Users should be notified when being put on DT

[mikeywith]

Don't worry about it, many members keep an open eye on new DT members, and once they are proven to not fit for this kind of task, they get excluded, you are a perfect example for this.

[SaltySpitoon]

I didn't really see the intent of this thread as having to do with people being wrongfully added to DT, just that someone added might not be aware that they are on DT. Years ago, I added someone without letting them know, only to get a PM a week later when some drama erupted over nothing, and they wanted no part of it. After that I always asked people's permission, but again two other people asked to be removed shortly after being added, as they began getting dragged into forum drama. It is absolutely something that at the very least a user should know about. An opt out option would be useful as well.

[IdiotCoder]

Perhaps the trust system should allow DT1 users to trust someone without adding them to DT2?

[SaltySpitoon]

Perhaps the trust system should allow DT1 users to trust someone without adding them to DT2?

Thats just sending someone feedback. Leave a note in their feedback that says that you trust them if you personally trust them to do business, but don't want them as a representative of you when leaving others feedback.

[r1s2g3]

I can make a weekly list of changes to DT2. It will be too much to PM them all, but it could be used to review their trust.

I made a mistake "Bank transfer" I thought was irreversible and I mistook "irreversible" for PayPal.

Bank transfers can be reversed too, given the right circumstances. That's not why I excluded you, and this tag was removed before I even saw it. But you seem to think that's the only incorrect feedback you left. This one is much worse:

3- look at this rating > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2270050 ,he gave a negative rating for someone who offers to pray for people, whether you believe in prayers/God or not, you should not tag someone for that, specially that the accused member does not even ask for money in return for his "prayers".

I don't like any religion, but I do believe (pun intended ) users shouldn't be tagged for their believes, "offering religious services" or their opinion in general.

@LoyceV

If you able to find the archive copy of that OP when it first published because I guess that thread is changed now (after the -ve feedback by idiot coder).
I remember in first copy ,it was paid service and it look like same as newbie asking loan without collateral.

Ok, I also do not want to involve in religion but I do not think Idiot Coder is wrong on that feedback because it was paid service which cannot be measured (so I can say it is some kind of scammy/shady deal)

[LoyceV]

@LoyceV

If you able to find the archive copy of that OP when it first published

It's too old, I don't have it.

I remember in first copy ,it was paid service and it look like same as newbie asking loan without collateral.

It's the services section, if it's free and not related to Bitcoin it shouldn't even be on that board.

Ok, I also do not want to involve in religion but I do not think Idiot Coder is wrong on that feedback because it was paid service which cannot be measured (so I can say it is some kind of scammy/shady deal)

That's the problem with trusts without Reference. It literally says: "offering religious services.", which isn't against any rules.
Of course you can argue it's scammy/shady, but you can argue that for any religion. Praying can't be measured, but I don't think that's the point of prayers. It's more like selling a dream, and if it makes someone happy to pay someone to pray for him, by all means, let them use Bitcoin for it!

[IdiotCoder]

I will admit I am an atheist, and perhaps I shouldn't let my religious views affect my ratings, but this is a science and technology forum. As I said, religion has no place here.

[LoyceV]

I will admit I am an atheist, and perhaps I shouldn't let my religious views affect my ratings, but this is a science and technology forum. As I said, religion has no place here.

I'm not religious either, and I totally agree. But: this forum supports freedom of speech more than any other forum I know, and that's a valuable thing to cherish.

[suchmoon]

it was paid service which cannot be measured (so I can say it is some kind of scammy/shady deal)

There is nothing to measure. The service is free (donation optional) and is literally based on faith, not pretending to be anything else: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4632723

[IdiotCoder]

I would have kept my opinion to myself in the praying example if I knew I was DT. It's kind of like kicking someone when they're sleeping.

I don't want to give away too many personal details but I'm a borderline paranoid schizophrenic and I do have a mood problem. I never wanted to be DT because of this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizotypal_personality_disorder

[DireWolfM14]

I would have kept my opinion to myself in the praying example if I knew I was DT. It's kind of like kicking someone when they're sleeping.

Why would being DT have anything to do with how civil or friendly you behave?  That's like a cop saying he wouldn't have given you a speeding ticket if he knew the judge was going to charge you a fine.  This is exactly why I decided to remove you from my trust network.

Here's a little tip that may help you throughout your existence, not just on the forum:  Behave as if someone whom you truly respect is always watching you.  The test of true character is how we behave when no one is watching.

[IdiotCoder]

I've deleted the feedback.

Never put me on DT again, please. I'm never sending another rating again.

[TECSHARE]

@LoyceV

If you able to find the archive copy of that OP when it first published

It's too old, I don't have it.

I remember in first copy ,it was paid service and it look like same as newbie asking loan without collateral.

It's the services section, if it's free and not related to Bitcoin it shouldn't even be on that board.

Ok, I also do not want to involve in religion but I do not think Idiot Coder is wrong on that feedback because it was paid service which cannot be measured (so I can say it is some kind of scammy/shady deal)

That's the problem with trusts without Reference. It literally says: "offering religious services.", which isn't against any rules.
Of course you can argue it's scammy/shady, but you can argue that for any religion. Praying can't be measured, but I don't think that's the point of prayers. It's more like selling a dream, and if it makes someone happy to pay someone to pray for him, by all means, let them use Bitcoin for it!

This is a great example of why this forum is special and why people should be left the fuck alone unless they are directly harming other people. Some 3rd party idiot is ALWAYS going to have SOME KIND of objection to something people decide to do of their own free will. Unless there is a victim, I don't think it is any of their fucking business to begin with, and furthermore this mentality of getting into everyone's business is itself repugnant and antithetical to Bitcoin itself.

Bitcoin was created to serve as a person to person method of exchange in order to prevent 3rd parties from dictating to others what they can trade and how. Of course immediately people demand to be able to dictate to others once again regardless if it is hurting anyone or not... This is why I advocate a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws as a standard for rating, so that unless there is a victim and physical evidence of some kind, people get left the fuck alone and are not subject to this weird Stalinesque regime where the trust cops pick a target then find the crime.

[The Cryptovator]

Perhaps the trust system should allow DT1 users to trust someone without adding them to DT2?

There is, if any DT1/DT2 trust you they are free to leave positive feedback's on your profile and some day it will green trust if you not get any negative feedback's from other DT. I trust someone it doesn't mean I have to add them on my custom trust list. We should add them whom feedback's we trust. If any DT1 add someone on his custom trust list that means added user will be DT2. If DT1 left you positive feedback that means he only trust you, and he doesn't trust your feedback's.