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March 21, 2019, 09:18:36 PM
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a semi-automatic firearm that is capable of being used in combination with a detachable magazine (other than one designed to hold 0.22-inch or less rimfire cartridges)


https://www.shopalexanderarms.com/Rifles-_17_HMR_-_Complete_Rifle.html

There you go Kiwis..

Or.. Someone just needs to wildcat a 5.56mm rimfire cartrige, and make/modify a rimfire bolt for the standard AR, and convert them all to rimfire.. Pretty easy..
Call it a .219

An AR is a .22, just centerfire..

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Just when gun control was rolling along nicely in NZ, something like this mass shooting has to go and happen. No wonder government wants to censor this. People are up in arms about this. The question is, will people listen to their formal government? Or will they rise up and put government in its place by getting rid of gun control altogether?


The Chilling Censorship of the Christchurch Shooting



Serious concerns have arisen over how New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has handled the recent Christchurch mosques massacre. And they don't just involve her calls for stricter gun control and decision to ban all semi-automatic rifles.

In the wake of the attacks, the prime minister promised to keep the murderer "nameless," and the internet promptly obliged by flushing the perpetrator's identity down the memory hole. New Zealanders' access to online material about him was blocked. In what has become standing operating procedure after mass attacks, social media accounts connected to the perpetrator disappeared. Internet service providers in New Zealand blocked access to sites like 4chan, 8chan, LiveLeak, and the file-sharing site Mega if the sites did not take down material related to the shooting.

Ardern then announced that the government would consider further policing social media, saying, "We will look at the role that social media played and what steps we can take, including on the international stage and in unison with our partners."


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March 25, 2019, 05:32:18 AM
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Does this look like sane behavior to you?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-24/nz-edge-festival-evacuated-over-far-right-tattoo-gov-criminalizes-download

We are approaching the event horizon people. You can't cower from harsh realities much longer before we pass the point of no return and the consequences of ignoring them will directly result in horrible violence. You can ignore reality forever, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality forever.

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I'm not trying to "argue" with you. I just wanted to know if you believe Sandy Hook actually happened or not.

Why is techy trying to censor your question?

No doubt he will now report this post in an attempt to censor me.  Sad

On Topic:   Religion causes violence.   Ignorance causes Religion.  We need to spend more on education, not military.

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March 25, 2019, 09:29:03 PM
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I'm not trying to "argue" with you. I just wanted to know if you believe Sandy Hook actually happened or not.

Why is techy trying to censor your question?

No doubt he will now report this post in an attempt to censor me.  Sad

On Topic:   Religion causes violence.   Ignorance causes Religion.  We need to spend more on education, not military.

I left you a merit because you are obviously in desperate need of validation.
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I'm not trying to "argue" with you. I just wanted to know if you believe Sandy Hook actually happened or not.

Why is techy trying to censor your question?

No doubt he will now report this post in an attempt to censor me.  Sad

On Topic:   Religion causes violence.   Ignorance causes Religion.  We need to spend more on education, not military.

I left you a merit because you are obviously in desperate need of validation.

Bravo! LOL! You are such a great example to follow! Me leavum merit too... LOL.

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I left you a merit because you are obviously in desperate need of validation.

How funny that I was drawn here by your (censored) obvious and desperate need for validation.  Smiley
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On topic: Can anyone provide any other global solution other than waiting for religion to die?

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I left you a merit because you are obviously in desperate need of validation.

How funny that I was drawn here by your (censored) obvious and desperate need for validation.  Smiley
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5103785.msg50314684#msg50314684

On topic: Can anyone provide any other global solution other than waiting for religion to die?

Well we could try giving more, bigger guns to more crazy extremists and see how that plays out.

I'm just not on board with the idea that gun control = government tyranny and loss of liberty. The U.S. military could crush any militia no matter how well armed. I think Waco and the handful of other militia-led incidents in the past 30 years pretty much proved this. But as mentioned earlier, I strongly believe this isn't going to effect U.S. gun laws, largely because of the NRA. There's no such equivalent in New Zealand. Regardless, New Zealand still has a comparatively large proportion of gun owners; nobody's taking their guns away either, they're just saying you can't have the really big and fast guns. Seems smart IMHO.

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I left you a merit because you are obviously in desperate need of validation.

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On topic: Can anyone provide any other global solution other than waiting for religion to die?

Well we could try giving more, bigger guns to more crazy extremists and see how that plays out.

I'm just not on board with the idea that gun control = government tyranny and loss of liberty. The U.S. military could crush any militia no matter how well armed. I think Waco and the handful of other militia-led incidents in the past 30 years pretty much proved this. But as mentioned earlier, I strongly believe this isn't going to effect U.S. gun laws, largely because of the NRA. There's no such equivalent in New Zealand. Regardless, New Zealand still has a comparatively large proportion of gun owners; nobody's taking their guns away either, they're just saying you can't have the really big and fast guns. Seems smart IMHO.

No one is advocating "giving more, bigger guns to more crazy extremists", and this statement is indicative of your unwillingness to have a legitimate debate over this subject. While this is about much more than just preventing government tyranny, lets address that point.

"The U.S. military could crush any militia no matter how well armed."

First of all, using the US military against the domestic population is generally not legal, but lets ignore that fact and break down what may theoretically happen, and what has happened historically. Generally speaking "crushing" an uprising of domestic population is not going to be popular among the military, nor would it be productive in quelling such an uprising as once the people see this, the government makes its intentions of murdering dissidents clear which will result in even more resistance nationally. This tired argument is often made by people who do not understand anything about the logistics of the military, their oaths, or their training.

The fact is you don't occupy land with tanks, jets, and nukes. You occupy land with soldiers, and soldiers are not bullet proof. Furthermore that hardware requires logistical supply lines which again rely on people on the ground. Also nuking ones own population would be quite counterproductive considering the goal of tyranny is usually to control more resources, and laying waste to those resources is contradicted. Additionally wars like have been happening in Afghanistan show you exactly how long people with small arms can hold off the most advanced military in the world.

Short of full on warfare there have been many examples of people preserving their freedoms against a tyrannical government such as "The Battle of Athens" in 1946 in Athens Tennessee where the local population stood up against the corrupt local government to prevent vote fraud. Other more recent examples are the standoff at The Bundy ranch, and at the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Giving a corrupt government force the choice between having to resort to violence to gain control in of itself is a method of maintaining freedom because it forces those involved to be DAMN SURE they are in the right, or else they will be the ones in a box or a cage after it all gets settled. This is what is known as deterrent effect, and it is not easily quantified resulting in it being dismissed by casual observers such as yourself.

Waco was a mass execution, and the charges which brought them there to begin with were based on fraud. Of course I don't expect you to know any of this being the casual tourist to these topics that you are. Even this is a perfect example of what results when the corrupt forces make the choice of murder over backing down, and the world witnessed this holocaust, took note, and made preparations for further tyranny. Again, this is just addressing the SINGLE ISSUE of government tyranny, not even touching on the right to self defense, national defense, criminal deterrence, etc.

Unfortunately these events are being used to systematically take rights of self defense and free speech by playing off the manipulations of fearful simpletons such as yourself reacting in a knee jerk response with little to no critical thought. You might have strong beliefs, but if they are based on your emotions they don't count for much. Additionally I find it convenient you simultaneously are pro-gun control while you spout about your beliefs as if what you believe is not skewed by your bias. Excuse me if I don't really give a shit about your poorly informed belief system.
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March 26, 2019, 01:58:33 PM
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^^^ Unfortunately, people have spent too much time delving into their pleasures to learn the methods for protecting themselves from other people who use big government to harm them. In the below list, I will show several of the methods. I will, however, leave the most important one out.

The methods have to do with using the law against government people when they break the law. Start learning them now, because you won't be able to learn them overnight when you need them. The Waco massacre could have been completely avoided if Koresh and his people had thoroughly understood and used the following:

1. Common Law, shown by Karl Lentz and others. As of this writing, the only place on the Net that I know of where to find Karl's sort-of complete list of discussions - hours and hours of explanation and talks with other people - is at http://jurorinlaw.com/talkshoe/klentz/. Take the time to listen to the first 20 episodes.

2. Private Membership Association (PMA). Youtube search on "Private Membership Association." Government is a public organization. It controls the public. A PMA is a private organization. It is basically off-limits to government, and government states this in Constitution, Amendments, laws/codes, and many Supreme Court cases. But if you don't know this stuff, government people can run all over you. Three links to listen to that will give you the basics of what this is all about are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lupSn80_PY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13OHj_2TOOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTq13vOxpZk.
None of this means that the PMA is limited to only the things said in these talks. There is a wide range of PMA stuff that is being exercised, that is way beyond what is being said in the videos. The videos show only one slice of the PMA pie. Another great slice is in #3, below, and is not stated to be, or even known to be, a PMA. But it essentially is a PMA.

3. Corporation Sole... done the right way. Much of the stuff in these two links goes way beyond what it is being used for. But you need to understand what it's about, and put your thinking cap on. The links:
https://apeacefulsolution.wordpress.com/
http://www.theultimateinassetprotection.com/?ref=SWC.

If Koresh and his followers had understood and used the above 3 things, there would have been no massacre. Not only that, the controversy was so great in Waco, that cancelling out the government would have spread freedom all over the place. But you can't use what you don't know that you have... except by accident, of course.

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On topic: Can anyone provide any other global solution other than waiting for religion to die?

It is really pretty tough to think, as a human being it is our nature to act violently. Regardless of having a weapon or not, or whatever reason why would they do it. From that fact alone you really can't get killing in our system. Yet if i were given a chance to lessen this kind of act.

I will probably be hitting first the politics because for me this is one of the most toxic system a human being have ever made. Then i will start to educate people the importance of valuing your life like you do value other persons life.

Oh sh*t  people still do whatever they wanted to do no matter what I will do nvm.
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I'm just not on board with the idea that gun control = government tyranny and loss of liberty. The U.S. military could crush any militia no matter how well armed. I think Waco and the handful of other militia-led incidents in the past 30 years pretty much proved this.

Waco was a mass execution, and the charges which brought them there to begin with were based on fraud. Of course I don't expect you to know any of this being the casual tourist to these topics that you are. Even this is a perfect example of what results when the corrupt forces make the choice of murder over backing down, and the world witnessed this holocaust, took note, and made preparations for further tyranny. Again, this is just addressing the SINGLE ISSUE of government tyranny, not even touching on the right to self defense, national defense, criminal deterrence, etc.

Did the Koreshians win or lose the fight?

The idea that Americans having guns will prevent government tyranny is false. Maybe it was true a couple centuries ago. Its certainly not true today.

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I'm just not on board with the idea that gun control = government tyranny and loss of liberty. The U.S. military could crush any militia no matter how well armed. I think Waco and the handful of other militia-led incidents in the past 30 years pretty much proved this.

Waco was a mass execution, and the charges which brought them there to begin with were based on fraud. Of course I don't expect you to know any of this being the casual tourist to these topics that you are. Even this is a perfect example of what results when the corrupt forces make the choice of murder over backing down, and the world witnessed this holocaust, took note, and made preparations for further tyranny. Again, this is just addressing the SINGLE ISSUE of government tyranny, not even touching on the right to self defense, national defense, criminal deterrence, etc.

Did the Koreshians win or lose the fight?

The idea that Americans having guns will prevent government tyranny is false. Maybe it was true a couple centuries ago. Its certainly not true today.

Irrelevant. The government was forced to expose itself as murderous criminal tyrants allowing others to prepare for more action of the same. In the other cases they DID win, and once again you are a simple creature who doesn't understand deterrent effect. The government is made of people. People will think twice about an action if they think they may get shot in the process. It is a really simple equation.
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god is clearly speaking here... the free will of one nutjob is more important than the lives of 50 people that worship him.

Or he was sleeping, like during the world wars...  :/

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god is clearly speaking here... the free will of one nutjob is more important than the lives of 50 people that worship him.

Or he was sleeping, like during the world wars...  :/

Well that's some way to tick off the religious peeps in here 🤣 though putting that aside, it's really sad for the families of the victims to have their loved ones end this way. Nothing can justify such an act but plain blatant terrorism. And i'm wondering if this could've been handled better by the authorities since it took quite a while before the gunman was appehended.


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How long do you think it will be before they start declaring you unfit for XYZ? Are you seeing the pattern yet?

http://www.hideoutnow.com/2019/04/new-zealand-police-confiscate-airsoft.html

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/03/luis-valdes/nz-confiscations-begin-police-going-to-gun-owners-homes-jobs-one-gun-owner-dead/
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Now it is actually becoming ridiculous, I can't even imagine  my self being caught up for having an Airgun by a hypocrite police who's just basing by his "own" opinion.

behold New Zealand is now becoming an "Open Prison"  (we are only allowed to see what they want us to see - which is starting to make no sense) that's why  I hate politics
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April 08, 2019, 02:35:37 AM
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Just Today, I've heard a news about the mass shooting on a mosque in New Zealand.  49 People have been killed and might be a terrorist attack.
Based on my research the alleged attacker identified as Australian citizen.

I have seen the actual video when the killer actually uploaded it on facebook. I have to still find it so you can all see how this guy is just actually acting like he is just like a famous battle royale game (PUBG).  This kind of act is purely inhuman and should be stop RIP to all the victims and justice should prevail
People who are unstable and not mentally sound are getting hold of guns and until that can be sorted out, these horrible things will happen and it is really unfortunate, in majority of the mass shooting incidents i have followed, everyone does have a history of mental illness who does not have any remorse or empathy towards another human being, if he wants to challenge himself one on one combat is the best way rather than hiding behind a gun like a coward.
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It is indeed a tragedy, but let's look at some of the facts before being drawn down the wrong path:

*From what I've heard so far, the shooter was described as:

-A little left, a little right.
-Was not a fan of Trump.
-Hoped Conservatism was dead.
-Was an eco-fascist.
-Was a fan of Communist China.
-Did not choose Muslims for the fact that they were Muslims, but simply because they were a convenient group to target for his intended purposes.
-Was not a Christian (as some have tried to claim - not surprising as they also tried to claim Bravick was a Christian too, when he was a self-described Odinist who despised Jesus and Christianity).
-Was an Australian citizen.
-Was a white nationalist.
-Wanted to increase racial tensions and start a civil war - that was his main intention (which the liberal establishment media seems to love pushing ever since Trump got in office).

-ADDED by a user below (thank you very much): "Very nice summary. One thing you kind of overlooked is that he specifically said he intended to cause freedoms such as second amendment rights to be taken in reaction to his acts, specifically in the USA, which he hoped would result in civil war (probably right). The fact is these governments around the world are giving him everything he had hoped for on a silver platter."



*What's some of the aftermaths?

-He randomly mentioned conservative voices (including a black lady) who had nothing to do with what he did, but the mainstream media jumped all over that and attacked them and blamed them for the attack.

-People blamed President Trump for the attack, which happened on the other side of the planet, by a citizen of a completely different nationality, who didn't even like President Trump.

-People blamed "anti-Muslim rhetoric" and started getting harder on people who peacefully refute and criticize Islam, and condemn violence. When he did not choose Muslims based on a hatred of Muslims (he had even visited Muslim countries), nor was his intent aimed at Muslims, but rather to escalate racial tensions broadband, and start a civil war.

-I saw a video where a prominent Muslim leader in NZ was speaking at a supposedly "anti-hate" rally, and he had suspicions (without offering any evidence) of who funded the shooter (because he obviously couldn't have funded himself, right? Eye-roll), can you guess? It was (he suspected) Israel's special forces. And Zionist businesses around NZ. Essentially: the JEWS did it! And you can hear people in the background yelling that. So, you can expect a new round of anti-Semitism in New Zealand... but don't expect to see it on the news.

-Pretty much immediately after the attack, GUNS are also the bad guys, even though the second shooting was cut short by a citizen wielding a gun (I heard some stories that he actually fired back, and another that he threw the gun and it smashed their car's window). Essentially, "let's make sure future NZ citizens can't defend themselves against future terror attacks." The left wants the disarmament of citizens, when in fact, you will not stop criminals from finding a way to get guns, nor are guns the only means by which a determined individual can kill lots of people, and it's a fact of history that tyrannical governments have disarmed their citizens prior to committing atrocities and genocides on their own populous (based on religious views - Christians often getting the brunt of it - differing political views, transfer of wealth and power, etc).



*Now let's look at some of the utter hypocrisy:

-The ONLY reasons this got massive media coverage was because: A. the shooter was a white male, and B. the victims were Muslims, and (somewhat) C. It was in an otherwise peaceful and obscure corner of the globe (with ready access to the media). If it had been a Muslim committing an act of terror against Christians - which happens ALL THE TIME in the Middle East, Asia, and Africa, two such incidences of which occurred right after the NZ shooting - and you don't get nearly the same coverage, if any.

-People blamed and attacked President Trump, Conservatives, people who peacefully criticize Islam (which demands hatred of unbelievers and the violent subjugation of the world) who themselves condemn violence, white people, etc, when in fact NONE of these had anything to do with the shooter's actions.

-People, including on this thread, are saying we need to stop the anti-Muslim rhetoric. And what does that mean? That means, to liberals and those who don't actually care about searching out the truth and forming solutions based on that and peaceful discussion, that all criticism of Islam (no matter the facts) must be canned, silenced, deplatformed, etc. Not realizing that it is this very silencing of legitimate concerns and peaceful dialogue that has led to the frustrated backlashes of people like Anders Bravick, who saw problems and violence that Islam was bringing to their communities, and came to the conclusion that talking will get them no-where, and that to get the world to listen they had to do something drastic (a bad conclusion, but that was their line of reasoning). And also not realizing that Islam's texts DO call for the hatred of non-Muslims and the violent subjugation of the entire world. The left refuses to look at the actual sources, and continues to condemn people who are trying to point these things out. Yes there are peaceful Muslims, but: A. that's because many of them don't know or follow the Islamic texts as they should, B. have been heavily influenced by Western society (largely influenced by Christianity and Judaism), C. don't have the right mindset to follow the commands of Islam and the examples of Muhammad, and D. would be considered apostates and hypocrites worthy of death by more practicing and devout Muslims. But the left does not want to look at sources. They don't want to bother themselves with actually searching out truth. They want to blindly say that all religions are fundamentally the same, and are all equally capable of violence, which couldn't be further from the truth. Many of them, such as Atheists, evolutionists, etc, will even deny the fact that their own worldview is a religious one, and have been responsible for some of the biggest atrocities, shaping the worldview of the figures that committed those atrocities over the last 200 years (Hitler, Stalin, Mao, & others, mass murdering the Aborigines for their skulls to sell to Museums, Columbine shooters, etc).

-Just as an extra example of such hypocrisy, the world has recently been inflamed with Brunei for its recent implementation of Sharia Law, Islamic political law which exacts harsh punishments (which amazingly CNN admitted), which (among other things) calls for the death penalty of homosexuals and for adultery, mutilation for stealing, etc. And yet, these same media organizations, political leaders, celebrities, etc. haven't had a problem with the existence of Sharia Law as a part of Islam. They've insisted that Islam is peaceful and purely a religion. They've had spokespeople say Sharia is a beautiful thing and is simply a way of living, by choice of the individual. They maintain diplomatic ties with countries (such as Saudi Arabia and others) that are also under Sharia Law and do not condemn them. They allow such countries to participate in human rights councils, etc.  



*What will people focus on, and why they really shouldn't:

-They will focus on silencing all criticism of Islam (no matter how legitimate such concerns are) and call those who bring up these concerns (even if they have been personally affected by it) as Islamaphobes, bigots, and racists (which doesn't make any sense). No matter what is done in the name of Islam or how often. This, unfortunately, will only lead to more frustrated people who believe their only chance of getting the world to listen to their concerns is by doing an act of violence, which will only feed the downward spiral of silencing legitimate concerns and then more backlashes. They will also refuse to highlight acts of Islamic terror because quite honestly they happen far too frequently, and those ignoring them don't want to believe that they have anything to do with Islam. In doing so, they will also completely ignore, as they have been doing, Christians and other minorities who are constantly under attack for their faith. Church bombings, executions, kidnappings, torture, etc. Even Christian refugees can't stay in the refugee camps, and many who apply for refugee status in countries like the UK are unfortunately mocked and denied. They will highlight any further attacks against Muslims to give the false impression that Muslims are constantly under threat.

-They will focus on President Trump, conservatives, and Christians, and paint them as the enemy, when they had nothing to do with this.

-They will focus on stricter gun laws, even though the best way to stop a future shooting rampage, or knife stabbing spree, or vehicles plowing through crowds of people, etc, is an armed populous, well trained, and the enforcement of laws already on the books to ensure people with criminal records or (true) mental health issues can't legitimately purchase a firearm.

-They will likely focus on painting themselves (hypocrites that they are) as being the ones that truly want peace, and truly want to stop violence and hatred, AND are the ones with the answers on doing so. While they silence, hate, and smear everyone who disagrees with them, and ignore (or obfuscate and twist some of) the constant terror attacks happening around the world from the Muslim community (again, there are peaceful Muslims, yes, but that is despite the clear teachings of the Islamic sources, not according to those sources). Yet, instead of looking into it, the left wants to ignore it and silence any peaceful criticism of it (which only leads to a build-up of tension), then explode in selective moral outrage when a loose nut finally breaks and backlashes.



The ONLY real solution, or perhaps first steps to a solution, is the allowance and encouragement of peaceful dialogue, and to treat the Muslim community, and their religion, and Muhammad the same as everyone else. Everyone else is subject to scrutiny, criticism, mockery, defending their positions, etc, and NO ONE else commits acts of violence over these things (no matter how sacred the thing is that such scrutiny is being directed towards). Yet, the Muslim community is protected from this normal Western way of doing things, because a good many of them will react with violence to such things which everyone else is subject to. You don't have a right in the West to be protected from your feelings getting hurt, or from your belief or a religious figure you follow from being criticized, or even mocked. Well, I guess NOW you do, as the political left continues to act as though WE were living under Sharia Law.


And that's that. Please take the facts into consideration, and don't do what the mainstream media wants you to do. PS, I live in a Muslim majority country, I have Muslim friends and family, pay attention to people who look behind the scenes, don't work dirty like the mainstream media does, and who keep track of the news you don't hear every day, and I've actually looked into the Islamic sources myself. I'm also a Christian, so I know how the two compare.  

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