UFC 236: Holloway vs Poirier 2 Info and Prediction Thread

[tokeweed]

I'm feeling real good with my under 3.5 round bet on Adesanya vs Gastelum after seeing this vid. 

UFC 236:  Vlog Series 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spJIwBADCX4

[Hydrogen]

Initial notes

-Montel Jackson has been a professional MMA fighter for less than 2 years. He's accomplished some amazing things for how short of a career he's had. There's still a question of whether his relative lack of experience could be exposed @ some point. Aside from that he's a good prospect with a good amateur wrestling background as an olympic hopeful who looked for another sport to compete in after wrestling was pulled as an olympic sport(before later being reinstated).

-This is Eryk Anders first fight @ 205 lbs. He's moving up from 185.

-Max Griffin was robbed in his last fight versus Thiago Alves. Officially he "lost". In reality he won.

-Curtis Millender's ground game looked terrible in his last fight. I don't know if Belal Muhammad will shoot for takedowns or if the fight will end up on the ground. Millender could have one of the worst ground games out of anyone in the entire UFC. That's a hole in his game future opponents could look to expose.

[Cloudbet]

Looking forward to this weekend, there's even some fun matchups in the undercards for a change!

We've got tips for the top matchups at UFC 236 over at the Cloudbet blog, written by our guest writer, semi-pro MMA fighter Ernesta Bukauskaite:

Max Holloway v Dustin Poirier

Although Pourier has shown advancement and calibre as a fighter, Holloway is far more nuanced. His skillset is far more advanced and his natural reactions better. He has already dramatically and unquestionably proven himself in his own weight division. We believe that this time, Holloway may be victorious.

Max Holloway to win (1.46)


Kelvin Gastelum v Israel Adesanya

Gastelum is clearly the more balanced fighter and overall has a stronger ground game with more varied finishing power. Adesanya’s strategy relies more on striking and take down defence than does Gastelum’s. However, considering the great advantage in height and reach, we would predict that Gastelum could not get close enough to make an impact with his striking or finish a take down without it being countered and that it is likely that Adesanya will take the victory.

Israel Adesanya to win (1.53)


Nikita Krylov v Ovince Saint Preux

Both fighters are experienced and balanced in their skillsets. However, whilst St. Preux may have taken the victory last time, Krylov has shown progress and greater finishing power. We believe that this time Krylov will likely be the victor.

Nikita Krylov to win (1.85)


Check out the full blog here, including a full breakdown of the games above and the other undercards.

I'll be 'submitting' (geddit!) to our expert's opinion and going with a multi on the above (~4.13) 

Ronnie @ Cloudbet

[TopTort777]

Looking forward to this weekend, there's even some fun matchups in the undercards for a change!

Does Cloudbet blog writes review for each UFC event ?

Btw, if you click on tags in the end of article. For example Bitcoin Sports Betting - you will get forwarded to the other page. But if you click on MMA or UFC - Boom! nothing happens. 404 Page error.

I've checked the blog, there are others review, so this tags should have worked.

[Cloudbet]

Looking forward to this weekend, there's even some fun matchups in the undercards for a change!

Does Cloudbet blog writes review for each UFC event ?

Btw, if you click on tags in the end of article. For example Bitcoin Sports Betting - you will get forwarded to the other page. But if you click on MMA or UFC - Boom! nothing happens. 404 Page error.

I've checked the blog, there are others review, so this tags should have worked.

Great spot, looks like there's something wrong with the tagging - I'll pass that on to our content team now!

We usually try to have blogs written for all the UFC events, and sometimes for the smaller fight night's too. Here's a couple of the previous ones:

- UFC 235
- UFC 234
- Fight Night 144

Thanks,

Ronnie @ Cloudbet

[DeathAngel]

Poirier to win again for me but it’s not a sure thing. A Holloway win wouldn’t surprise me which would set up a deciding trilogy fight.

I’m just leading towards Poirier atm though.

[mich]

UFC 236 weigh-in video
https://www.mmafighting.com/2019/4/12/18306820/ufc-236-weigh-in-video

Main card
Max Holloway (155) vs. Dustin Poirier (154.5)
Kelvin Gastelum (184) vs. Israel Adesanya (183)
Eryk Anders (205) vs. Khalil Rountree Jr. (206)
Alan Jouban (171) vs. Dwight Grant (171)
Ovince Saint Preux (206) vs. Nikita Krylov (205)

Gastelum no problem making weight is worth a small play.

[electronicash]

poirier was just that lucky that day max holloway during their first fight weren't equipped for ground fight but he must be this time. he will win this fight via flying knees and raining straights.

Poirier to win again for me but it’s not a sure thing. A Holloway win wouldn’t surprise me which would set up a deciding trilogy fight.

I’m just leading towards Poirier atm though.

yep a 3rd fight would make money money for Dana which is why its going to be fitting for max to win the fight via tko. 

[pixie85]

The Hawaiian is in top form and I dont see Porier able to keep up.

I don't agree. I predict that Poirier will defeat Holloway and win the championship even though Max is in great form currently. Max wants redemption, but he will end up getting more than what he bargained for at the end of the day.

Poirier all the way in my opinion.

The previous loss can sometimes make a fighter more resilient like that loss Connor got against Nate and turned it around the next time.
Maybe I see it in a different light because I like the underdogs and usually go with them. They are both very good fighters it's going to be a tough fight.

[tokeweed]

Kelvin Gastelum v Israel Adesanya

Gastelum is clearly the more balanced fighter and overall has a stronger ground game with more varied finishing power. Adesanya’s strategy relies more on striking and take down defence than does Gastelum’s. However, considering the great advantage in height and reach, we would predict that Gastelum could not get close enough to make an impact with his striking or finish a take down without it being countered and that it is likely that Adesanya will take the victory.

Israel Adesanya to win (1.53)

Adesanya could throw elbows too.  I think Gastelum could eat a couple good ones and cause some damage. And it's possible that Adesanya was putting more of a show than trying to finish Anderson Silva out of respect imo.  I think somebody already pointed it out in one of the UFC threads.

UFC 236:  Vlog Series 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f68tbwa6us

UFC 236:  Vlog Series 6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieSRUsfiuC8

Edit:  Oh and one of the things to watch to get into the UFC are the press conferences.  They would seem boring but they're def not.  Watch eeet! 

UFC Seasonal Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ABjay32UKE

[Baofeng]

And here are the results:

Dustin Poirier def. Max Holloway via unanimous decision (49-46, 49–46, 49-46) – to win interim lightweight title
Israel Adesanya def. Kelvin Gastelum via unanimous decision (48-46, 48-46, 48-46) – to win interim middleweight title
Khalil Rountree def. Eryk Anders via unanimous decision (30-26, 30-26, 30-26)
Dwight Grant def. Alan Jouban via split decision (29-28, 27-30, 29-28)
Nikita Krylov def. Ovince Saint Preux via submission (rear-naked choke) – Round 2, 2:30
Matt Frevola def. Jalin Turner via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 30-27)
Alexandre Pantoja def. Wilson Reis via TKO (punches) – Round 1, 2:58
Max Griffin def. Zelim Imadaev via majority decision (29-27, 29-27, 28-28)
Khalid Taha def. Boston Salmon via TKO (punches) – Round 1, 0:25
Belal Muhammad def. Curtis Millender via unanimous decision (29-27, 29-27, 30-26)
Montel Jackson def. Andre Soukhamthath via unanimous decision (30-26, 30-27, 29-27)
Poliana Botelho def. Lauren Mueller via unanimous decision (29-28, 29-28, 29-28)
Brandon Davis def. Randy Costa via submission (rear-naked choke) – Round 2, 1:12

Source: https://mmajunkie.com/2019/04/ufc-236-results-dustin-poirier-outlasts-max-holloway-in-stunning-battle-to-claim-interim-belt

I wasn't able to watch the fight, but from what I read, it was an explosive and very entertaining fight. But it was a UD win, meaning Dustin really did a lot of damage. So congrats to those who have pick Dustin to win. Personally, I'm on Max bandwagon, unfortunately, Dustin is his 'kryptonite'.

[tokeweed]

^  Just done watching the replay.  You could always download the torrent from TPB as a last resort.  Tho I would like everybody to know that I don't condone any form of digital piracy. 

Anyway, AAAAWWWSSSOOOMMME MAIN EVENT!!! I can't say more except...  Welcome to LW Mr. Holloway, see you.  Bye! 

[eaLiTy]

I missed the live event and i was not able to make a bet for this event as i was busy today, i have to watch the entire fights now and it looks like Israel Adesanya is poking Jon Jones which is a really really bad idea at this stage in his career as there is no one that could challenge Jones and that too from a fighter coming up in weight and Max Holloway finally lost a fight after a great run and finally Dustin Poirier became an interm champion.

[YuginKadoya]

^  I'd be betting on Poirier cos I think the line on Holloway is kinda steep.  But if it moved giving a bit more for Holloway, maybe 1.70ish - 1.80ish then that's gonna be some nice value for Holloway.

It was a good match for me and Max Holloway is no pushover that gives me chills just watching the fight But after the judge's decisions were made I can say that Poirier has the upper hand against Holloway even though Holloway was punching a straight punch Poirier had him with a crunching devasting punch well it was really a close fight and both men surely gave their all in the fight so I give respect for both of them,  

Max Holloway is the bigger man but Poirier has the reach advantage, but if you are counting experience, Holloway is the champion at 145 and moving up the division for his next belt and how can you neglect that and he is riding a 13 fight winning streak that dates back from 2013 and his striking skills are excellent, i go for Max to win the fight if he is healthy.

I am counting the number of fights and not by the winning streak alone, And if you would really watch many fights in the past you will surely need to experience a lot of losses to really reach greatness, I can say that Poirier was really had some past experience because of his moves alone,

But all I can say is that both men were a great fighter and I was so shock just watching the fight and had the goosebumps because of their performance so I give them both respect and reaching the final rounds of the fight.

[nydiacaskey01]

Too bad Kelvin Gastelum run out of gas on the final rounds of his fight with Israel Adsensya. Israel Adsensya have the reach advantage by 8.5 inches and yet Kelvin Gastelum keeps on closing in and he is within reach of Israel Adsensya. One ting I noticed with Israel Adsensya is he is fast but his punching power is not enough to knock his opponents down. 4 of his 6 UFC wins came from Unanimous Decision.

[TopTort777]

^  Just done watching the replay.  You could always download the torrent from TPB as a last resort.  Tho I would like everybody to know that I don't condone any form of digital piracy. 

Anyway, AAAAWWWSSSOOOMMME MAIN EVENT!!! I can't say more except...  Welcome to LW Mr. Holloway, see you.  Bye! 

I personally don't like this UFC event. Almost no KO in the whole night. Watches both belts fight saying "when...when...when..." but both of them ended with decisions.

[mich]

What a outstanding performance by the young man "The Last Stylebender".
Can not go without saying congrads to Kelvin Gastelum who will be back and put on a good showing.
Israel 2.3 seems like a fairly nice pick for his next in Australia for "The Reaper".

[bbc.reporter]

I reckon Dana's new storyboard for the lightweight division would be Khabib versus Dustin and Tony Ferguson versus Justin Gaethje, and the winners of those 2 fights should be Khabib and Tony for the awaited superfight hehehe.

Also, one of the losers should fight Conor. I want Dustin versus Conor to rematch.

[kenzawak]

I really thought the judges would give it to Holloway at the end. I'm glad they didn't because Poirier deserved the win.
But damn... he should have finished that fight in round one or two. If he had had a decent ground game, it would have been over quickly.
After hitting the guy so many times in the face, just TAKE HIM DOWN !!!

[tokeweed]

What a outstanding performance by the young man "The Last Stylebender".
Can not go without saying congrads to Kelvin Gastelum who will be back and put on a good showing.
Israel 2.3 seems like a fairly nice pick for his next in Australia for "The Reaper".

Against Whitaker...?  Dunno.  It feels like it's gonna be close to a coin flip.  I'd happily take Whitaker as a slight underdog.  Let's hope the bookies get the lines wrong at open.  

And still...  At a coin flip I'd still take Whitaker.