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March 30, 2019, 11:13:53 PM
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Venezuela is past the point where they had an excess of cheaper energy that might have been relevant to mining.   Its not about that now, its about not starving and allowing the most basic of trading to occur because there is no alternate besides barter of dissimilar goods which is highly inefficient and hard to do.

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I just spotted this on twitter, discussing the problem facing electric cuts and crypto.   One organisation was or is trying to supply families with at least $1 per day and facilitate a trader to accept this value for goods, etc
https://www.chepicap.com/en/news/8533/brian-armstrong-talks-about-issues-with-sending-crypto-to-venezuela.html

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March 31, 2019, 04:54:25 AM
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Venezuela facing hard economic crisis over the years, and the past month it begun to recover slowly. Now once again the scenario is going worse with nationwide powercut. Mundro indicates USA as the cause, even the capital city Caracas too is experiencing the same. Business people prefer moving out of the country, as they've lost hope of the recovery.

Will this make any impact on the global cryptocurrency economy as electricity is a much required resource for the successful functioning of bitcoin and major other cryptocurrencies in the market. I believe such scenario will never happen with any of the countries around.
Well the problem with the cryptos is obvious, the number of transactions with bitcoin and altcoins must have decreased notably, electric power is vital, along with the internet, but because the damage is or must be very large, Maduro says it is sabotage of the USA, something totally absurd, and little by little the country can be put out, if these blackouts continue I have considered going to another country to be able to work under normal living conditions for myself and my family.

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March 31, 2019, 05:14:54 AM
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Venezuela facing hard economic crisis over the years, and the past month it begun to recover slowly. Now once again the scenario is going worse with nationwide powercut. Mundro indicates USA as the cause, even the capital city Caracas too is experiencing the same. Business people prefer moving out of the country, as they've lost hope of the recovery.

We also have to look at the timing, I personally think this is politically motivated. Black out happened prior to a big rally being plan by the Anti-Maduro factions on March 8, coincidence? Whose to blame? US? Maduro? Who will benefit more from the said outage?

Will this make any impact on the global cryptocurrency economy as electricity is a much required resource for the successful functioning of bitcoin and major other cryptocurrencies in the market. I believe such scenario will never happen with any of the countries around.

We have seen that it has no effects whatsoever to global crypto currency ecosystem. But the sad part is the collateral damage, those children. We as adult can somewhat tolerate heat or cold. But those children, damn, it will be very hard for them to cope with this circumstances.

 
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March 31, 2019, 05:31:09 AM
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We have seen that it has no effects whatsoever to global crypto currency ecosystem. But the sad part is the collateral damage, those children. We as adult can somewhat tolerate heat or cold. But those children, damn, it will be very hard for them to cope with this circumstances.
Maybe you were right,
The power cut in Venezuela won't affect the global cryptocurrency economy since Venezuela is barely considered as one of the users of the currency. If you will check the statistics and the forecast, you will never see Venezuela as one of the drivers of bitcoin. Usually, you'll see China, Russia, us and Japan as the players and if one of them had a nationwide power cut, then that is the time that would affect the cryptocurrency economy.

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March 31, 2019, 09:19:56 AM
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STT, I've quoted your post so that people know where I took the pic from but this is not directed at you.

So, the guy is an IDIOT!!!

In 2016 there was a serious drought that made the Guri Dam almost useless, and that dam is responsible for 60% to 70% of the energy in Venezuela.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-energy/drought-hit-venezuela-awaits-rain-at-crucial-guri-dam-idUSKCN0XA1WL

It was 3 years ago, and it did happen also at a smaller scale but still enough to disrupt everything in 2010 and 2012.

If you didn't anticipate this in a country where blackouts due to either maintenance or weather are the norm then you're a moron!!!! There is nothing to differentiate you from a guy that plans to sell ice cream in the desert only to find out there is no way to keep the ice cool enough there.





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March 31, 2019, 11:58:17 AM
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Venezuela facing hard economic crisis over the years, and the past month it begun to recover slowly. Now once again the scenario is going worse with nationwide powercut. Mundro indicates USA as the cause, even the capital city Caracas too is experiencing the same. Business people prefer moving out of the country, as they've lost hope of the recovery.

Will this make any impact on the global cryptocurrency economy as electricity is a much required resource for the successful functioning of bitcoin and major other cryptocurrencies in the market. I believe such scenario will never happen with any of the countries around.
Some strange things happens over there and it frightens me regarding our dependence for electricity. At some point this kind of power cut could happen anywhere.
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Venezuela facing hard economic crisis over the years, and the past month it begun to recover slowly. Now once again the scenario is going worse with nationwide powercut. Mundro indicates USA as the cause, even the capital city Caracas too is experiencing the same. Business people prefer moving out of the country, as they've lost hope of the recovery.

Will this make any impact on the global cryptocurrency economy as electricity is a much required resource for the successful functioning of bitcoin and major other cryptocurrencies in the market. I believe such scenario will never happen with any of the countries around.

Most of biggest Bitcoin farms generate its own electricity and that electricity is green. No one will invest huge amounts of money into miners and then relay on someones else electricity. If producing electricity is as simple as mine Bitcoin.
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March 31, 2019, 03:59:28 PM
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Most of biggest Bitcoin farms generate its own electricity and that electricity is green. No one will invest huge amounts of money into miners and then relay on someones else electricity. If producing electricity is as simple as mine Bitcoin.


Really?
You know this whole green electricity is a myth and has been busted a lot of times:

Canada - gas:
https://www.btcnn.com/crypto-mining-news/canadian-oil-companies-use-natural-gas-to-power-bitcoin-mining-machines/

Montana - coal:
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/montana-senator-closing-coal-plant-could-hurt-bitcoin-mining-industry/

Australia- coal:
https://ambcrypto.com/australias-dirtiest-coal-plant-to-be-reopened-for-bitcoin-mining/

Perm - gas:
https://www.rt.com/business/415811-russia-power-station-cryptocurrenct-mining/

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Know what? These issues are not unique to Venezuela. Each and every socialist country is going to end up this way. The problem with socialism is that after a specific time period, three will be no rich people left to tax. All the rich would have migrated to some sane country, or they would have become poor.
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You know, people seem to find ways to survive under the most difficult circumstances and the people in Zimbabwe has been a perfect example of that. Their economy has collapsed and they live in a impoverished country, but they are still using mobile phones to make transactions via M-PESA. The cellular networks are still functional and people are still doing business, without having to rely on a failing fiat currency. <hyper inflation>  Wink

There are several ways to generate your own electricity from small solar panels to charge your phone or small generators.  Wink

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So bad for this people who live there, but let say they buy solar panels, if there is no signal on phone what can they do with phone? I think only radio works there if powercut will be more than 1 week.
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Know what? These issues are not unique to Venezuela. Each and every socialist country is going to end up this way. The problem with socialism is that after a specific time period, three will be no rich people left to tax. All the rich would have migrated to some sane country, or they would have become poor.

Right, a lot of countries specially developing and third world countries are experience crisis. What's unique in Venezuela though is that the issue about the electricity. They are already in the worst situation, and add the nationwide power-cut? I don't know, If I'm in there then I would have left the country.

This country is very rich in oil. But what happened? It's because of the government's mishandling of everything that why the countries sinks deeper and deeper.

Now, everyone need to find ways to survived, even the bitcoin mining farms (if there is still at this point.)

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I'm sure the United States has something to do with this. They want to take control over Venezuela like they have done with the middle east over the years.  Valuable oil and other resources up for grabs, they aren't just going to say no when its easy to take.
You've gotta be kidding me. This powercuts have been affecting the country for the past 3 or 4 years, way before the United States started meddling in Venezuela's political affairs, though not at nationwide scale because the Guri dam was still functioning at somewhat decent levels, but since the govt hasn't done any maintenance to this dam in decades, let alone over the last few years when it started to malfunction, it has finally started to collapse.

And unlike the "United States did it" narrative that doesn't have any proof, the whole Guri dam situation has been very well documented for years. So, stop spreading nonsense and stick to real facts.



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April 01, 2019, 03:58:32 PM
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Socialism plus a corrupt government would do this to any country, regardless of how rich it is in resources.

Know what? These issues are not unique to Venezuela. Each and every socialist country is going to end up this way. The problem with socialism is that after a specific time period, three will be no rich people left to tax. All the rich would have migrated to some sane country, or they would have become poor.

Not even just rich people. Can't find the original clip used but I saw a vid where they nonchalantly expropriated a small business and the owner was just crying. Who in their right minds would keep running a business in such an environment? It's all good till you run out of other people's money.

Edit: Here's the Stossel vid, just can't find the original clip it was taken from. https://youtu.be/ACXTTfE4GxM?t=155

Anyway, as an aside....this is why everyone ought to keep at least a little amount of cash on their person.  You never know when the power is going to go out, and food/water/supplies run out quicker than you think.  If you're relying on even a debit or credit card, good luck trying to use that when stores no longer have power.  The first store that opened in my area while the power was out was a Walgreens pharmacy, and they were only taking cash.  It was such a relief to buy some food and a bottle of Coca-Cola, but I only was able to do that because I had some cash on me.

The sad thing is their money has become so useless that you need several bunches of it just to buy a cup of coffee. That's how bad things has become. I heard people have started just using the dollar but I'm not sure if the government has banned that like it did bitcoin.

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Venezuela is now experiencing a complete crisis in everything and, above all, a political one. President Maduro, who actively introduced his centralized cryptocurrency el-petro, backed by oil, is fighting to preserve his power. The parliament of this country recognized this cryptocurrency as illegal.
In addition, it was allowed to civilians who bought and used this Venezuelan coin. Therefore, problems with el-petro cannot be caused by any negative influence on the general state of the decentralized cryptocurrency. only when the country emerges from this general crisis will the Venezuelan cryptocurrency be able to develop normally, if at all, it will not be abolished by the new government.
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When Chavez was the president of Venezuela, they were actually doing quite well. Medicare was free and gasoline was available at $0.1 per gallon. But Maduro proved to be really incompetent. He should just step down and take a flight to Cuba.
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Ok let me explain. The electricity of this country was actually quite good, and we used to export it to both Colombia and Brazil.
In the 60ies and 70ies, that large dam project in the river Guri was completed, it is the third biggest in the continent. It was done to complement the large iron and still mill production of the southern part of the country near the dam, and also supply the rest of the nation. When completed i think not even half of it was needed.

The population grew, and the economy, but everything was well kept and maintained thru the 80ies and 90ies, slowly all the old fossil fuel plants were decommissioned as this clean hydro electricity was plenty for all and there was excess to export too. The earlier governments were "lite" socialists, so called "reformists" (social-democrats). Since the 70ies not much was done to expand this generation and it was deemed unnecessary.

And then came socialism. At first, things seemed fine, with the high oil price socialists did what socialists know to do best: increase spending, and get in debt with others because oil price would never ever go down and more social programs are always needed than worrying about them being sustainable (they never are anyway), and the corruption this makes is incredible.

In the meantime all the democratic institutions were dismantled, and government centered solely on the presidential figure. The charismatic leader Chávez seemed to do things by decree faster than the bureaucratic institutions from the past, being a military commander he essentially ran the country like a commander in a military base, and weakened all those pesky institutions such as the legislative and judiciary branch, no one needs those balances and checks when the commander himself can do a far better job... And then he died, not before appointing Maduro as successor, no one knows why him instead of others. And the oil prices fell. Maduro did not want to stop or reduce any spending, and kept doing it as if nothing had changed, but the money was over. So he ordered the central bank to add zeroes to all the State bank accounts. Now you know there the hyperinflation comes from...

During these last 10 or so years, with inflation and a worsening situation, parts stopped coming for the (way too many) State owned companies, including electricity. Preventive maintenance was stopped and neglected completely. What used to be routine scheduled equip replacement, became more like: "Only if it blows up change it. We need to save what little left we have..." So the time bomb was ticking.

Had Venezuela ever had nationwide blackouts? Yes, even during Chávez in 2010, but after a mere 4 hours later everything was back to normal. But that was then. A backup plan was devised and countless millions of dollars spent, to have enough fossil fuel plants ready in case the dam ever failed again (usually its not the dam, but the very long very high voltage transmission line). By 2011 or so these were put into operation, so we had double what was needed, with the fossil fuel plants switched off most of the time.

And they slowly took everything from those plants, dismantled them, sold them, etc... corruption, corruption, corruption.

Well, socialism spending everything, the budget not cutting it anymore, all purchases stopped. First they start cannibalizing "non essential" things to repair others (since now new purchases were allowed anymore), and to "save" from purchasing parts. When there is no way or means to buy the parts, try to "repair" what we have. Oh and those old transformers taken off by their scheduled end of life, see if you can retro fit them and put them back to work... So now when something blows up after being way past their lifetime, replace it with the things that were also past their lifetime but are still "looking good"...

And then there is the maintenance related to keeping the foliage away from the transmission line. A "menial" work but they had no budget to keep doing it anymore, so meh. A little fire in the woods (which are seasonal in this country) a rogue animal there and poof, there goes the electricity again.

Venezuela has access to the Chinese market, anyone knows China can make ANYTHING. But we are already huge debts with them, and they refused Maduro to give it more loans anymore. If they hadn't driven bankrupt the country, they would have provided anything, as in fact they did years before, with buses, cars, military equipment etc. They want to blame the "sanctions" now that the US did sanction the individuals, but only because the truth of the matter gets conveniently hidden.

Just imagine for a minute there were no "sanctions", and any US company could still deal with them. They wouldn't, because the country IS broke and no one is lending money to them anymore. Socialists just neglect to tend their own debts, its far easier to blame it on "Imperialism" rather to reduce spending and balance the budget.

Since March 8 there have been 5 or more nationwide blackouts, after the first one they switched off all auto control, went to manual, and have failed to keep things running smooth again. Overloading transformers, making mistakes with loads, we sometimes get high voltage, low voltage, and most often than not, blackouts for hours. Maduro shamelessly announced "load balancing" (rationing) but zero schedule, people can't even prepare themselves, it goes and comes without warning, who cares if there is a patient in surgery or people in an elevator, they just don't care, because they suffer none of it.

Socialists are super hypocrites, they make a super rich privileged class, themselves, and throw everyone else into the utmost misery, and make sure yo keep a strong police state to keep the masses oppressed, with storm groups at their beck and call do the dirty job and keep everyone quiet or else...


When Chavez was the president of Venezuela, they were actually doing quite well. Medicare was free and gasoline was available at $0.1 per gallon. But Maduro proved to be really incompetent. He should just step down and take a flight to Cuba.

Gasoline is still super cheap, its much less than that, you'd need satoshis to be able to express it, i could do the math... But all of that is pointless if the "price" means an entire nation suffering in misery. People can't live by drinking gasoline... But the corruption behind it is overwhelming.

6 VES per liter. 3500 VES = 1 USD, so 1 USD buys 583 (95 octane) liters so 0.0017 USD per liter or about 30 satoshis. Don't laugh, the price in human lives is not worth it. Oh yes, a gallon is nearly 4 liters so 113ish sats per gallon. There is also 91 octane, and that costs a third. Diesel is much much lower.

Electricity price is also ridiculous, but what is the use if they let the grid break completely? Why can't socialists understand that neglecting a social program to save the budget, means saving the entire country from a much worse situation? Ah, because they "hate" economy... That is why.

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Socialists are super hypocrites, they make a super rich privileged class, themselves, and throw everyone else into the utmost misery, and make sure yo keep a strong police state to keep the masses oppressed, with storm groups at their beck and call do the dirty job and keep everyone quiet or else...

unfortunately there are many fanatics who continue to support such regime and still vote for shit like Maduro. In my country we have a regime that is the same as that of venezuela, and the country gets poorer each year, but the people who are in government get rich every year and continue to tell the people that everything is going to change and that they are working for the country develop, when in fact the shit that are in the government of my country are very corrupt and without any morals and ethics

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April 01, 2019, 09:00:59 PM
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Most of biggest Bitcoin farms generate its own electricity and that electricity is green. No one will invest huge amounts of money into miners and then relay on someones else electricity. If producing electricity is as simple as mine Bitcoin.


Really?
You know this whole green electricity is a myth and has been busted a lot of times:

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it is about how people look to save the value of their wealth as the value of local currency tanks.

There are some advantages to Bitcoin in that they could 'carry' it over a border while having no security fears like any normal valuable would have.   That is useful but I still see the greatest purpose for Bitcoin to be in transaction not being saved for a longer period of time exactly

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When Chavez was the president of Venezuela, they were actually doing quite well.

Any conclusion of this type over time, also needs consideration over the graph of the oil price.    If oil were $150 or even just 100 Venezuela might have continued on a bit longer but this is partially a curse of every oil rich country that its possible to make the mistake of neglecting efficiency and ability to self sustain without the oil bonus.
Norway has done the smart thing, maybe other countries.  Its accepted the oil wealth not as not a solution by itself to fund budgets but a credit to be stored for investment because it does not help the countrys economy over the long term.  The oil price right now is actually pretty low, because inflation makes dollar worth less every year especially to any regime not directly connected to the printing presses of the Federal reserve.   Obviously Venezuela failed on the other side which is to deal with costs of production which is not perfect for them requiring refinement.
   Competition and allowing private losses and gains to be made would have made a difference, government never does a job with as much innovation and dedication as personal investment manages to achieve.   I dont want to think about how evil this regime is, there is more like them.  I just would like to hear it said that big government is dangerous and fails horribly, its totally possible in the '1st world' countries also imo

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