New Zealand ChristChurch mass shootings >:( >:(

[omonuyak]

Just Today, I've heard a news about the mass shooting on a mosque in New Zealand.  49 People have been killed and might be a terrorist attack.
Based on my research the alleged attacker identified as Australian citizen.


I have seen the actual video when the killer actually uploaded it on facebook. I have to still find it so you can all see how this guy is just actually acting like he is just like a famous battle royale game (PUBG).  This kind of act is purely inhuman and should be stop RIP to all the victims and justice should prevail


For now you can read the full article on the BBC news.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-asia-47578860



UPdate: I removed the video

This is actually inhuman and there is no justification for this type of killing.  I think we should condemned this act and pray for the family to be able to bear this sad loss.  It is inhuman,  disheartening and painful for this wickedness to be allowed to take place.

[eddie13]

iirc the manifesto said he made a lot of money on bitconnect and that he used that money to travel the world up until this happened..

[TECSHARE]

I know you aren't, that's why you are trying to slide the topic to something else.

Unless if you specifically say otherwise, I'm just going to assume you believe Sandy Hook didn't happen.. Most people would just say "of course it fucking happened," but you couldn't do this, which explains a lot concerning your current attitude toward the Christchurch shooting.

And I will take your lack of a logical reply and your insistence of trying to take the discussion off topic to mean "I am incapable of forming a logical reply to your comments, and I should probably stop attempting to debate subjects I am poorly informed on."

[darklus123]

iirc the manifesto said he made a lot of money on bitconnect and that he used that money to travel the world up until this happened..

That is not surprising, thinking where did this guy have a very good type of weapon which is actually not that cheap. Plus the fact that he's been travelling in europe for 3 years if I am not mistaken.

Watch the latest news here
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/18/asia/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-monday-intl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/16/asia/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-victims/index.html



New Zealand's government is actually now doing what the suspect really wanted. Reforming their Law with regards to guns and recently the online market in selling guns from new zealand shutsdown

[TECSHARE]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-19/after-blocking-zerohedge-and-others-nz-telcos-demand-big-tech-censorship-surge

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/isps-in-au-and-nz-start-censoring-the-internet-without-legal-precedent-a-full-list-of-blocked-websites-can-be-found-below-voat-4chan-8ch-liveleak-archive-bitchute-zerohedge-kiwifarms/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-16/new-zealand-to-change-gun-laws-after-mass-shooting-kills-49


Never let a serious crisis go to waste right? No creeping totalitarianism here just looking for an excuse. Move along, nothing to see here.

[nutildah]

I know you aren't, that's why you are trying to slide the topic to something else.

Unless if you specifically say otherwise, I'm just going to assume you believe Sandy Hook didn't happen.. Most people would just say "of course it fucking happened," but you couldn't do this, which explains a lot concerning your current attitude toward the Christchurch shooting.

And I will take your lack of a logical reply and your insistence of trying to take the discussion off topic to mean "I am incapable of forming a logical reply to your comments, and I should probably stop attempting to debate subjects I am poorly informed on."

You mean like your understanding of New Zealand's gun laws? 

The shooters weapons were obtained legally. So much for gun control working.

How does this even make sense? If the weapons were obtained legally, how does that reflect "gun control"? What is your solution to the problem anyway? More guns to more crazies?

You were probably confusing New Zealand with Australia, which pretty much banned guns in 1996 after their last massacre, and hasn't had one since. Nobody in Australia (besides a few psychos) seems to mind. Nobody is afraid of government tyranny or oppression there, it never comes up as a seriously entertained issue.

[TECSHARE]

I know you aren't, that's why you are trying to slide the topic to something else.

Unless if you specifically say otherwise, I'm just going to assume you believe Sandy Hook didn't happen.. Most people would just say "of course it fucking happened," but you couldn't do this, which explains a lot concerning your current attitude toward the Christchurch shooting.

And I will take your lack of a logical reply and your insistence of trying to take the discussion off topic to mean "I am incapable of forming a logical reply to your comments, and I should probably stop attempting to debate subjects I am poorly informed on."

You mean like your understanding of New Zealand's gun laws? 

The shooters weapons were obtained legally. So much for gun control working.

How does this even make sense? If the weapons were obtained legally, how does that reflect "gun control"? What is your solution to the problem anyway? More guns to more crazies?

You were probably confusing New Zealand with Australia, which pretty much banned guns in 1996 after their last massacre, and hasn't had one since. Nobody in Australia (besides a few psychos) seems to mind. Nobody is afraid of government tyranny or oppression there, it never comes up as a seriously entertained issue.

As usual, unable to form a cogent reply, you need to shift the topic YET AGAIN in order to make a desperate attempt to appear as if you have any idea what you are talking about rather than reply to my previous response. That statement was based on reports he legally obtained some guns from a local gun shop. The ones used in the shooting were not those weapons however.

I was absolutely talking about New Zealand gun laws, I even gave a reference which you promptly ignored: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

Gun laws only stop law abiding people from having guns. This is a fact. If you are a criminal, by definition you have no regard for the law. The weapons the shooter used were obtained on the black market, and were of a very restricted variety within New Zealand. It is good to know you speak for all of Australia when you say no one is worried about government tyranny and oppression. I guess I can ignore all the real Australians I have talked to who have said otherwise since Nutilduuh is on the scene.

[nutildah]

I know you aren't, that's why you are trying to slide the topic to something else.

Unless if you specifically say otherwise, I'm just going to assume you believe Sandy Hook didn't happen.. Most people would just say "of course it fucking happened," but you couldn't do this, which explains a lot concerning your current attitude toward the Christchurch shooting.

And I will take your lack of a logical reply and your insistence of trying to take the discussion off topic to mean "I am incapable of forming a logical reply to your comments, and I should probably stop attempting to debate subjects I am poorly informed on."

You mean like your understanding of New Zealand's gun laws?  

The shooters weapons were obtained legally. So much for gun control working.

How does this even make sense? If the weapons were obtained legally, how does that reflect "gun control"? What is your solution to the problem anyway? More guns to more crazies?

You were probably confusing New Zealand with Australia, which pretty much banned guns in 1996 after their last massacre, and hasn't had one since. Nobody in Australia (besides a few psychos) seems to mind. Nobody is afraid of government tyranny or oppression there, it never comes up as a seriously entertained issue.

As usual, unable to form a cogent reply, you need to shift the topic YET AGAIN in order to make a desperate attempt to appear as if you have any idea what you are talking about rather than reply to my previous response.

What planet are you living on? The previous subject was "I don't know what I'm talking about" -- not much of a subject. You begin every single reply with a variation of this belief; its getting old and ineffective.

I was absolutely talking about New Zealand gun laws, I even gave a reference which you promptly ignored: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_New_Zealand

Which you brought up after I corrected you. The link you give proves you didn't know what you were talking about, don't know why you'd quote it here.

Gun laws only stop law abiding people from having guns. This is a fact. If you are a criminal, by definition you have no regard for the law. The weapons the shooter used were obtained on the black market, and were of a very restricted variety within New Zealand. It is good to know you speak for all of Australia when you say no one is worried about government tyranny and oppression. I guess I can ignore all the real Australians I have talked to who have said otherwise since Nutilduuh is on the scene.

You don't think that gun violence would decline if it were harder to get guns? Why are there so many more gun deaths in America compared to all other western countries?

Of course you're going to reply by saying

- I don't know what I'm talking about
- I'm changing the subject

This is basically all you ever do -- don't know how you can consider that a debate tactic.

I think its pretty classless to attribute the senseless deaths of innocent people as being part of a grand state-level conspiracy. At least you referenced admission that it actually happened, that's a step in the right direction.

[spadormie]

Just Today, I've heard a news about the mass shooting on a mosque in New Zealand.  49 People have been killed and might be a terrorist attack.
Based on my research the alleged attacker identified as Australian citizen.

You forgot to mention the last part of the video. The shooter said that, subscribe to pewdiepie. The pewdiepie - T series drama has gone too far.

I have seen the actual video when the killer actually uploaded it on facebook. I have to still find it so you can all see how this guy is just actually acting like he is just like a famous battle royale game (PUBG).  This kind of act is purely inhuman and should be stop RIP to all the victims and justice should prevail

I agree, he massacred all of them without heart. All we can do now is to pray for the souls of the victim.

[TECSHARE]

More pathetic squirming

"To become licensed, the applicant must be a fit and proper person over the age of 16. They also need to have adequate secure storage for firearms, attend a safety program administered by the Mountain Safety Council, pass a written safety test, pay the requisite fee, and supply passport-standard photographs with their application. Police also individually interview the applicant and two referees, one of whom must be a close relative and the other unrelated, to determine the applicant's suitability for a license. The applicant's residence is also visited to check for appropriate storage of firearms and ammunition and to ensure any other people living there are not a security risk. Having criminal associations or a history of domestic violence almost always leads to a license being refused. An application can be refused if the applicant has indicators of drug or alcohol abuse, criminal associations, a history of domestic violence, or a physical, mental health or disability issue that would prevent them possessing or using a firearm safely. Previous denied applications or revoked licenses may also be cause for denial. "

Actually I quoted the Wikipedia in my very first reply to you. Sounds pretty restrictive to me, but you have such great reading comprehension I must be wrong. The actual previous subject was everything you had no reply to resulting in your desperate attempts to try to cast me as a "Sandy Hook denier". Why are there so many car deaths in America? Shit I guess we should stop driving since cars kill far more people. Cute you used the term "gun deaths" so that it would be maximally inclusive so that suicides, justified use of force, and self defense would be included. Real gun crime has been on a steady decline for a long time in the US, what has increased is the media exposure.

and finally

"I think its pretty classless to attribute the senseless deaths of innocent people as being part of a grand state-level conspiracy."

Everyone knows states never conspire to kill people right? War doesn't exist and national leaders WOULD NEVER kill people to get more control right? RIGHT?

[TECSHARE]

You're clearly insane. There's no point in talking to you. I'm just putting you on ignore from now on. Take care.

Everyone take a look at what people do when they have no ability to debate and no logic to stand on when their beliefs are challenged. They mock, they make personal attacks, they accuse, they distract, then they call you insane and run away. These are the types of people responsible for most of the suffering in the world because they insist on not having their comfortable little bubble be intruded upon by harsh realities. Like a child in a burning house you run to hide in the closet telling yourself you will be safe as you die of asphyxiation. Reality doesn't give a fuck about your feelings. You keep telling yourself whatever you need to in order to keep your comfortable delusion going, otherwise you might have to critically examine your beliefs, and who wants that right?

[dippididodaday]

One thing is clear to me - the utter fragility of the human state. Whether death by one bullet (per second) or tens to hundreds (per second), or mass deaths by ballistic nuclear missiles, when it is the death of an innocent we are talking about, and even done by a fairly sane law abiding enforcer, for instance, with only one bullet per second, it is still just as tragic and meaningless and completely wrong as the deaths of the 50 innocents in ChristChurch, done by an insane whaco.

[eddie13]

Watch the latest news here
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/18/asia/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-monday-intl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/16/asia/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-victims/index.html

HA HA No thanks..
More like "Watch the latest globalist, anti-America, anti-freedom, one world power shill propaganda here."

What this guy did was terrible, make no mistake, but all of these calls for censorship and gun control are terrible also.

This is NOT good for the cause of the right. This hurts the right, but may accelerate the left to attack the right, take rights and impose more control, to push closer to the tipping point of civil war exactly as the shooter claims he wants..

This entire situation is bad and not only has he murdered people but had done a great disservice to the right.

This guy idolizes communist china so he is probably an authoritarian lefty anyway but will be labeled right wing to propagandize just as he wants to happen..

Think for a moment that if this is some sort of false flag, "winning his money in the crypto market" is a pretty darn good way to hide where your money actually came from, you think?

This is not good and I do not want to see civil war, left vs right war, accelerated.. That would be very very not good..

[TECSHARE]

Watch the latest news here
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/18/asia/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-monday-intl/index.html
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/16/asia/new-zealand-mosque-shooting-victims/index.html

HA HA No thanks..
More like "Watch the latest globalist, anti-America, anti-freedom, one world power shill propaganda here."

What this guy did was terrible, make no mistake, but all of these calls for censorship and gun control are terrible also.

This is NOT good for the cause of the right. This hurts the right, but may accelerate the left to attack the right, take rights and impose more control, to push closer to the tipping point of civil war exactly as the shooter claims he wants..

This entire situation is bad and not only has he murdered people but had done a great disservice to the right.

This guy idolizes communist china so he is probably an authoritarian lefty anyway but will be labeled right wing to propagandize just as he wants to happen..

Think for a moment that if this is some sort of false flag, "winning his money in the crypto market" is a pretty darn good way to hide where your money actually came from, you think?

This is not good and I do not want to see civil war, left vs right war, accelerated.. That would be very very not good..

There have already been retaliatory attacks across the world citing this as justification. Turkey's president Erdogon is even calling this a Christian lead war against Islam, which you can be sure will lead to even more violence. Of course as we all know hundreds of Christians slaughtered every month by radical Islamists is not worthy of reporting, but this New Zealand attack will be reported on for years to come on full blast. Unfortunately people seem unable to tell the difference between how often some thing happens in reality and how often the media reports on it.

[darklus123]

@eddie, I completely agree with you but atleast you have to somehow consider. If censorship for the freedom to have gun is too much that is fine but reforming to at least reconsider their current laws with regards to gun.

I can't personally tell why would this guy want's or plans after the attack. If this guy really did the attack so that the government can have power in controlling how people uses guns then we should address to that certain issue.

One thing is clear to me here justice should have given to the victims and that will only happen if this guy is caught and should serve the sentence. other than that will then proceed to the other issue

[merchantofzeny]

People would change profile pics, light candles, form a circle and pray, rinse, repeat. Same with Orlando, Paris, etc.

They'll make these gestures but people never learn. They still allow mentally unstable people to have easy access to guns. They still allow fundamentalist groups of every flavor platform for propagating their message.

Congratulations on reacting exactly the way the shooter hoped you would by pushing censorship and gun control.

I'd be the last to ask for censorship and gun ban but there should be limits. People advocating for violence should not be allowed to stay on social media recruiting people. People with mental problems shouldn't have guns and there should be regular evaluation.

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There have already been retaliatory attacks across the world citing this as justification. Turkey's president Erdogon is even calling this a Christian lead war against Islam, which you can be sure will lead to even more violence. Of course as we all know hundreds of Christians slaughtered every month by radical Islamists is not worthy of reporting, but this New Zealand attack will be reported on for years to come on full blast. Unfortunately people seem unable to tell the difference between how often some thing happens in reality and how often the media reports on it.

Heard from a family member that someone burned a bus in Italy. There were kids inside. Of course the guy was black and likely M.

[TECSHARE]

People would change profile pics, light candles, form a circle and pray, rinse, repeat. Same with Orlando, Paris, etc.

They'll make these gestures but people never learn. They still allow mentally unstable people to have easy access to guns. They still allow fundamentalist groups of every flavor platform for propagating their message.

Congratulations on reacting exactly the way the shooter hoped you would by pushing censorship and gun control.

I'd be the last to ask for censorship and gun ban but there should be limits. People advocating for violence should not be allowed to stay on social media recruiting people. People with mental problems shouldn't have guns and there should be regular evaluation.

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There have already been retaliatory attacks across the world citing this as justification. Turkey's president Erdogon is even calling this a Christian lead war against Islam, which you can be sure will lead to even more violence. Of course as we all know hundreds of Christians slaughtered every month by radical Islamists is not worthy of reporting, but this New Zealand attack will be reported on for years to come on full blast. Unfortunately people seem unable to tell the difference between how often some thing happens in reality and how often the media reports on it.

Heard from a family member that someone burned a bus in Italy. There were kids inside. Of course the guy was black and likely M.

Direct calls for violence are a crime in most parts of the world already, but law enforcement and social media are quite selective over which of these they choose to act on. Who gets to set the standards for evaluation? What is stopping them from making those standards so impossible to meet that no one meets them? In the USA gun ownership is a right, not a privilege pending evaluation and government permission.

Regarding the bus fire, I have also read about this story. Fortunately no one was killed, but setting a bus full of children on fire clearly shows the intent to. Tell me, how much media coverage have you seen about this?

[Spendulus]

....
Direct calls for violence are a crime in most parts of the world already, but law enforcement and social media are quite selective over which of these they choose to act on. Who gets to set the standards for evaluation? ....

Give that in the last week there were 25 Islamic attacks in 12 different countries, resulting in 149 killed and 91 injured, plus 2 suicide blasts, this is indeed a good question.

[eddie13]

@eddie, I completely agree with you but atleast you have to somehow consider. If censorship for the freedom to have gun is too much that is fine but reforming to at least reconsider their current laws with regards to gun.

Yeah, like basically lift all of the current restrictions.
No permits for pistols or full autos or silencers. No permits for concealed carry.
Something like, Freedom to keep and bear arms.. I could go along with that..

I can't personally tell why would this guy want's or plans after the attack.

How about fuck this guy? Who cares other than those trying to use it to destroy liberty?

I mean sure it sucks some people died, he is an asshole for killing a few people, but on the grand scale it is nothing at all but a useful backstory for those who seek to achieve ultimate power..

It's only 50 people, out of billions of people.
Their are like 7,700,000,000 people in the world.
Something like 150,000 people die every day.
50 people is nothing.. Insignificant..

Communism and totalitarian regimes have slaughtered 100,000,000 easy, and counting.
What did Hitler do first? Take the guns..
People are out of their minds to give up their guns over 50 people here and there..

People are so spoiled these days. It has been too long for them to remember why people need to be free and free to protect themselves.
Good times breed weak men.  The western-cultured world of good times has been breeding weak men for too long and we are seeing the signs of weak men bringing on hard times..

[TECSHARE]

New Zealand just banned all semiautomatic weapons (other than .22)

Certain semi-automatic firearms declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms

"For the purposes of the Arms Act 1983, the following firearms are declared to be military style semi-automatic firearms:
(a)

a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges) that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges:
(b)

a semi-automatic firearm that is a shotgun and that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine that is capable of holding more than 5 cartridges."

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2019/0055/latest/LMS173651.html?search=ts_act%40bill%40regulation%40deemedreg_arms+order_resel_25_a&p=1