New Zealand ChristChurch mass shootings >:( >:(

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Very nice summary. One thing you kind of overlooked is that he specifically said he intended to cause freedoms such as second amendment rights to be taken in reaction to his acts, specifically in the USA, which he hoped would result in civil war (probably right). The fact is these governments around the world are giving him everything he had hoped for on a silver platter.

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Very nice summary. One thing you kind of overlooked is that he specifically said he intended to cause freedoms such as second amendment rights to be taken in reaction to his acts, specifically in the USA, which he hoped would result in civil war (probably right). The fact is these governments around the world are giving him everything he had hoped for on a silver platter.

Thank you very much. I'll amend my reply with your quote. Thank you.

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Max Igan Banned From Youtube For Exposing Christchurch Massacre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov6ZqMeT-MM

[nutildah]

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Very nice summary. One thing you kind of overlooked is that he specifically said he intended to cause freedoms such as second amendment rights to be taken in reaction to his acts, specifically in the USA, which he hoped would result in civil war (probably right). The fact is these governments around the world are giving him everything he had hoped for on a silver platter.

There will be no civil war in America for a long time. I'm willing to place a gentleman's wager with you. You tell me the number of years you want to wait and I'll agree to it. 5, 10, 15, 20... have your pick. Regardless of what you think this guy wanted, if anybody else had done it who hadn't written a "manifesto" beforehand, the New Zealand government would have responded in the exact same way.

How's your 2nd amendment freedom being effected because of this again?

An Australian shoots up a mosque in New Zealand, and American conspiracy theorists are going beserk, blaming some invisible world government instead of the shooter. That's nice.

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There will be no civil war in America for a long time. I'm willing to place a gentleman's wager with you. You tell me the number of years you want to wait and I'll agree to it. 5, 10, 15, 20... have your pick. Regardless of what you think this guy wanted, if anybody else had done it who hadn't written a "manifesto" beforehand, the New Zealand government would have responded in the exact same way.

How's your 2nd amendment freedom being effected because of this again?

An Australian shoots up a mosque in New Zealand, and American conspiracy theorists are going beserk, blaming some invisible world government instead of the shooter. That's nice.

Define your terms. What is civil war? Give me an objective metric.

This event is being used to disseminate several narratives, mostly based on fear, which are being used by various governments world wide to remove human rights, such as the constitutional rights to free speech and self defense. This event is being used to condition people using fear to give up these rights based on the promise that if they do submit they will be safer. This is a game of incremental stripping of rights event by event, each time chipping away piece by piece until we are all basically in a global prison system. We are all connected, we are all here on the internet watching these events unfold and discussing them. To pretend these events happen in isolation is asinine. One day its in New Zealand, the next it is in Europe, then in the US, each event cast in such a way as to build upon this narrative of fear. It is classic Hegelian dialectic.

THESIS + ANTITHESIS = SYNTHESIS

Submit your rights and we will make the fear go away. This is the perpetual and unyielding refrain of dictators and slave masters. Just give up a LITTLE BIT more and everything will be ok. The masses are being prepared for harvest. You can ignore this message if you want, but it will not ignore you.

[nutildah]

There will be no civil war in America for a long time. I'm willing to place a gentleman's wager with you. You tell me the number of years you want to wait and I'll agree to it. 5, 10, 15, 20... have your pick. Regardless of what you think this guy wanted, if anybody else had done it who hadn't written a "manifesto" beforehand, the New Zealand government would have responded in the exact same way.

How's your 2nd amendment freedom being effected because of this again?

An Australian shoots up a mosque in New Zealand, and American conspiracy theorists are going beserk, blaming some invisible world government instead of the shooter. That's nice.

Define your terms. What is civil war? Give me an objective metric.

This one is pretty good.

Civil war - a war between opposing groups of citizens of the same country.

For reference is the American Civil War. I would think it would mean a prolonged, armed conflict between two deeply divided factions within the same country. If one half of the military supports one side, and the other supports the other, that's a civil war.

Submit your rights and we will make the fear go away. This is the perpetual and unyielding refrain of dictators and slave masters. Just give up a LITTLE BIT more and everything will be ok. The masses are being prepared for harvest. You can ignore this message if you want, but it will not ignore you.

It just seems like doomsday has already been imminent for hundreds of years already. At any given point in history there is always a contingency that feels society is on the brink of collapse. No doubt the U.S. will not last forever; perhaps its greatest days are behind it -- perhaps not.

The U.S. is far too unified for there to be an all-out revolt. Everyone is too comfortable and doesn't want to risk giving up what little they have in exchange for anarchy.

Hey, if there's riots in the streets with an organized movement dedicated to toppling the elite, more power to them. Occupy Wall Street was the closest anybody got in recent times, which was still pretty far away, and that ended with a dud.

I'd love nothing more than to see a massive redistribution of wealth from the top 0.1% to the impoverished, but that just ain't happening until something gives way.

Bringing it all back around, bitcoin has certainly helped create a new class of wealth, and sometimes it is being used to level the financial playing field, but it seems like it will soon be another tool of Wall Street from which to profit.

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It just seems like doomsday has already been imminent for hundreds of years already. At any given point in history there is always a contingency that feels society is on the brink of collapse. No doubt the U.S. will not last forever; perhaps its greatest days are behind it -- perhaps not.

The U.S. is far too unified for there to be an all-out revolt. Everyone is too comfortable and doesn't want to risk giving up what little they have in exchange for anarchy.

Hey, if there's riots in the streets with an organized movement dedicated to toppling the elite, more power to them. Occupy Wall Street was the closest anybody got in recent times, which was still pretty far away, and that ended with a dud.

I'd love nothing more than to see a massive redistribution of wealth from the top 0.1% to the impoverished, but that just ain't happening until something gives way.

Bringing it all back around, bitcoin has certainly helped create a new class of wealth, and sometimes it is being used to level the financial playing field, but it seems like it will soon be another tool of Wall Street from which to profit.

That's not a metric, that is just a definition. I know what the definition of civil war is. You offered a wager, now unless you can define an objective metric for us to judge this standard by the whole idea is meaningless.

I would like to point out I at no point said this was an assured event, but one we are in fact being driven towards, and the entire purpose of me even mentioning it is to bring awareness of this trend in the hope that it can be stopped.

I never said anything about doomsday. Everything is cyclical. This is a constant struggle that is as old as society itself. It is a constant give and take between the masses and the elite that never ends. My point is the elite are again making a play for total control once again. This isn't "doomsday" but it might as well be because it has the potential to become that if not addressed. Additionally the fact that it hasn't happened yet is only a result of the fact that people are aware of these happenings and actively resist them. Writing this off because people have been saying it will happen forever is like saying people have been warning me for years that if I stop breathing I will die, but it hasn't happened yet, therefore they must be wrong and I can live without breathing.

Pretty soon the abundance will end, that's when these divisions will really begin to escalate. This time of suffering can either be short lived and something that can be healed, or it can be prolonged or even permanent. Once this starts manifesting there will be no more time to have this discussion, it will be the law of the jungle and survival of the fittest. This is not the end of the world, just another struggle in a long line of struggles that is humanity. This is perpetual and it doesn't go away just because you are convinced it is not an issue. You can ignore reality forever, but you can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality forever. We can either collectively address these issues or simply tell ourselves everything will be ok while the tumor grows and festers within us eventually destroying everything. Big changes are coming for better or worse and we need to be prepared, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, physically, and otherwise. Normality is gone, come to terms with it and adapt, or get run over.

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It just seems like doomsday has already been imminent for hundreds of years already. At any given point in history there is always a contingency that feels society is on the brink of collapse. No doubt the U.S. will not last forever; perhaps its greatest days are behind it -- perhaps not.

The U.S. is far too unified for there to be an all-out revolt. Everyone is too comfortable and doesn't want to risk giving up what little they have in exchange for anarchy.

Hey, if there's riots in the streets with an organized movement dedicated to toppling the elite, more power to them. Occupy Wall Street was the closest anybody got in recent times, which was still pretty far away, and that ended with a dud.

I'd love nothing more than to see a massive redistribution of wealth from the top 0.1% to the impoverished, but that just ain't happening until something gives way.

Bringing it all back around, bitcoin has certainly helped create a new class of wealth, and sometimes it is being used to level the financial playing field, but it seems like it will soon be another tool of Wall Street from which to profit.

That's not a metric, that is just a definition. I know what the definition of civil war is. You offered a wager, now unless you can define an objective metric for us to judge this standard by the whole idea is meaningless.

OK well I have a feeling whatever I propose isn't going to be sufficient, so you name the metric.

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OK well I have a feeling whatever I propose isn't going to be sufficient, so you name the metric.

That's not how this works buddy. I don't really care about your dumb wager, but you suggested it. Unless you can define an objective standard for judging it you are just pulling shit out of your ass for your own personal entertainment. So pick one, define a metric or admit your offer of a wager is a failure.

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OK well I have a feeling whatever I propose isn't going to be sufficient, so you name the metric.

That's not how this works buddy. I don't really care about your dumb wager, but you suggested it. Unless you can define an objective standard for judging it you are just pulling shit out of your ass for your own personal entertainment. So pick one, define a metric or admit your offer of a wager is a failure.

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Very nice summary. One thing you kind of overlooked is that he specifically said he intended to cause freedoms such as second amendment rights to be taken in reaction to his acts, specifically in the USA, which he hoped would result in civil war (probably right).

(Probably wrong). There's no impending civil war in America. But whatever, I already offered to play a game with you. I'm not playing this new one because there's no way to win. Those are the only games you like to play. I could offer you a bunch of different scenarios and you would all say they are invalid, so why waste our respective times.

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OK well I have a feeling whatever I propose isn't going to be sufficient, so you name the metric.

That's not how this works buddy. I don't really care about your dumb wager, but you suggested it. Unless you can define an objective standard for judging it you are just pulling shit out of your ass for your own personal entertainment. So pick one, define a metric or admit your offer of a wager is a failure.

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Very nice summary. One thing you kind of overlooked is that he specifically said he intended to cause freedoms such as second amendment rights to be taken in reaction to his acts, specifically in the USA, which he hoped would result in civil war (probably right).

(Probably wrong). There's no impending civil war in America. But whatever, I already offered to play a game with you. I'm not playing this new one because there's no way to win. Those are the only games you like to play. I could offer you a bunch of different scenarios and you would all say they are invalid, so why waste our respective times.

Well shit, since you said so with zero retort or substantiation, you must be right! Don't get pissy with me because you made a dumb statement then can't even define a metric by which to judge it as is standard literally for every bet ever made, but enjoy your self proclaimed correctitude.

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-snip- I hate politics

poli - means many, ticks are blood sucking bugs, no one in their right mind likes those 

Max Igan Banned From Youtube For Exposing Christchurch Massacre
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov6ZqMeT-MM

https://www.bitchute.com/video/_TSum0TG75M/ worth a mention that this was the vid that got him in to trouble.
Its hard to disagree with Max, he's logical and very strict with "question everything" policy.

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"Former PM Helen Clark is throwing her support behind changing NZ's hate speech laws"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12230745

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^^^ Hate speech laws are really hate speech. They are simply hate speech against hate speech. Anybody who is accused of hate speech under hate speech laws - especially in NZ - shuld reverse the law, using it against whoever is using it against them.

I mean, if someone verbally attacks and takes you to court, they are using hate speech against you by doing it. The least you should do is accuse them right back so that the damages are neutralized.

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"Former PM Helen Clark is throwing her support behind changing NZ's hate speech laws"

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12230745

Former Prime Minister Helen Clark has thrown her support behind a review of New Zealand's hate speech laws and is calling for a social media watchdog to be established, to prevent the spread of extremism online.

ex·trem·ism
/ikˈstrēˌmizəm/
noun
the holding of extreme political or religious views; fanaticism.

So whatever political party is in charge decides what is extreme and what isn't.

[okala]

This is the great danger we always face without gun control, how can a person in his right sense take a gun and kill another person it totally inhuman and gun control must be enacted in full force. May the soul of those killed rest in good peace, what can really result to this level of killing?

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^^^ Now you are getting it. Gun control in full force. The force that is stronger than no guns is guns, unless you want to use A-bombs.

Take a look at the USA. There are millions of people who want to control their own guns. How are you going to take their guns away from them? They aren't going to listen to you when you tell them to trash their guns. So, how are you going to do it "in full force?" Are you going to go against your own principles, and use guns to force them to have no guns?

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"Police Question Citizen About His Facebook Posts?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLCFQaxf150

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^^^ What an opportunity the NZ homeowner had to help out his friends, neighbors, and all freedom lovers! But he blew it.

When the cops came to the door and politely knocked and politely did what they did, they were starting negotiations. They were asking the homeowner for audience. And, the homeowner did a reasonable job of simple negotiation. His negotiation was to be able to film them during further negotiations. The cops declined his terms.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE COPS ASKED. THE HOMEOWNER GAVE THEM HIS TERMS. THEY DIDN'T ACCEPT HIS TERMS. THEY COULD HAVE COUNTER OFFERED.

What could the cops have done differently? They could have thrown out a second set of terms in which they would be filmed for part of it, and not filmed for the rest. In place of filming the rest, they could have offered the homeowner to get a witness or two who could write down what was said. But they didn't.

In other words, the cops made an offer, the homeowner made a counter offer, and the cops simply turned him down rather than making a counter-counter offer.

All that this type of homeowner negotiation does is to make any other homeowner who sees it, feel that he will be on the defensive. Here's what the homeowner should have done.

He should have counter offered with a requirement for a $10,000,000 bond from the cops, to sit out on the front yard with them, and hold an interview. And they would sign a hold-harmless clause for the bond money. He should, also, have required a cash amount for holding the interview. And, he would shut the camera off if he could have a couple of witnesses of his own choosing attend the interview and take notes.

Why would this be better, since the cops would still say "No?" Because average homeowners always need money. And when they see this short footage, the idea of being paid for an interview, along with a $bond for protection, will start to get some of the average homeowners to go on the offensive.

IF the cops and government happened to be willing to do this for the interview, other people would start to do the same, and the country would be bankrupted if government continued.


Cops are just cops. They are not kings, dictators, or God. Neither are the rest of the people in government. NZ is a common law country, with the jury ruling via Queen's Bench. If a cop wants an interview, give it to him... on your terms... and make a chunk of money in the process... or get him to leave you alone.

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NEVER give up your right to self defence. EVER.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/after-new-zealand-banned-guns-only-530-of-300000-people-turned-them-in/