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The latest attack by one crazy individual
You're late to the party, the book was released 3 years ago. And I must add that it did this during a bear market. Crypto currency community to Right wing extremists Bitcoin’s early origin in right-libertarian Anarcho-capitalism
those two things might look the same at first glance for somebody that is not familiar with the terms but are two different beast How many people in your circle of friends and family are into Right-Wing Extremism?
It comes to defining what right-wing extremism means. If we take only the anti-communist and nationalism part I have probably ten times more fiends that can be classified like this than ones using cryptos ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Bottom line, who's this guy anyway?
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March 20, 2019, 05:36:45 PM |
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The book, The Politics of Bitcoin: Software as Right-Wing Extremism by the author David Golumbia are one of these examples that are frequently quoted. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Bitcoin’s early origin in right-libertarian Anarcho-capitalism is also used as a tool to blemish it's reputation. A lot of other people have since then, started to use Bitcoin and most of them do not even support these political groups. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) I think it's rather wrong even if we look at ideological bitcoiners. The idea of freedom from authorities is leftist, the idea of equality (which can be derived from decentralization, I guess) is laos leftist. The only right-wing thing here is, I guess, free economic system where those who are the best get the best revenue (oh, and private property thing). In any case, it's far from extremism. And in any case lots of different kinds of people use money in general, so it's indeed ridiculous to label the users of one of the kinds of money by some of its users with certain ideas.
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March 20, 2019, 08:11:42 PM |
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The latest attack by one crazy individual and some money that was invested in the Ponzi scheme, Bitconnect, now automatically ties many people in the Crypto currency community to Right wing extremists. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) <If you believe all the crap that are posted on the Internet now> ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The book, The Politics of Bitcoin: Software as Right-Wing Extremism by the author David Golumbia are one of these examples that are frequently quoted. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Bitcoin’s early origin in right-libertarian Anarcho-capitalism is also used as a tool to blemish it's reputation. A lot of other people have since then, started to use Bitcoin and most of them do not even support these political groups. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) How many people in your circle of friends and family are into Right-Wing Extremism? ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) <I know 1000s of people who has no political connection to these extremist groups> ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Let's not label a whole group of people, if a small minority of them use the technology for their extremist agendas. ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) <The shooter used cash and credit cards too, so we should automatically label all cash and credit card users as Right-Wing Extremism too?> ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) It is simply unfair to label an entire user base of a currency something based on what a select few are. It's like saying that all fiat currency users are drug dealers, because a few people use cash to deal in illicit drugs. Now you see where the flaw of that argument is. The fact is that the network can be used by anyone, regardless of what their political stance is. Bitcoin itself is completely non-political, and decentralised, and it is futile to try to assign some sort of political standing to the code that is underlying bitcoin. And I certainly don't think decentralisation through blockchain is anything political either.
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March 20, 2019, 08:24:40 PM |
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Everyone at some point will be called a right wing extremist by a deranged leftist. It sucks that they get so much exposure on mainstream media, but you can't do much except ignore them.
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I think the general rule of thumb is this : If you do not follow like a sheep, you get labelled as an outsider, weirdo, rebel, extremist and whatever negative connotation they can think of at the time. Let's not forget that early users of the internet were labelled as porn addicts and pedophiles and money launderers, so the same thing is happening with Bitcoin users now. My message to all of you are not to be swayed by the ignorance of the sheep and to ignore the labels that are placed by stupid people. ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Surprisingly there isn't a coin dedicated to extremist values like a nazicoin so I guess they are using bitcoin and a mixer or something like Monero instead. Most use fiat anyways
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Sometimes i wonder why if some people abusing bitcoin and people generally considers bitcoin users was bad but me bitcoin users and i'm obviously not an extremists and it is too cruel if people considers bitcoin users such as that but indeed bitcoin just like weapons which is it could bad in the wrong hand but it could be change to usefull if in the right hand so in this case depend on the people themself that what is their purposse when decide to use bitcoin
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Woah, that's a lot of emojis you have there in your post I don't understand how you could even put all Bitcoiners into one particular political group, I've seen some very diverse people use Bitcoin. Sure there's right-wingers who tend to use it, just because they get banned on other platforms, but that's the beauty of Bitcoin. On the other hand, there are also many people who I'd consider left-wing that make use of Bitcoin. Bitcoin has no political color, it's literally here for everyone to use, that's what makes it so enticing for a lot of people. I mean, it just has a lot of benefits compared to the regular banking system, I don't see why that would attract only one particular group of people. heck, a lot of people are disgruntled by the regular banking system, both on the left and on the right.
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But libertarianism itself has not much in common with right-wing extremism. Oh no, libertarianism is being connected with right-wing extremism whether it makes any sense or not. Opponents of libertarian ideals are the suspects here, and that makes widely feted pro-ponents of libertariansm suspects too (Ron Paul etc). Why do people who publicly identify as libertarian so consistently endorse racism or corporatism, when both those are incompatible with libertarian principles? Why indeed.
Here's the problem with these ideological arguments: Bitcoin is both collectivist and individualist simultaneously, so capitalists can attack Bitcoin for being socialist, and socialists can attack Bitcoin for being capitalist. They cancel each other out. Bitcoin is: Socialist: running the Bitcoin software enforces rules equally amongst the participants to everybody's benefit, very much a socialist concept Capitalist: the equal enforcement of the rules enables individual rights, the right to spend your own money how and when you like Which is great, because it proves you don't need corrupt politicians and/or institutions to administrate a transparently fair money system
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Surprisingly there isn't a coin dedicated to extremist values like a nazicoin so I guess they are using bitcoin and a mixer or something like Monero instead. Most use fiat anyways
Extremist values have no reason to exist outside of the scope of another coin, and even with this in mind, there have been some actual nazi projects started as a joke - or as a provocation to see whether decentralization is real, or if censorship is indeed possible. The crypto community generally does a good job at rendering them irrelevant, although sometimes at the expense of censorship, which proved the troll's point.
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This is the problem when people are starting to be political and labeling other people just because they have Bitcoin or a supporter of cryptocurrency. Sure, there will always be people with extreme beliefs and convictions who can be using Bitcoin but all of these people are also using the US Dollar. Granted that Bitcoin can be utilized by people who have evil intentions but these people are also using any fiat money on their pockets and their bank accounts. Just because extremist are using a form of money does not mean that the type of money they are using for transactions can be part of their evil design. I remember that in a study, only a small percentage of all the money laundering activities are actually conducted using Bitcoin majority of the transactions are still using the fiat money...so how we are not associating the fiat money with money laundering or the people who are into this illegal activities? BECAUSE LINKING SO IS ABSURD! The same thing with Bitcoin.
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The latest attack by one crazy individual and some money that was invested in the Ponzi scheme, Bitconnect, now automatically ties many people in the Crypto currency community to Right wing extremists. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) <If you believe all the crap that are posted on the Internet now> ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) The book, The Politics of Bitcoin: Software as Right-Wing Extremism by the author David Golumbia are one of these examples that are frequently quoted. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Bitcoin’s early origin in right-libertarian Anarcho-capitalism is also used as a tool to blemish it's reputation. A lot of other people have since then, started to use Bitcoin and most of them do not even support these political groups. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) How many people in your circle of friends and family are into Right-Wing Extremism? ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) <I know 1000s of people who has no political connection to these extremist groups> ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Let's not label a whole group of people, if a small minority of them use the technology for their extremist agendas. ![Angry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/angry.gif) <The shooter used cash and credit cards too, so we should automatically label all cash and credit card users as Right-Wing Extremism too?> ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) We can add that to yet another crypto jokes lists Why Right-Wing Extremism why not Left one There is possible to write whatever imagination will tell and publish in internet Maybe author will accept paynents with btc or donations Pure nonsense but freedom of speech is freedom of speech
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Just take a look at the Politics & Society sub-forum. The orientation was centrist to moderate-right until a few years back, but now most of the users are those with leftist and far-leftist ideology. The moderator is also far-left, and constantly deletes any post that is even remotely to the right-wing. The media need to check their facts before generalizing more than 100 million people!!!
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March 27, 2019, 04:28:32 AM |
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You will find that the left wing establishment media is quick to mislabel and broad-brush to tarnish the other side... and ignore Left-wing extremism. Not too quick on waiting for facts to come in it would seem. You mentioned a shooter, are you talking about the NZ shooter? I heard he said he's a bit left and a bit right, a self-proclaimed eco-fascist, who admired Communist China, didn't like Trump or Conservatives, and wasn't a Christian... so... not sounding very "right wing" at all. Those things I'd say are more associated with the Left. And he wanted to start racial tensions and war - which seems like something the Left has been pushing during this Presidency. They may try to cling on to him being a white nationalist, but that is not a true right wing trait and is more associated with the Left in my opinion (that would take some historical unpacking). Of course, important questions, like how did an Australian get those weapons into NZ will be ignored (maybe that's already known? I haven't kept up on the news) and it's straight to gun prohibitions (aren't they already pretty strong over there?), despite the fact that the shooter(s) were stopped from doing a second shooting by an armed citizen... couldn't let future citizens defend themselves, right? Meanwhile, the same media will largely ignore the myriad of terror attacks that have happened since then in the Middle East and Africa, and elsewhere, church bombings, etc.
But ya, it's no surprise they want to mislabel Bitcoin as well.
Have a good day, The Cyberius team
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March 27, 2019, 11:55:21 AM |
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I think this not right to labelled in that way. I think media is the root of all of this over react to this issue there is a news and I also witness here in Ph particular in Cabanatuan Nueva Ecija,that there is an couple who are jailed because they takes peoples investment using coins.ph. Businessman,employee,police and some politicians are the victim.
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Leonardo7
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March 27, 2019, 12:12:57 PM |
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It's okay to attack new money, whereas the old money otherwise the local currencies are been used to scam people all over the world through money doubling and some MLMs( Multi-Level Marketings) that have no working product. The sure truth is that some fraudulent elements will always devise ways to scamming people by capitalizing on man's lazy nature and greed.
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March 27, 2019, 01:21:02 PM |
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Just take a look at the Politics & Society sub-forum. The orientation was centrist to moderate-right until a few years back, but now most of the users are those with leftist and far-leftist ideology. The moderator is also far-left, and constantly deletes any post that is even remotely to the right-wing. The media need to check their facts before generalizing more than 100 million people!!!
Hmm... What if someone start saying in media that Bitcoin is re-distributing wealth to poor people, even if it is not true will it help those leftists who call BTC a right-wing currency to calm down? Just imagine Bernie Sanders promoting cryptocurrencies lol.
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