Can I SUE A Crypto Ponzi PROMOTER?

[veleten]

if you sued all of the affiliate promoters promoting shady services , half of the affiliate marketers would be serving a jail term
the only case if you can provide evidence that this person knowingly helped to defraud you out of your money
won't be easy and will depend on the lawyers and your countrie's legislation
a quick question - have you withdrawn any money at all from that ponzi at all
and why on earth did you invest into anything that offers 10% monthly ROI , as if it wasn't clear from the get go how would it end?

But he still solicited me into the investment in which he got a % of my profits that the bot generated me!

Isn't that counting for something!?

no , its a very common practice
MLM marketing is built on affiliate commission , otherwise there is no point in promoting things
in fact , he would rather you keep earning than the project turn scam and he lost his income , also I believe you were not his only affiliate
so unless he has been working together with the owners to knowingly scam people luring them to a project that he knew would not pay
he had no intention to defraud you , in any case it would be very hard for you to prove anything in court

[Theb]

I have a strong feeling that the one who recruited you is a "investor" on the ponzi itself and he is not directly associated with the ponzi scheme itself. He is only after the referral commission he will get from you, just like any other users who wants to maximize their income without putting up additional money from any pyramid/mlm scams. At a point in time these users I am referring too are enticed by the referral commission and when it has reached to a point that the pyramid will be having a exit strategy without any trace the people only left are the ones who have recruited you. Now for chasing recruiters if it has proven that they themselves are users of the scam and has been victimized by it I think they won't be severally liable as they aren't really affiliated to the scam company.

[smyslov]

Hi, I got convinced by someone to invest in what I now think is a Crypto Ponzi Scheme Platform that said it could earn 10%+ a month in ROI. The person who convinced me didn't own the platform/company, they were simply a "Referral Marketer" that used that platform's "Referral Link" as apart of their Referral Program. The person would gain 5% of my daily profits from the Platform for referring me.  

The platform has locked my money in there (which is allowed according to their T&C) + my profits have dwindled to 1% a month.

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I want to sue the person who referred me to this platform, but they think otherwise:

Their Argument

- They don't own the platform and are simply "affiliate marketers" for it by using the referral link

- They left the country and live elsewhere (but promoted this platform to me in my country)

My Argument

- They didn't have a financial services license (but Bitcoin in my country is not considered a financial product)

- They didn't have a registered company

Does this mean I could sue the person who referred me too? Or Could I only sue the company behind the actual ponzi platform?

Please let me know if I can sue this person + the costs, process, etc. And if it's worth it at all. I've invested $40,000 and my money is stuck on this platform.  

$40,000 is such a huge amount you should post the name of that Ponzi company, but why not target the real owners of that company, for all you know, he too is an investor of that company, they are just promoter, they do not control the fate of the company, go for the real owner they are the one who made huge and not who refer you.

[magneto]

Thanks everyone, the country I'm from is Australia. The person who promoted it to me is American and he just moved back there.

I guess I can sue him, but I doubt I'd get anything out of it based on all the time and energy I pour into it.

Anyways, based on Australia what do you guys think? I could sue the promoter for $ or they'd just get issued some fine?

You can probably initiate some sort of civil action, but again, I highly doubt that you'll be able to do anything about it.

If the guy isn't even Australian and he's moved back to his home country, it'll be a difficult task to even get him to court let alone try to find compensation for your current situation. Furthermore, you'll probably have to consult a solicitor which will set you back probably a lot in legal fees, and effort in general, as I've mentioned.

Even then, you've got to prove that the guy knew the whole thing was a scam as he promoted to you. It'll be difficult since he's only a referral promoter himself, and not actually involved in the runnings of the scheme. The best thing to do right now is to probably move on and learn a lesson, though you could pursue the legal path if you really wanted to.

[aioc]

You can sue him, but it's not going to worth it because who knows he is just a hapless victim also and a minimum wager only, so better go for the big fish, they are the one who made a huge profit, your referrer does not even have an attorney to defend himself, you might be barking at the wrong tree if you push it.

[imstillthebest]

there are some case that a promoter is also related to the company that he promotes   .  i knew some alot of them , they are dominating on social media sites where promoters create a dummy account to invite other people to join thier company . the bad thing is that there are still people who got tricked because the promoter is too good to be true  .  btw , you can sue them @op but its not easy to caught them because they maybe using fake profile and fake infos  .

[coin-investor]

if you sued all of the affiliate promoters promoting shady services , half of the affiliate marketers would be serving a jail term
the only case if you can provide evidence that this person knowingly helped to defraud you out of your money
won't be easy and will depend on the lawyers and your countrie's legislation
a quick question - have you withdrawn any money at all from that ponzi at all
and why on earth did you invest into anything that offers 10% monthly ROI , as if it wasn't clear from the get go how would it end?

But he still solicited me into the investment in which he got a % of my profits that the bot generated me!

Isn't that counting for something!?

No, I don't think so, the affiliate has no control on all the actions of the program, he too was made to believe that he is promoting something profitable for him and his referrals, affiliates are outside of the program's governing rules, they can even change how many affiliate will get or even scam affiliates.

[TheKeyLongThumbI]

I've never heard of a case in my country where promoters and referrals were sued. I have read of the government issuing them fines but it's typically related to false promotions or misleading advertisements (like on billboards).

Your best bet for success is to look for others like yourself, who lost money, and to find representation willing to go for class action. Then you pursue the business who accepted your funds. See, even if you bring your friend to court and win, your money's with the company and not your friend. Most court could ask is to ask him to return you his referral commission. That's my non-legal expert opinion.

You do have yourself to blame, after all. Hopefully you learnt something from this.

Correct and promoters are also just looking for money and they are only working for that product if they referred you to invest in it. It's better to chase the man or group behind this ponzi scheme because the money you invested is on their pockets and your friend does not have it. But if the case is he is officially connected or one of the members of the scam then you should sue him too.

[Ipwich]

I think your problem will be given much attention if you will consult a professional.

The person would gain 5% of my daily profits from the Platform for referring me. 

That percentage looks ponzi to me, that means you are making daily profit by just investing, I think we should be careful all the time
and has to understand the risk we are taking, anything that looks too good to be true is already suspicious, if I'm in your shoes, I would not invest in that kind.

The promote is not licensed but you trust them, that's one of your mistakes.

[milewilda]

if you sued all of the affiliate promoters promoting shady services , half of the affiliate marketers would be serving a jail term
the only case if you can provide evidence that this person knowingly helped to defraud you out of your money
won't be easy and will depend on the lawyers and your countrie's legislation
a quick question - have you withdrawn any money at all from that ponzi at all
and why on earth did you invest into anything that offers 10% monthly ROI , as if it wasn't clear from the get go how would it end?

But he still solicited me into the investment in which he got a % of my profits that the bot generated me!

Isn't that counting for something!?

No, I don't think so, the affiliate has no control on all the actions of the program, he too was made to believe that he is promoting something profitable for him and his referrals, affiliates are outside of the program's governing rules, they can even change how many affiliate will get or even scam affiliates.

Depending on the case because there are affiliates which are also part of the team itself but proving it out wont really be that easy unless if there are some internal investigation which means you would still need
to have some legal actions towards them if you do really pushes it but i see no point on suing on this case because it would really be a long process knowing that any crypto investment that do involves scam or ran away of
money wont easily be tracked up and also most of the time affiliates are also blind on the legitimacy of the said company they do only care about the commission and most of the time they are also a victim like op.

[marlboroza]

I want to sue the person who referred me to this platform, but they think otherwise

It is irrelevant what they think.

- They didn't have a financial services license (but Bitcoin in my country is not considered a financial product)

If someone steals your car which is is not consider a financial product, can you sue them?

Does this mean I could sue the person who referred me too? Or Could I only sue the company behind the actual ponzi platform?

I am pretty sure person who lured someone to invest in fraud will be seen as an accomplice (laws for that actually exist), you can sue them and they will get some penalty. But what you are looking for here is operator behind ponzi scheme - you need to sue them to get your money back. That is tricky part - they usually can't be found. Contact lawyer and see what are your options.

[Tmdz]

The best you can do is win a civil case and enact claw back laws to take back any money they earned from you in the form of commission.  The lawyer fees alone would likely exceed what you could clawback from them, even if you do win.  So then the only reasonable action you can do is arrange a large class action if this was a big promoter so that you could get a lawyer to sign on and they take a cut for fees if they win.

There this guy online who has made millions promoting mlm's and he has claimed to been sued many times, but says he has won most if not all the cases against him.  So I would say being successful will be very difficult, time consuming and expensive.  In the end its a money and experience type of thing, they got the money and you get the experience.  Don't feel too bad as you could have lost that money gambling, buying alt coins, or in the stock market.

thats life, be safe and buy BTC

[Naida_BR]

Hi, I got convinced by someone to invest in what I now think is a Crypto Ponzi Scheme Platform that said it could earn 10%+ a month in ROI. The person who convinced me didn't own the platform/company, they were simply a "Referral Marketer" that used that platform's "Referral Link" as apart of their Referral Program. The person would gain 5% of my daily profits from the Platform for referring me. 

The platform has locked my money in there (which is allowed according to their T&C) + my profits have dwindled to 1% a month.

---
I want to sue the person who referred me to this platform, but they think otherwise:

Their Argument

- They don't own the platform and are simply "affiliate marketers" for it by using the referral link

- They left the country and live elsewhere (but promoted this platform to me in my country)

My Argument

- They didn't have a financial services license (but Bitcoin in my country is not considered a financial product)

- They didn't have a registered company

Does this mean I could sue the person who referred me too? Or Could I only sue the company behind the actual ponzi platform?

Please let me know if I can sue this person + the costs, process, etc. And if it's worth it at all. I've invested $40,000 and my money is stuck on this platform. 

I think that you can sue the person tha convinced you using his link and he got you involved in this ponzi scheme. If you have proof that this guy offered you financial advice without having any right to do so, they I think it is possible.

Can you let us know which is the platform that is a ponzi scam? It will be good to raise awareness.
And next time don't get overwhelmed by a guy who promises easy money. Most of the cases end up in a scam.

[CryptoBry]

I am not a lawyer nor an expert in the law. Now, based on what I know, people who are promoting a program that eventually became scams especially if they really gained significant money out of it can be sued together with the people behind the program. However, rather than waste your time with the referrers why not instead sue the people who started the program? In my country, scammers can easily get away though there are some exceptional cases of popular scammers that eventually went to jail. Scammers are the people who are tainting the cryptocurrency industry as many people think that just because a program is utilizing Bitcoin it already means that Bitcoin is also a scam.

[Gozie51]

Hi, I got convinced by someone to invest in what I now think is a Crypto Ponzi Scheme Platform that said it could earn 10%+ a month in ROI. The person who convinced me didn't own the platform/company, they were simply a "Referral Marketer" that used that platform's "Referral Link" as apart of their Referral Program. The person would gain 5% of my daily profits from the Platform for referring me. 

The platform has locked my money in there (which is allowed according to their T&C) + my profits have dwindled to 1% a month.

---
I want to sue the person who referred me to this platform, but they think otherwise:

Their Argument

- They don't own the platform and are simply "affiliate marketers" for it by using the referral link

- They left the country and live elsewhere (but promoted this platform to me in my country)

My Argument

- They didn't have a financial services license (but Bitcoin in my country is not considered a financial product)

- They didn't have a registered company

Does this mean I could sue the person who referred me too? Or Could I only sue the company behind the actual ponzi platform?

Please let me know if I can sue this person + the costs, process, etc. And if it's worth it at all. I've invested $40,000 and my money is stuck on this platform. 

I just remember a quote from one of my business class teachers in college who was a lawyer.

"You can sue anyone for any reason, the real question is will you win".

Contact a lawyer in your country and ask them, if they don't want to take the case, you have your answer. Most law firms will take a case if they feel they can make money doing so.

I think the case of winning or not winning here will be based on evidences. Thus, the question of knowledge will come in. Knowledge about whether the suppose accused which would be the referral agent was aware of the ponzi and deceived you into believing and thereby getting you to investing and therefore losing out because of the selfish aim to get 5% in referral.

Another circumstantial evidence that will be adduced to the matter is at what time did the referral agent got to know about the ponzi.

Consequently, you can succeed if knowledge is proven, it will be referred therefore as a case of obtaining by false pretence or trick.

[ene1980]

But he still solicited me into the investment in which he got a % of my profits that the bot generated me!
Isn't that counting for something!?

You can sue him for misleading you into a ponzi scheme and end up in a loss and i am not sure what proof you have to convince that they influenced you into something fraudulent for his benefit and if you can prove that you have a solid case in hand against him but you can very well sue owners of the said service for misleading you.

[marcbitcoins]

Surely we can sue any scammer and Ponzi promoters as long as Bitcoin is declared legal in our country. If Bitcoin is legal then the government is oblige to depend the people of their rights to be protected from this scammers specially if we are paying Bitcoin tax for the government. Just make sure that these people can be easily to be found so that they could be easily to be caught and jailed too.