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marlboroza requested theymos put him on the blacklist. Also, marlborozo doesn't have a custom trust list. Quite frankly I don't know what you think you caught a whiff of. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Quicksy's twisting everything into a shit pretzel as usual. marlboroza is doing fine as a DT2 member, doesn't seem too frazzled by the evil DT1 members not heeding his request.
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can you investigate alts voting for lauda now to be fair ?
Investigations usually begin with some sort of evidence or at least a list of suspects. Do you have any? There is one person on lauda trust list that theymos blacklisted from DT1. I am not sure if his DT votes were also blacklisted and it would be difficult to test, it is possible his trust list is setup so that it won’t matter. The person claims to have requested to be blacklisted and opened a thread requesting to be removed from everyone’s trust list but there was seemingly close to zero effort put into this actually getting done. edit: He asked for everyone to not ask any questions, but he was asked a few, but he did not answer anything meaningful. marlboroza requested theymos put him on the blacklist. Also, marlborozo doesn't have a custom trust list. Quite frankly I don't know what you think you caught a whiff of. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Lauda has marlboroza on his trust list. Also, as of Feb 12, marlboroza had many people on his trust list. I would point out that marlboroza says he asked to be blacklisted from DT1, he has not given any details regarding the circumstances as to why he asked to be blacklisted, he asked to be removed from DT publicly, however he has put very little effort into getting this done (very near to zero effort), and he still leaves trust sometimes.
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Lauda has marlboroza on his trust list. Also, as of Feb 12, marlboroza had many people on his trust list. So? I would point out that marlboroza says he asked to be blacklisted from DT1, he has not given any details regarding the circumstances as to why he asked to be blacklisted He was blacklisted. He disappeared from DT1 on the same day he made the original thread, and not when DT1 was next recalculated 3 weeks later. Therefore, theymos must have manually removed him. He is also not required, in any way shape or form, to explain his decision to anyone. and he still leaves trust sometimes. Not wanting to be part of DT has nothing to do with leaving trust ratings, otherwise no one except DT members would ever leave trust ratings.
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Lauda has marlboroza on his trust list. Also, as of Feb 12, marlboroza had many people on his trust list. So? This conflicts with the insulation that he does not want to be on DT1, nor DT2 anymore. I would point out that marlboroza says he asked to be blacklisted from DT1, he has not given any details regarding the circumstances as to why he asked to be blacklisted He was blacklisted. He disappeared from DT1 on the same day he made the original thread, and not when DT1 was next recalculated 3 weeks later. Therefore, theymos must have manually removed him. There is no question that he was blacklisted. The question surrounds the circumstances surrounding him getting blacklisted. He is also not required, in any way shape or form, to explain his decision to anyone. I agree, no questions regarding suspicious activity should be allowed to be asked of him. /s and he still leaves trust sometimes. Not wanting to be part of DT has nothing to do with leaving trust ratings, otherwise no one except DT members would ever leave trust ratings. Right ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) So you are telling me you think it is completely normal behavior for someone to *ask* to be removed from everyone's trust list, and continue sending trust ratings? These two activities conflict with eachother; there is no argument against this.
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Lauda has marlboroza on his trust list. Also, as of Feb 12, marlboroza had many people on his trust list. So? This conflicts with the insulation that he does not want to be on DT1, nor DT2 anymore. I think you misinterpreted the date: Feb 12, I made some improvements to my Trust list viewer, and updated week 4. However, the data dump I used was from Saturday morning before that (Feb 9). Marlboroza created his topic on Feb 12: Add this to your trust list:
~marlboroza I have no reason to believe marlboroza had not emptied his trust list yet, when he created that topic.
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This conflicts with the insulation that he does not want to be on DT1, nor DT2 anymore. Except his trust list was wiped at most 3 hours after starting the thread asking to be excluded: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108783.msg49699653#msg49699653. It was probably wiped before that though, since Loyce's data would have been 3 days old by that point. I agree, no questions regarding suspicious activity should be allowed to be asked of him. /s How is asking to be removed from DT suspicious? If he was asking to be added to DT, you may have a point. So you are telling me you think it is completely normal behavior for someone to *ask* to be removed from everyone's trust list, and continue sending trust ratings? These two activities conflict with eachother; there is no argument against this. Because he could be sending ratings for his own benefit, or he is perfectly happy for his ratings to appear as untrusted to everyone else, you know, just the same as the thousands of forum members who leave ratings but aren't on DT or anyone else's trust list.
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This is quite questionable. When was this change made? Should not all DT1 users be manually reviewed and not automatically placed into the category?
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This conflicts with the insulation that he does not want to be on DT1, nor DT2 anymore. Except his trust list was wiped at most 3 hours after starting the thread asking to be excluded: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108783.msg49699653#msg49699653. It was probably wiped before that though, since Loyce's data would have been 3 days old by that point. Not to mention that people who are not in DT are also allowed, encouraged even, to have trust lists.
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Lauda has marlboroza on his trust list. Also, as of Feb 12, marlboroza had many people on his trust list. So? This conflicts with the insulation that he does not want to be on DT1, nor DT2 anymore. I think you misinterpreted the date: Feb 12, I made some improvements to my Trust list viewer, and updated week 4. However, the data dump I used was from Saturday morning before that (Feb 9). Marlboroza created his topic on Feb 12: Add this to your trust list:
~marlboroza I have no reason to believe marlboroza had not emptied his trust list yet, when he created that topic. I didn’t compare the date of the trust list to the date of his thread. There is a post not long after the thread was opened that shows he has an empty trust list. I would presume he cleared his trust list prior to opening the thread or very shortly thereafter. I was trying to point out that he previously had a trust list before he was blacklisted. This conflicts with the insulation that he does not want to be on DT1, nor DT2 anymore. Except his trust list was wiped at most 3 hours after starting the thread asking to be excluded: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5108783.msg49699653#msg49699653. It was probably wiped before that though, since Loyce's data would have been 3 days old by that point. I agree, no questions regarding suspicious activity should be allowed to be asked of him. /s How is asking to be removed from DT suspicious? If he was asking to be added to DT, you may have a point. So you are telling me you think it is completely normal behavior for someone to *ask* to be removed from everyone's trust list, and continue sending trust ratings? These two activities conflict with eachother; there is no argument against this. Because he could be sending ratings for his own benefit, or he is perfectly happy for his ratings to appear as untrusted to everyone else, you know, just the same as the thousands of forum members who leave ratings but aren't on DT or anyone else's trust list. The suspicious part is that his actions don’t match what he is saying. He is very much aware that his ratings show up by default but he continues to leave ratings despite saying that he doesn’t want them showing up by default. When I first saw the thread, I didn’t think his request was genuine, but I wasn’t sure why he was making the request.
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When I first saw the thread, I didn’t think his request was genuine, but I wasn’t sure why he was making the request.
Yeah but we can be sure that you're trying to make this molehill into a mountain because marlboroza posted not-so-nice things about you recently. You're giving thin-skinned narcissists a bad name. How is this even relevant to the topic of sockpuppets voting for DT1? He doesn't vote nor can be voted for.
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So you are telling me you think it is completely normal behavior for someone to *ask* to be removed from everyone's trust list, and continue sending trust ratings? These two activities conflict with eachother; there is no argument against this.
Maybe he doesn't want the hassle that comes along with having his red tags (or green ones) carry so much weight. It certainly can be a pain in the ass when your PM inbox blows up every day with pleas for mercy, excuses, and everything else that goes along with being a DT member. Ultimately, we don't know why he made the request to be removed, but I don't find anything suspicious about it. Given how warped QS's view of things is, it doesn't surprise me he thinks there's something sinister about marlboroza not wanting to be on DT. And no, marlboroza doesn't have to justify anything to anybody when he hasn't done anything wrong. Yeah but we can be sure that you're trying to make this molehill into a mountain <snip> You're giving thin-skinned narcissists a bad name.
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So you are telling me you think it is completely normal behavior for someone to *ask* to be removed from everyone's trust list, and continue sending trust ratings? These two activities conflict with eachother; there is no argument against this.
Maybe he doesn't want the hassle that comes along with having his red tags (or green ones) carry so much weight. I thought it might have something to do with the realization that he was providing support to those who were promoting scams he claimed to be fighting and him not wanting to be a complete and total hypocrite while maintaining his personal relationships. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5095156.msg49666702#msg49666702
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The suspicious part is that his actions don’t match what he is saying. So what would you have him do instead? Constantly harass everyone with him on their trust list until they remove him? When I first saw the thread, I didn’t think his request was genuine, but I wasn’t sure why he was making the request. Perhaps he was fed up of artificial drama being manufactured by some users for personal gain. I can't say I blame him.
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How is this even relevant to the topic of sockpuppets voting for DT1? He doesn't vote nor can be voted for.
I don't think you are this blind and are playing dumb. As of immidiately prior to him being blacklisted from DT1, he was voting for others in his trust list to be on DT1. So you are telling me you think it is completely normal behavior for someone to *ask* to be removed from everyone's trust list, and continue sending trust ratings? These two activities conflict with eachother; there is no argument against this.
Maybe he doesn't want the hassle that comes along with having his red tags (or green ones) carry so much weight. It certainly can be a pain in the ass when your PM inbox blows up every day with pleas for mercy, excuses, and everything else that goes along with being a DT member. Ultimately, we don't know why he made the request to be removed, but I don't find anything suspicious about it. The thing is that he does not appear to actually want to be off DT. He has gained a more solid footing into DT2 than he was before he opened his thread. He appears to have put in a "show" effort into "trying" to get removed from DT2, and is not serious about getting removed. I don't think marlboroza, what I believe amounts to pretending to want to get off DT2 is suspicious on its own, but he was in fact blacklisted from being on DT1, and was removed from DT1 immidiately. Based on the below two facts, I believe marlboroza was forced off DT1, and was forced into making a public attempt of getting removed from DT2: - Was actually blacklisted from DT1
- Appears to be pretending to want to get off DT2
The suspicious part is that his actions don’t match what he is saying. So what would you have him do instead? Constantly harass everyone with him on their trust list until they remove him? It is not normal behavior for someone to not honor this type of request if they believe it is legitimate. It appears those who still have marlboroza do not believe he is making a serious request, and marlboroza has not done anything to correct this, assuming he actually wants off everyone's trust lists (as discussed above, I do not believe this). A good first step to trying to get someone to remove you from their trust list would include sending a personal message asking to be removed from their trust list, and to follow up if they do not comply.
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I don't think marlboroza, what I believe amounts to pretending to want to get off DT2 is suspicious on its own, but he was in fact blacklisted from being on DT1, and was removed from DT1 immidiately.
This is a fact? Maybe I missed something, but could you provide your source? It is not normal behavior for someone to not honor this type of request if they believe it is legitimate. It appears those who still have marlboroza do not believe he is making a serious request, and marlboroza has not done anything to correct this, assuming he actually wants off everyone's trust lists (as discussed above, I do not believe this). A good first step to trying to get someone to remove you from their trust list would include sending a personal message asking to be removed from their trust list, and to follow up if they do not comply.
What's far more likely is he was just sick of the petty drama of DT politics and wants to take a breather from it.
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I don't think marlboroza, what I believe amounts to pretending to want to get off DT2 is suspicious on its own, but he was in fact blacklisted from being on DT1, and was removed from DT1 immidiately.
This is a fact? Maybe I missed something, but could you provide your source? He has been blacklisted from DT1, see below: I'm surprised you dropped out instantly, does that mean you can drop from DT1 the moment you don't have 10 users on your trust list anymore?
I don't know, probably not, probably on voting day. Blacklisted on request ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) You can see he was immidiately removed from DT1: @theymos
You used to be DT1. I'm surprised you dropped out instantly, does that mean you can drop from DT1 the moment you don't have 10 users on your trust list anymore? Is this the intended behavior of the system? I posted why I believe marlboroza is pretending to want to be removed in the post you quoted. What's far more likely is he was just sick of the petty drama of DT politics and wants to take a breather from it.
It is possible he does not want to participate in DT drama. He opened a thread asking to be removed from DT2 on Feb 11, and within 10 days, by my count, he had left an additional 50 ratings, and in the ~month since he opened his thread, he has left more than 120 ratings. The above happened when he was very well aware that he is still in DT2. Based on the above facts, I don't find it to be a reasonable conclusion that he was trying to get removed due to the DT drama.
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As of immidiately prior to him being blacklisted from DT1, he was voting for others in his trust list to be on DT1. And then he stopped voting and removed himself from DT1 at the same time. If he had removed himself from DT1 and continued to vote for others, you may have a point, but he didn't so you don't. Based on the below two facts, I believe marlboroza was forced off DT1 Unless anyone is constantly scraping the DT1 list (doubtful), there is no way to prove that without theymos. I also wonder why you would be so keen to invent this nonsense drama to derail the thread away from the issue of sockpuppets voting for DT1 members. ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Unless anyone is constantly scraping the DT1 list (doubtful) I like it ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Starting now, I'm scraping https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview every hour. If/when I get a VPS I'll publish everything, until then, send me a PM if you have a specific request.
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Its just funny to me that gunhell16 achieved exactly enough merit to rank up to Sr Member and hasn't earned 1 more since. I suppose this isn't exactly "bounty cheating" because there's no way to prove for sure that they are all the same person, yet it is highly suspicious that all the bounty tokens appear to be funneling to the same ETH address. In any case, good work, and in the future we'll be on the lookout for lude Filipino profile names, lol.
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