Reee: On the importance for nazis, commies and all extremists to stop fighting

[TECSHARE]

Once again, because some people can not tolerate open free discussion and must resort to closing threads to get the last word I have opened this one to continue the discussion. This is a continuation of this thread.

https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/fascism-is-communism-naziism-socialism-are-all-just-variations-of-collectivism-the-battle-isnt-right-vs-left-its-statism-vs-individualism/

Dumb statement.

I close the thread cause I can't just let you roam saying bullshit like this and trying to discuss with you is useless. You're not only stupid but also extremely agressive and your lack of logic is horrible.

You don't care about facts, you just spend your time insulting and spitting whatever nonsense you wish. Someone dumb enough to say that an inheritance tax of 20% is "abrogation of inheritance right" shouldn't be allowed to vote.

That's your reply to an entire article?

"Dumb statement."

The usual quality critical thought I expect from mOgliE. You know, really stupid people often think people smarter than them are dumb because they simply don't have the capacity to understand the ideas they present, but that's not you right? Clearly not, based on the quality of your retort.

Your preferred interpretation of my own points doesn't magically make them factual or logic based because it is the interpretation that best suits your bias. Literally no where in my statement or in my source was "abrogation of inheritance right" ever stated. You preach to me about not caring about facts while you create strawman after strawman and try to will them into fact-hood by brute force of repetition.

I am extremely aggressive and insulting because I know it wears you down, which unfortunately is my last resort when communicating with some one who is as much of a disingenuous, misinformed, and willfully ignorant true believer of a very dangerous ideology such as yourself. The fact that you feel the need to prevent me from replying is just more evidence of your own inability to present a factual argument stronger than a wet paper bag.

You want to create unity among conflicting ideologies? Start by examining your own. I have. In fact I was firmly within your realm of the political spectrum at one point until I did. You don't just get to demand everyone else compromise while you make no efforts of your own to do so. Now its your turn, or you could just remain convinced you have nothing to learn and continue as you have been, and I will keep grinding you down in any way I can, because people like you are dangerous.

At least if I hold my hand on your forehead while you try to swing at me wildly, there will be that much less energy available for you to spread your cancerous ideology, your failure also serving as a great example for anyone considering Communism as a viable belief system.

[mOgliE]

-a full hate post without one argument or one fact. Simply the good old "you're communist trash" speech.-

You don't care about facts, you just spend your time insulting and spitting whatever nonsense you wish. Someone dumb enough to say that an inheritance tax of 20% is "abrogation of inheritance right" shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Badman-Crypto]

Interestingly, Your example of a family losing it's inheritance due to being unable to pay the inheritance tax, and then a corporation taking over is a symptom of capitalism rather than communism.  Under Capitalism, it would be the family's responsibility to have the money to pay the tax and if they didn't it's just tough luck right?

[TECSHARE]

[waves magic stupid wand and makes all the facts and logical arguments go away]

See I can speak for you too. Just because you don't like what I present to you doesn't make it illogical or not factual.

Interestingly, Your example of a family losing it's inheritance due to being unable to pay the inheritance tax, and then a corporation taking over is a symptom of capitalism rather than communism.  Under Capitalism, it would be the family's responsibility to have the money to pay the tax and if they didn't it's just tough luck right?

In order for you argument to be valid, taxation would have to be exclusive to Capitalism. Unfortunately for your argument Socialism/Communism either tax you EVEN MORE heavily, or strip your right to private property at all. Kind of hard to take the family farm when it already belongs to dear leader right?

Also, I find it very interesting that you are using the very argument I am using to argue against Socialism/Communism within our capitalist system to blame Capitalism when my entire point was that it is a policy directly from The 10 Planks of Communism to remove inheritance rights. Under Capitalism that was not infected with Communism, there would be no inheritance tax because that income has already been taxed multiple times.

You see Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate, but Capitalism does not require Communism to operate, as a result Communism will always appear within Capitalist systems, not independently of them. Of course this makes convenient fodder for simple minded folk to create this weird cognitive defect of binary choice which makes it easier to superficially make it appear their projections make sense.

[Badman-Crypto]

In order for you argument to be valid, taxation would have to be exclusive to Capitalism. Unfortunately for your argument Socialism/Communism either tax you EVEN MORE heavily, or strip your right to private property at all. Kind of hard to take the family farm when it already belongs to dear leader right?

Fair enough, It's a valid point that inheritance tax is not exclusive to capitalism, although it was the corporate buyout that seemed more in line with capitalism.

Also, I find it very interesting that you are using the very argument I am using to argue against Socialism/Communism within our capitalist system to blame Capitalism when my entire point was that it is a policy directly from The 10 Planks of Communism to remove inheritance rights. Under Capitalism that was not infected with Communism, there would be no inheritance tax because that income has already been taxed multiple times.

Gotta disagree on this one. If inheritance tax was a symptom of capitalism infected with communism, how did England introduce "death duty" (a form of early inheritance tax) before 1700, long before communism was thought up?

You see Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate, but Capitalism does not require Communism to operate, as a result Communism will always appear within Capitalist systems, not independently of them. Of course this makes convenient fodder for simple minded folk to create this weird cognitive defect of binary choice which makes it easier to superficially make it appear their projections make sense.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, surely the USSR and the China Republic were communist countries independent of capitalism, at least at the beginning?

[TECSHARE]

In order for you argument to be valid, taxation would have to be exclusive to Capitalism. Unfortunately for your argument Socialism/Communism either tax you EVEN MORE heavily, or strip your right to private property at all. Kind of hard to take the family farm when it already belongs to dear leader right?

Fair enough, It's a valid point that inheritance tax is not exclusive to capitalism, although it was the corporate buyout that seemed more in line with capitalism.

Also, I find it very interesting that you are using the very argument I am using to argue against Socialism/Communism within our capitalist system to blame Capitalism when my entire point was that it is a policy directly from The 10 Planks of Communism to remove inheritance rights. Under Capitalism that was not infected with Communism, there would be no inheritance tax because that income has already been taxed multiple times.

Gotta disagree on this one. If inheritance tax was a symptom of capitalism infected with communism, how did England introduce "death duty" (a form of early inheritance tax) before 1700, long before communism was thought up?

You see Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate, but Capitalism does not require Communism to operate, as a result Communism will always appear within Capitalist systems, not independently of them. Of course this makes convenient fodder for simple minded folk to create this weird cognitive defect of binary choice which makes it easier to superficially make it appear their projections make sense.

I'm not sure what you mean by this, surely the USSR and the China Republic were communist countries independent of capitalism, at least at the beginning?

I never claimed inheritance tax was EXCLUSIVE to Communism, I just stated that removal of inheritance rights is one of the 10 planks of Communism to prove the point that a lot of Communist aligned policies are already in use today.

The USSR and China were by no means independent of Capitalism, at any point. It is a fact Marxism/Socialism/Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to exist, this was even in Marx's original writings if I remember correctly. Think about it for a minute. Even if those nations were 100% Communist, they still were operating within the default world order of Capitalism.

[Spendulus]

If you want a good laugh on Moglie, look up the "windows tax."

The French government would tax people according to how many windows their house had.

[mOgliE]

If you want a good laugh on Moglie, look up the "windows tax."

The French government would tax people according to how many windows their house had.

Yeah, you can clearly laugh on me about a 300 years old tax used in France (and in UK and Spain which means it was used in the 3 biggest powerhouses of Europe but let's forget that).

The link between this tax and me is obvious. And it is funny.

You see Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate, but Capitalism does not require Communism to operate, as a result Communism will always appear within Capitalist systems, not independently of them. Of course this makes convenient fodder for simple minded folk to create this weird cognitive defect of binary choice which makes it easier to superficially make it appear their projections make sense.

Ah yes, this proof is mesmarazing.

Communism requires capitalism to operate.

Of course. Thank you for this logical explanation. I guess that's what you call "all the facts and logical arguments".

Maybe, just maybe, that's just a suggestion coming from a mentally inefficient dumb ugly leftist, take 3 seconds to think about what you write? And how it has no factual bases, no proofs, no logical explanation and is a circular logic?

But if it hurts your brain don't think too much, just continue to say something as bold and baseless as "Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate" without any study, any source, any fact backing such incredible statement and call me an idiot for not being able to deal with all that logic and arguments xD

[TECSHARE]

If you want a good laugh on Moglie, look up the "windows tax."

The French government would tax people according to how many windows their house had.

Yeah, you can clearly laugh on me about a 300 years old tax used in France (and in UK and Spain which means it was used in the 3 biggest powerhouses of Europe but let's forget that).

The link between this tax and me is obvious. And it is funny.

You see Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate, but Capitalism does not require Communism to operate, as a result Communism will always appear within Capitalist systems, not independently of them. Of course this makes convenient fodder for simple minded folk to create this weird cognitive defect of binary choice which makes it easier to superficially make it appear their projections make sense.

Ah yes, this proof is mesmarazing.

Communism requires capitalism to operate.

Of course. Thank you for this logical explanation. I guess that's what you call "all the facts and logical arguments".

Maybe, just maybe, that's just a suggestion coming from a mentally inefficient dumb ugly leftist, take 3 seconds to think about what you write? And how it has no factual bases, no proofs, no logical explanation and is a circular logic?

But if it hurts your brain don't think too much, just continue to say something as bold and baseless as "Communism REQUIRES Capitalism to operate" without any study, any source, any fact backing such incredible statement and call me an idiot for not being able to deal with all that logic and arguments xD

It appears to be baseless to you, because I know more about your own preferred ideology than you do.

"What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society: which is thus in every respect still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges." -Karl Marx

Communism is based off of the Hegelian dialectic, which is summarized as THESIS + ANTITHESIS = SYNTHESIS, or in this specific example CAPITALISM + SOCIALISM/REVOLUTION = COMMUNISM

Maybe you should learn a little bit more about the ideas you advocate for fat man.

[mOgliE]

It appears to be baseless to you, because I know more about your own preferred ideology than you do.

"What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society: which is thus in every respect still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges." -Karl Marx

Communism is based off of the Hegelian dialectic, which is summarized as THESIS + ANTITHESIS = SYNTHESIS, or in this specific example CAPITALISM + SOCIALISM/REVOLUTION = COMMUNISM

Maybe you should learn a little bit more about the ideas you advocate for fat man.

I don't know what to say. If you consider that this = Communism requires capitalism, there is nothing more to say.

Thanks for reminding everyone why censorship is a necessity in a free country

[TECSHARE]

It appears to be baseless to you, because I know more about your own preferred ideology than you do.

"What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society: which is thus in every respect still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges." -Karl Marx

Communism is based off of the Hegelian dialectic, which is summarized as THESIS + ANTITHESIS = SYNTHESIS, or in this specific example CAPITALISM + SOCIALISM/REVOLUTION = COMMUNISM

Maybe you should learn a little bit more about the ideas you advocate for fat man.

I don't know what to say. If you consider that this = Communism requires capitalism, there is nothing more to say.

Thanks for reminding everyone why censorship is a necessity in a free country

Way to skip over the Hegelian Dialectic part, and the fact that Marx himself defined Communism/Socialism as the antithesis which requires the thesis of Capitalism to be created. On second thought the formula is more accurately

CAPITALISM + COMMUNISM = GLOBALISM
THESIS + ANTITHESIS = SYNTHESIS
PROBLEM + REACTION = SOLUTION

In reality economic Communism is a failed model, and the only reason it can work is because it is parasitic upon the resources created under Capitalism.  As resources get more and more scarce, those in power take more and more of the resources for themselves leaving even less incentive for the average worker to contribute. This continues until the system runs out of other people's money to spend, then it goes full totalitarian dictatorship with work camps and everything because there is no incentive for people to contribute to a black hole of a broken collective economic model as they do not personally benefit from it.

[mOgliE]

Marx himself defined Communism/Socialism as the antithesis which requires the thesis of Capitalism to be created.

"What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society: which is thus in every respect still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges." -Karl Marx

I hope that by just putting your own contradictions next to eachother without me adding anything you might see that the problem is you

[TECSHARE]

Marx himself defined Communism/Socialism as the antithesis which requires the thesis of Capitalism to be created.

"What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society: which is thus in every respect still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges." -Karl Marx

I hope that by just putting your own contradictions next to eachother without me adding anything you might see that the problem is you

I know you sound really clever in your own mind, but that's not what everyone else sees. If you need more documentation on Marx's use of the Hegelian Dialectic as the basis for his theories I am happy to provide it. Furthermore one of those is my statement, and one is a quote from Karl Marx, so even IF the two quotes were exclusive (they are not) it still would not be "my own contradiction" because one is a statement made by another person. Get a treadmill fat man, your mind is flabby and out of shape.

[mOgliE]

Marx himself defined Communism/Socialism as the antithesis which requires the thesis of Capitalism to be created.

"What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society: which is thus in every respect still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges." -Karl Marx

Furthermore one of those is my statement, and one is a quote from Karl Marx, so even IF the two quotes were exclusive (they are not) it still would not be "my own contradiction" because one is a statement made by another person.

[TECSHARE]

Marx himself defined Communism/Socialism as the antithesis which requires the thesis of Capitalism to be created.

"What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society: which is thus in every respect still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges." -Karl Marx

Furthermore one of those is my statement, and one is a quote from Karl Marx, so even IF the two quotes were exclusive (they are not) it still would not be "my own contradiction" because one is a statement made by another person.

So do you ever have any thoughts of your own or do you need to wait for me to have one so you can just repeat it back to me? I am very sorry your reading comprehension is so poor, and your knowledge of your own ideology is so lacking that you are unable to see those quotes are not contradictory, but maybe if you imagine it hard enough...

[mOgliE]

So do you ever have any thoughts of your own or do you need to wait for me to have one so you can just repeat it back to me?

I'm mentally ill remember?

Anyway I just put together your contradictions. What's the point of adding anything else?

[TECSHARE]

I'm mentally ill...

Thanks for the wonderful quote. At least we can agree on something. I will cherish this.

[KingScorpio]

what are those people that insult and ban others as "trolls" or "toxic" called, attention seeking parasitic capitalists?

they should stop banning others, or insult them as toxic and trolls, only then they would be equal to nazi and communist stop fighting

[TECSHARE]

Best Anti-Communist argument on 4chan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FvKlZeFiTc