:45:19 PM
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Welcome to the other side brother, explore Jehu's youtube and educate yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/user/jehugarcia 


"Tesla Batteries" could pertain to a variety of differently spec Lithium Ion cells, most likely your referencing the 18650
https://www.google.com/search?q=lithion+18650&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS717US717&oq=lithion+18650&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.5735j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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March 15, 2019, 08:48:45 PM
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Yeah, many of us here want to start crypto mining but the major problem we have is the power
And we all know about the Tesla Powerwall 2 which is one of the best lithium-ion batteries out there.
My mining farm is going to be fully solar powered using Tesla batteries. any advice is welcome.

I want to build something like this...





look up the industrial tesla batteries , the powerwall will barely power one ring , you need industrial storage
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March 19, 2019, 07:31:04 PM
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Take a look at my Green Energy Project: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1783328.0

I'm doing something similar with a Powerwall 2 and some solar/wind/man energy.  I must say though, without the grid it would be very difficult to keep these powered a majority of the time.  The Powerwall 2 has 13.5 kWh of power storage.  Lets say you get 10 hours a day of sunlight, which leaves 14 hours of the day needing to be powered by the Powerwall 2.  A single 2080 ti would use around 5 kWh during that period.  This means you would likely only be able to power 2-3 2080 ti gpus per Powerwall 2.  For 50 of them, you'd be looking at >17 Powerwalls 2s to keep them running off the grid.  You'd also need to produce >400 kWh of solar electricity per day.  A solar system that size would likely cost you more than $200,000, with another $120,000 for the Powerwall 2s and another $65,000 for the GPUs.  

It can definitely be done, but you're looking at spending over $400,000 before you figure in the costs of cooling and space to fit all those solar panels and Powerwalls.  Seems like a lot of effort and risk for $45/day in income.  

For power, I found: https://www.tesvolt.com/en/tps.html

1. Tesvolt Lithium Battery Storage 500 kWh TLC 500
2. Tesvolt Lithium Battery Storage 1MWh TLC 1000

PowerWalls can't deliver enough energy to my farm.
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March 19, 2019, 08:27:26 PM
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I've run these numbers before.  'OgNasty' is correct.  You would need AT LEAST $500,000 in solar alone (not including batteries) for your 50x 1080ti setup to be 100% run on solar.  Could even run you higher (~$1million).   Good luck.  ROI > 30 years.
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March 20, 2019, 11:05:04 AM
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I've run these numbers before.  'OgNasty' is correct.  You would need AT LEAST $500,000 in solar alone (not including batteries) for your 50x 1080ti setup to be 100% run on solar.  Could even run you higher (~$1million).   Good luck.  ROI > 30 years.
No... You've got it all wrong. For power, I have to invest only $175,000 for 2 MWh batteries + 150 solar panels (off-the-grid) which would power up to 400 RTX 2080Ti GPUs. And the cost for 400 2080Ti GPUs is somewhere around $520,000. For land, this is going to cost me around $30,000 + miscellaneous ~ $20,000.

The grand total of the initial investment is going to be $745,000, not a million. In the beginning, the return is going to look small $400-$500/day - After a year, once we got another market boom similar to 2017 - I don't need 30 years to get the ROI, I'll see it in a matter of months, or a year or so max Kiss

Let's do the math, at the market boom the average crypto gets 10x in value.
So, let's take $400/day x 365 days = $146,000

Average crypto gets 10x in value during a market boom.
Therefore, $146,000 x 10 = $1,460,000 for the year in the bull market.

You see I told you I'll get my ROI in a year or so... The only thing to wait for is the next market boom Grin

    
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March 20, 2019, 12:40:49 PM
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Uh, 150 solar panels @ say 300w each will generate 45,000 Watts at noon on a sunny day during the summer.  So during that brief moment each day (in the summer months only), you can power 225 GPUs that consume 200 Watts each.

So unless you farm is floating in space with sun 24/7, you will only see a fraction of that power on an annual basis.

I currently have 128 panels with a total output of about 34,000 Watts at noon on a sunny day during the summer.  Last month I generated a total of 2,151 kWh from this array.  There were 28 days in February, so that works out to an average production of 77 kWh per day, or 3,200 Watts per hour.  That in turn translates into 16 GPUs @ 200 Watts.

During March, I have had a few days where I generated 175 kWh, which translates to around 7,300 Watts on a 24 hour average, or enough to power 36 200W GPUs.

Not sure why you want to go off grid.  It is MUCH more economical to be grid tied, especially if your POCO offers net metering.
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March 20, 2019, 11:05:02 PM
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It really amazes me how little people understand about solar. In almost every case, solar is a supplemental energy source, as you can only generate useful power for maybe 10h a day if you are in a sunny desert.

Good luck with this fools errand!

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March 21, 2019, 12:18:12 PM
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Hello guys,
I was navigating through the web and I found this information about RTX 2080ti GPU.

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Power Consumption

The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti registers ~277W through our stress test and almost 279W in our gaming loop (nearly 20W higher than Nvidia's official TDP rating).



Reference: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition,5805-10.html

Well, the question is what is the exact power consumption for mining?
I guess based on this information, a 2080ti gpu is consuming ~279 watts (for gaming) ok, let's say ~ 300 watts for mining
Therefore, a single 13.5 kWh Tesla PowerWall 2 will power approximately 45 GPUs. Guys, correct me if i'm wrong, i'm no expert on this... thanks Smiley  

6 Tesla PowerWall 2s will roughly power 270 RTX 2080ti GPUs... 12 Tesla PowerWall 2s will roughly power 540 RTX 2080ti GPUs. But only if i'm right!
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March 21, 2019, 03:18:15 PM
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300W x 45GPU give 13.5KW of instant power consumption,

but with a battery of 13.5KWh of capacity you can only provide 13.5KW of electricity during 1 hour.

so you have to mutiply by 24 the number of battery to mine all the day (24h/day)
Solar panel or the grid have to feed all your battery with 13.5KWH*24 = 324KWH per day
( i don't take in consideration that you will not keep 13.5Kwh very long if you draw 100% of battery capacity everyday)

if you go solar only, you have to produce 324Kwh during 8-10 hours a day
let says 8 hours of solar production per day (because you don't get 100% of panel production during the 8 hours of the day)
that give 324KWh/8h = 40 Kw of instant production, so arround 135 solar panel of 300W

in real world you will need more panel, arround 200 to get the 40Kw average of instant production and hope to match the 324 Kwh of daily production on sunny days

a quick calculation is between 3.5 to 4 solar Panel of 300W per GPU that consume 300W
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Hello guys,
I was navigating through the web and I found this information about RTX 2080ti GPU.

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Power Consumption

The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti registers ~277W through our stress test and almost 279W in our gaming loop (nearly 20W higher than Nvidia's official TDP rating).



Reference: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition,5805-10.html

Well, the question is what is the exact power consumption for mining?
I guess based on this information, a 2080ti gpu is consuming ~279 watts (for gaming) ok, let's say ~ 300 watts for mining
Therefore, a single 13.5 kWh Tesla PowerWall 2 will power approximately 45 GPUs. Guys, correct me if i'm wrong, i'm no expert on this... thanks Smiley  

6 Tesla PowerWall 2s will roughly power 270 RTX 2080ti GPUs... 12 Tesla PowerWall 2s will roughly power 540 RTX 2080ti GPUs. But only if i'm right!
Lol this is funny to read , he thinks it provides that power over  24 hrs smh
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Hello guys,
I was navigating through the web and I found this information about RTX 2080ti GPU.

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Power Consumption

The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti registers ~277W through our stress test and almost 279W in our gaming loop (nearly 20W higher than Nvidia's official TDP rating).



Reference: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition,5805-10.html

Well, the question is what is the exact power consumption for mining?
I guess based on this information, a 2080ti gpu is consuming ~279 watts (for gaming) ok, let's say ~ 300 watts for mining
Therefore, a single 13.5 kWh Tesla PowerWall 2 will power approximately 45 GPUs. Guys, correct me if i'm wrong, i'm no expert on this... thanks Smiley  

6 Tesla PowerWall 2s will roughly power 270 RTX 2080ti GPUs... 12 Tesla PowerWall 2s will roughly power 540 RTX 2080ti GPUs. But only if i'm right!
Lol this is funny to read , he thinks it provides that power over  24 hrs smh
What's funny about this? I'm here to learn but I don't know about you, Mr. Einstein Shocked 
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Hello guys,
I was navigating through the web and I found this information about RTX 2080ti GPU.

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Power Consumption

The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti registers ~277W through our stress test and almost 279W in our gaming loop (nearly 20W higher than Nvidia's official TDP rating).



Reference: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-founders-edition,5805-10.html

Well, the question is what is the exact power consumption for mining?
I guess based on this information, a 2080ti gpu is consuming ~279 watts (for gaming) ok, let's say ~ 300 watts for mining
Therefore, a single 13.5 kWh Tesla PowerWall 2 will power approximately 45 GPUs. Guys, correct me if i'm wrong, i'm no expert on this... thanks Smiley  

6 Tesla PowerWall 2s will roughly power 270 RTX 2080ti GPUs... 12 Tesla PowerWall 2s will roughly power 540 RTX 2080ti GPUs. But only if i'm right!

No.

2x 2080ti = 560 watts (more when you add in the host computer and cooling, but we'll ignore that.)
0.56kWh x 24 hours = ~13.5kWh, or 1 Powerwall 2
That means to store enough energy to power 540 GPUs for one day, you would need 270 Powerwall 2's.  

If you look at my earlier posted math, it is correct, even overly generous for what you're trying to assume you can do and includes the solar aspect, as well as day/night hours.  I'm literally using this equipment and giving you actual real estimates based off real world usage.  


but with a battery of 13.5KWh of capacity you can only provide 13.5KW of electricity during 1 hour.

The actual discharge rate is 7kW peak / 5kW continuous per Powerwall 2.

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March 21, 2019, 07:03:31 PM
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I said early you need they commercial utlity style power wall lol not the one you posted that basically just keeps
Your tv , fridge and lights off the grid haha

https://www.tesla.com/powerpack

Commercial power wall wil run u bout half a Millie
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Uh, 150 solar panels @ say 300w each will generate 45,000 Watts at noon on a sunny day during the summer.  So during that brief moment each day (in the summer months only), you can power 225 GPUs that consume 200 Watts each.

So unless you farm is floating in space with sun 24/7, you will only see a fraction of that power on an annual basis.

I currently have 128 panels with a total output of about 34,000 Watts at noon on a sunny day during the summer.  Last month I generated a total of 2,151 kWh from this array.  There were 28 days in February, so that works out to an average production of 77 kWh per day, or 3,200 Watts per hour.  That in turn translates into 16 GPUs @ 200 Watts.

During March, I have had a few days where I generated 175 kWh, which translates to around 7,300 Watts on a 24 hour average, or enough to power 36 200W GPUs.

Not sure why you want to go off grid.  It is MUCH more economical to be grid tied, especially if your POCO offers net metering.


In central Europe the expected factor is 2.7 hours of full max solar power per 24h - what is quite close to your 3.2kW from 34kW solar power

So the general rule is really simple, someone needs to multiply the power of his GPU farm - by 5-10 factor to have necessary power output of planned solar panels
and to accumulate that energy somehow/somewhere...
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No... You've got it all wrong. For power, I have to invest only $175,000 for 2 MWh batteries + 150 solar panels (off-the-grid) which would power up to 400 RTX 2080Ti GPUs.
    

so, 400 x 2080Ti GPUs = 400x 0.2kW = 80kW

solar panels must be in 400-800kW range, then (i.e 1300 - 2600 panels, and not 150 Smiley )
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No... You've got it all wrong. For power, I have to invest only $175,000 for 2 MWh batteries + 150 solar panels (off-the-grid) which would power up to 400 RTX 2080Ti GPUs.
    

so, 400 x 2080Ti GPUs = 400x 0.2kW = 80kW

solar panels must be in 400-800kW range, then (i.e 1300 - 2600 panels, and not 150 Smiley )


I though he said 50 2080TI not 400 lol, for 400 of those you would need like an accre of solar panels.

Instead you should maybe do 600 1660ti maybe , heck 800 1660 TI would give you the same hash power as 400 2080TI at about half the power, you would need far more space tho
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No... You've got it all wrong. For power, I have to invest only $175,000 for 2 MWh batteries + 150 solar panels (off-the-grid) which would power up to 400 RTX 2080Ti GPUs.
    

so, 400 x 2080Ti GPUs = 400x 0.2kW = 80kW

solar panels must be in 400-800kW range, then (i.e 1300 - 2600 panels, and not 150 Smiley )


I though he said 50 2080TI not 400 lol, for 400 of those you would need like an accre of solar panels.

Instead you should maybe do 600 1660ti maybe , heck 800 1660 TI would give you the same hash power as 400 2080TI at about half the power, you would need far more space tho

I guess 1660ti is the solution. it only costs around $300 or less
It's cheaper, lighter, smaller, and it has less energy consumption compared to 2080ti

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Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Seemingly As Fast As Maxwell GTX Titan X At $279

As per notorious leaker TUM_APISAK's tip, Nvidia's upcoming GeForce GTX 1660 Ti has been benchmarked by an unknown source with Square Enix's Final Fantasy XV benchmark tool. The GeForce GTX 1660 Ti certainly appears to give the GeForce GTX Titan X (Maxwell) a run for its money.



As a quick recap, the GeForce GTX 1660 Ti is going to be Nvidia's first Turing-powered 12nm gaming graphics card that will not come with the real-time ray tracing capability. Built around the brand-new Turing TU116 graphics processor, the GeForce GTX 1660 Ti has been rumored to come with 1,536 CUDA cores operating at an alleged 1,500MHz base clock and 1,770MHz boost clock. The 6GB or 3GB of GDDR6 memory, on the other hand, runs at 1,500MHz (12,000MHz effective) across a 192-bit memory bus.

Reference: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/gtx-1660-ti-leaked-benchmarks-pricing,38630.html

RTX 1660ti it is, finally!
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March 24, 2019, 04:23:56 PM
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omg people are just dumb!!!! hey CRYPTO IS ALMOST DEAD, NO PROFIT AT ALL, HUGE MARGINAL TRADERS, THAT HAD BEEN DUMPING AND PUMPING COINS, DON'T EVEN WANT TO PLAY ANYMORE, REASON WHY THE MARKET HAS BEEN ALMOST FLAT FOR ABOUT 1 MONTH, ROI (6 RX 570 X 200$ EACH, + ALL THE HARDWARE NEEDED, 1500$, CAN TAKE YOU TO ROI FROM 5 TO 6 YEARS AT CURRENT PRICES, EVEN MORE DEPENDING ON HARDWARE, BUT HEY!! I WILL BET ALL I HAVE FOR A FUTURE THAT DOES NOT EXIST AT ALL.

And you want to spend a huge amount of money in solar power  and at least 50.000$ only in gpus, to ROI when???

When i see 142.000GH/s on the ETH network, at current prices, i understand why many people have lost all their money in this shitty market.


BTC no more than 6k by end of 2019. ETH no more than 300$ by end 2019. Huge market manipulation, huge amount of scammers and hypers.
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