Hedge funds with public ROI?

[AmyBrown]

I’ve heard about several good hedge funds in general, including Pantera Capital and Bit Spread, however recently came across Templar Fund and what I really liked was how they make all of their trading reports public even before registering, like you can see the ROI for every 10 days. Does anyone know any other hedge funds that do this? If so i’d love to explore them as well.

[Beerwizzard]

I don't think that any of decent and established hedge funds is offering crypto investments to its clients. Maybe someone if buying some BTC on client's demand but it is only about 1-5% of the portfolio.
Most of the crypto funds that offer 100% crypto portfolio are always untrustworthy and there is a huge risk of being scammed. Wanna invest in shitcoins - buy your own alts and store it on your own wallet.

[tyz]

Does anyone know any other hedge funds that do this? If so i’d love to explore them as well.

When I was studying I had to read some reports of hedge funds for a class myself. There are many who publish their data. The only question is, do you only want hedge funds that invest in Bitcoin/cypto or in general? (with the latter it would be the wrong forum category)

[Indamuck]

Crypto is far too risky for traditional hedge funds right now.  People are not going to put their life savings into an asset that has fallen 80 percent.

Hedge funds generally aren't even worth the money, your better off just sticking your money in index funds.  Hedge fund fees eat away at your profits.

[LeGaulois]

Most of the funds publish their performances from the last 5 years at least. That's how they attract people, otherwise, nobody would take a look at something that can't clearly explain its performances to let people judging.
And of course, they publish the ROI to let shareholders know their dividends.

[Zadicar]

I’ve heard about several good hedge funds in general, including Pantera Capital and Bit Spread, however recently came across Templar Fund and what I really liked was how they make all of their trading reports public even before registering, like you can see the ROI for every 10 days. Does anyone know any other hedge funds that do this? If so i’d love to explore them as well.

Im really aware on these hedge funds things when i was still on Forex trading where there are groups/individuals do really offer services like these but i do still ignore these stuffs
yet its too risky on handling out your funds without the guarantee on making money.It would be much better if you do it on your own.

Answering your question, ive seen some hedge funds here on crypto but i cant name it yet im not really interested at the first place.

[AmyBrown]

The hedge fund i was talking about before offers market making trading desk and isn't that the whole point of lowering the risk?

What i mean by emphasising ROI, is that if the trading reports are public and the returns are good and have been good for a long period of time, why would that be a bad investment? In my opinion, these reports make it clear about which hedge fund could actually be valuable and which are just a waste of time.

[Ucy]

You should have posted the website of the hedge fund so we can help you investigate whether it is a scam or not.
How sure are you that the trading report of templar is genuine? Are there no ways to prove the genuineness rather than believing what they posted? . How good or authentic is the report?
If it too good to be true it probably?

[Lanatsa]

You should have posted the website of the hedge fund so we can help you investigate whether it is a scam or not.
How sure are you that the trading report of templar is genuine? Are there no ways to prove the genuineness rather than believing what they posted? . How good or authentic is the report?
If it too good to be true it probably?

When you try to read it up again he's talking about Templar fund.About of its legitimacy or if its genuine, we cant still be sure yet i havent seen any feedbacks regarding with their hedge funds
and also come to think that 10 days ROI is indeed sounds too good to be true thats why i will have still that doubts anytime.

[AmyBrown]

I think because it might still be relatively new, that's why there's not much reviews. As for the legitimacy of the ROI, at least on their website they sate that the "history trade comes directly from the Bitcoin Mercantile Exchange daily settlement report and trade history". Here's the website https://templar.fund

[alisafidel58]

I haven't heard of this Templar Fund before. There is a risk with their 10 days ROI, it sounds too good to be true that in just 10 days you will get ROI. I don't think that they are even a legit company.

[dothebeats]

That's how they lure their potential customers in: publishing data of their supposed performance over X amount of days/months/years. Transparency has always been their trump card into getting new members for their fund, although I must say that I'm still wary on how they work no matter how reliable or how good the fund was for a long time. As for Templar Fund, they are somewhat new in the playing field so I'm not sure of their legitimacy or not. First thing to do is get a whois of their domain and see whether the details are to be trusted (can't do that right now, if I could, I would have posted the results immediately.)

[traderethereum]

I haven't heard of this Templar Fund before. There is a risk with their 10 days ROI, it sounds too good to be true that in just 10 days you will get ROI. I don't think that they are even a legit company.

The only thing that I can think in my mind from the programs is HYIP. Only HYIP that can give that statement because the other programs need at least 3 months to reach ROI. So, if that is true, then we will see a massive member comes to that site. Same as you, I never heard Templar Fund before, and maybe he can explain more information.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Crypto is far too risky for traditional hedge funds right now.  People are not going to put their life savings into an asset that has fallen 80 percent.

Seriously.  On the other hand, people who are really into crypto--like most of the members of this forum--probably see that fall as a buying opportunity instead of an asset that might be headed toward extinction.  That's the way I'm feeling about bitcoin right now, i.e., it's on sale.

And I thought hedge funds were pretty much only open to the very wealthy.  The only ones I've ever heard of had minimum investments of well over $1 million, and even then you were lucky if they would take your money.  Are there actually hedge funds for the average working-class person?  I know you can invest money in mutual funds easily, but hedge funds?  I've never known anyone with enough money to be into them.

I haven't heard of this Templar Fund before. There is a risk with their 10 days ROI, it sounds too good to be true that in just 10 days you will get ROI. I don't think that they are even a legit company.

Nor have I.  And reporting a 10-day ROI seems weird for a hedge fund to do.  Generally when you invest in them, it's for a very long period of time, and you're not worried about how much money you're making or losing in any given 10 day period.  If that were the case, you'd be better off just trading the underlying asset yourself.

[gentlemand]

The reported losses from hedge funds I've read about were just as dire or worse than us peons. I see no reason to pay someone a fee to set money on fire when I can do it for free. And someone who's been here for long enough will have just as much or more feel and expertise as anyone employed by one.

And this fund charges a 20% fee on the profit.

And just because it calls itself a hedge fund would you choose to trust an operation that has this in its FAQ?



Sod that.

[jjjfff]

Wait.

Publishing this data is not mandatory in regulated funds? I think every registered fund must publish this?

[gentlemand]

Wait.

Publishing this data is not mandatory in regulated funds? I think every registered fund must publish this?

Nope - https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answershedgehtm.html

Hedge funds can be grey in certain circumstances. A crypto hedge fund that claims it doesn't need to do KYC and refuses to acknowledge who any of its personnel are is heading well into total darkness.

[1Referee]

Crypto is far too risky for traditional hedge funds right now.  People are not going to put their life savings into an asset that has fallen 80 percent.

Hedge funds have proper risk management, therefore only allocate a very small percentage of the assets under their control to that what they believe has a relative risk to the down side, but major potential to the up side. In most cases these risky allocations are put into a financial product where people don't even know what it consists of.

People just want to see returns at the end of the day, and as long as they get that, they don't care what they buy into. Sure, there are always those who wants to stay on top of everything and only have exposure to the safer industries, but playing safe while Bitcoin is such a gem is quite a missed opportunity.

The main thing here is that traditional hedge funds warn people of the risks they are exposing themselves to, while crypto related funds have done nothing but paint a sunny picture as in the price will moon to $100,000 so get in while it's still $15,000. These funds should burn hard, and most of them did.

[el kaka22]

In crypto world you should not expect a consistent ROI because even people who are amazing at trading can not provide you with constant profits all the time.

Yeah, there was a ton of them at late 2017 that made a ton of money but look at the market in 2018 and tell me who could make profit in those conditions, so even the hedge funds lost a bit of money.

The biggest "hedge fund" of sorts the berkshire hathaway lost money during the 2008 crisis for example, what matters and what makes them big is the consistent profits over long periods of time and that is doable in berkshire's case because its fiat but in crypto the hedge funds are not that old so we can't really know how good they are until couple years pass, hell even at least a decade is solid reason to wait for them.

[AmyBrown]

Okay, i hear you guys and a few things do seem too good to be true. But at the same time i found their site on Trustpilot, and as i am aware, trustpilot is a pretty legit company that constantly fights fake reviews.

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/templar.fund

They do only have 3 reviews, (as i said, i think they are relatively new), but they're all pretty good.

My biggest question is, couldn't it be that there are so many bad hedge funds out there, that no one really believes that there could actually be a legit one?