A call to theymos and the rest.

[Steamtyme]

I'm not going to pretend I'm blind to people's faults and foibles, but it's hard to know what you're talking about without knowing who you're referring to.  And I have no clue what you mean with point #2 above, using people as bait to earn merit.  You'll have to explain that one.  Same thing with #3.

I think #2 relates to the uptick in activity in reputation threads. The ones where someone either posts a very flimsy connection of alts or suspected merit abuse. I know reading some of the threads or comments, I get the feel that it's done in the hopes of gaining merit. Probably doesn't help when people create threads offering merit to connect accounts, "I'll reward you for telling me what I want to know"

#3 could be inline with the last bit or possibly the "tag alongs" I've noticed some members who pretty much only mirror feedback. Maybe they'll change or update but I think quite a few people took to this strategy to work towards DT. Might just be my impression as I've been reviewing a lot of feedback recently.


I don't really agree with the pleas to administrators. It does show me you don't really have a grasp on how the forum operates in regards to set rules from the top down. Easy mistake most of us take a while to figure out this place is different in that regard. You would be better making your appeal to the general forum members and engaging in the debate with references to get your point across.

I can say this I wish you would express your ideas from your main account. If you haven't done anything that clearly deserves a negative rating it would only help clean out members who shouldn't be "Trusted for fedback" in DT, if anyone tagged you for an unpopular opinion.

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[The-One-Above-All]

I don't think it is sensible for the same DT members to attempt to derail, defame, and discredit the post and poster on the basis of pure speculation as to whom the individual may be.

This kind of behavior from the same DT members could be construed to be the bullying and mafia type tactics the thread is trying to bring attention to.  Even if you believe you are acting in the best interests of the board, you should still confine yourselves to operating with a certain decorum and remain respectful during discussions whether they align with your own views or not.

There is certainly some instances where people are being unfairly treated on this forum.  
It comes as no surprise to me that some members will feel compelled to use alternative accounts to protect their main accounts from reprisals.

The admin should provide some strict enforceable guidance for red trust . I feel that is what the initial poster is asking for.

Another sock puppet with 2 posts.

I'm sorry, I do not seem to be able to find any kind of value within your post. You seem to be demonstrating clearly the type of behavior referenced in the initial post.
This type of allegation without accompanying evidence seems to be way too prevalent on this forum. There should be clear rules with regard making false allegations or unsubstantiated accusations. 

Are you claiming that I have an alternative account here and that you can prove this?  How is this on topic or any kind of response to my previous post? These low value and quite ugly accusations should be reported and deleted.

Back on topic. I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

[bones261]

Another sock puppet with 2 posts.

I'm sorry, I do not seem to be able to find any kind of value within your post. You seem to be demonstrating clearly the type of behavior referenced in the initial post.
This type of allegation without accompanying evidence seems to be way too prevalent on this forum. There should be clear rules with regard making false allegations or unsubstantiated accusations. 

Are you claiming that I have an alternative account here and that you can prove this?  How is this on topic or any kind of response to my previous post? These low value and quite ugly accusations should be reported and deleted.

Back on topic. I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

     Posts on this forum are not supposed to be deleted based on whether they are true or not. Otherwise, there would be even a bigger outcry that the moderators are censoring posts. (We already get complaints, but if moderators could delete merely on whether something is true or not, the complaints would go through the roof.) It is not the moderator's responsibility to determine if a allegation is true or not. However, you could report a post as being insubstantial or off topic and it may be deleted.

[DireWolfM14]

I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

Admin doesn't need to intervene, the DT community has been doing a good job policing themselves.  Stick around long enough and you'll see members being dropped from DT2 when suspected of distributing tags for frivolous or vindictive reasons.  It's happened at least a couple of times in recent months.

[Steamtyme]

Back on topic. I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

No I disagree. The community needs to decide on these matters. If you feel DT has left you frivolous or unsubstantiated feedback, make your case. It's as simple as that, and the only way to shape the system to work for everyone. If people agree with what you say, it can be discussed with whoever left the feedback, and if people lose confidence in how they proceed, they just might get removed or excluded from enough lists to be removed from DT.

So without references or facts all that happens are these discussions that go around in circles.

I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

Admin doesn't need to intervene, the DT community has been doing a good job policing themselves.  Stick around long enough and you'll see members being dropped from DT2 when suspected of distributing tags for frivolous or vindictive reasons.  It's happened at least a couple of times in recent months.

Happened to me, got off shift found I had been tagged by a new DT. Went to bed, woke up and they had been removed based on their feedback standards being petty. So I firmly believe the system can be used and made to work for everyone, but we need people to actually participate.

[LFC_Bitcoin]

I don't think it is sensible for the same DT members to attempt to derail, defame, and discredit the post and poster on the basis of pure speculation as to whom the individual may be.

This kind of behavior from the same DT members could be construed to be the bullying and mafia type tactics the thread is trying to bring attention to.  Even if you believe you are acting in the best interests of the board, you should still confine yourselves to operating with a certain decorum and remain respectful during discussions whether they align with your own views or not.

There is certainly some instances where people are being unfairly treated on this forum.  
It comes as no surprise to me that some members will feel compelled to use alternative accounts to protect their main accounts from reprisals.

The admin should provide some strict enforceable guidance for red trust . I feel that is what the initial poster is asking for.

Another sock puppet with 2 posts.

I'm sorry, I do not seem to be able to find any kind of value within your post. You seem to be demonstrating clearly the type of behavior referenced in the initial post.
This type of allegation without accompanying evidence seems to be way too prevalent on this forum. There should be clear rules with regard making false allegations or unsubstantiated accusations.  

Are you claiming that I have an alternative account here and that you can prove this?  How is this on topic or any kind of response to my previous post? These low value and quite ugly accusations should be reported and deleted.

Back on topic. I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

The OP hasn’t provided any substance to his accusations. He’s provided zero evidence, quotes, documents to back up his quite firm statements.

My initial comment to yourself holds some value. You’d only made two posts at the time & one of them was in here. I doubt that you’re a genuine new poster & this is why people will never take threads like this seriously.

If somebody feels they’ve been treated wrongly & or unjustly by current DT Members or Mods then they’d just post from their main account & explain what the issue(s) is.

[Lafu]

If somebody feels they’ve been treated wrongly & or unjustly by current DT Members or Mods then they’d just post from their main account & explain what the issue(s) is.

They also can write a PM to the DT Members if they dont want to make thread or post about !
We are all Humans !

But hide behind an Alt Account dosnt help !

[Obao6]

I partly agree with op.
This place definitely needs some cleaning up and I'm all for getting rid of spammers, scammers etc...
But I also think some people here are taking it too far. It seems some are not here to talk about Bitcoin but just to act as policemen.
Who in the hell spends his all day tracking addresses in order to find multi accounts ? That's just crazy. I understand why op says they're doing this to receive merits and get noticed by high rank members.
These guys should relax a bit and enjoy this place, that is of course if they really like Bitcoin.

[Quickseller]

Another sock puppet with 2 posts.

I'm sorry, I do not seem to be able to find any kind of value within your post. You seem to be demonstrating clearly the type of behavior referenced in the initial post.
This type of allegation without accompanying evidence seems to be way too prevalent on this forum. There should be clear rules with regard making false allegations or unsubstantiated accusations.  

Are you claiming that I have an alternative account here and that you can prove this?  How is this on topic or any kind of response to my previous post? These low value and quite ugly accusations should be reported and deleted.

Back on topic. I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

     Posts on this forum are not supposed to be deleted based on whether they are true or not. Otherwise, there would be even a bigger outcry that the moderators are censoring posts. (We already get complaints, but if moderators could delete merely on whether something is true or not, the complaints would go through the roof.) It is not the moderator's responsibility to determine if a allegation is true or not. However, you could report a post as being insubstantial or off topic and it may be deleted.

He is saying the post he quoted is off topic, as it has nothing to do with what is written in the OP.

I do find the multiple newbie accounts posting here to be annoying. I suspect there is one person behind the multiple newbie accounts trying to create an illusion that a single person is complaining about what the OP is saying, and to create an illusion that the problem described in the OP is exaggerated. Sort of a false flag type thing. Or an attempt to prevent anyone from using an anon newbie account from being taken seriously so anyone who wants to criticize must do so openly, risking their reputation.

[JollyGood]

Where did the OP state what the exact issue or problem was?

Did he ever state a specific issue and provide evidence? From what I can see it was a generic complaint because he failed to give links pointing to a specific incident.

Not good etiquettes for an OP to start the thread using a newbie alt-account to hide his real user name then not even explain fully what in his opinion the problem is.

Having said that several newbie accounts seem to have taken a keen interest in this thread and they all share the same concern as the OP but have not provided links so the evidence can be seen.

[Vod]

i don't need ten years to know what is happening in the forum.

So you are lying on purpose then?

I don't know why some guys have turned to police overnight in the forum

I've been "policing" for over eight years.   You need to be here for a while to know what is happening...

[LFC_Bitcoin]

LOL

I love how Vod always comes in & ends threads with a virtual hammer

/thread

[The-One-Above-All]

Back on topic. I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

No I disagree. The community needs to decide on these matters. If you feel DT has left you frivolous or unsubstantiated feedback, make your case. It's as simple as that, and the only way to shape the system to work for everyone. If people agree with what you say, it can be discussed with whoever left the feedback, and if people lose confidence in how they proceed, they just might get removed or excluded from enough lists to be removed from DT.

So without references or facts all that happens are these discussions that go around in circles.

I strongly agree with the initial poster, in that the admin or even the board owner should intervene if there are instances where red trust is given out in a frivolous or vindictive manner.

Admin doesn't need to intervene, the DT community has been doing a good job policing themselves.  Stick around long enough and you'll see members being dropped from DT2 when suspected of distributing tags for frivolous or vindictive reasons.  It's happened at least a couple of times in recent months.

Happened to me, got off shift found I had been tagged by a new DT. Went to bed, woke up and they had been removed based on their feedback standards being petty. So I firmly believe the system can be used and made to work for everyone, but we need people to actually participate.

That would be nice. In an ideal world then yes. With a large proportion of the community having their say then yes again. In our current situation it is quite clear that if a prominent DT1 decides to give red trust for something not directly related to scamming, then admin needs to be called to make a judgement and set a precedent. There are not sufficient guidelines to warrant DT1's causing rifts with other DT1's at this early stage.

This is in relation to frivolous and retributive vindictive red trust that is not related to scamming.

A sample size of 1 incident (in your case) and a handful of persons apparently representing " the community" is not sufficient to dispense with the need of admin guidance and intervention in these initial stages. I see no reason for admin to avoid giving clear guidance on matters where DT's are giving red trust for non scamming incidents if there is any doubt whatsoever.

It appears that increasing the number of DT1 is the only way forward if admin level intervention is to be avoided altogether. You seem to be advocating a very centralized system that also manages to avoid any accountability. I would remind you though that the number of real individuals is likely less than the number of accounts on DT1.

The accusation that people are using alternative accounts, to voice their honest opinions for fear of reprisal, is actually recognition that there is an issue here.

[r1s2g3]

If you feel DT has left you frivolous or unsubstantiated feedback, make your case. It's as simple as that, and the only way to shape the system to work for everyone. If people agree with what you say, it can be discussed with whoever left the feedback, and if people lose confidence in how they proceed, they just might get removed or excluded from enough lists to be removed from DT.

Hardly I see somebody making a case and winning. More the they try to argument/defend more the forum dedicate itself to find the facts and bring out the  more shady facts/past.

Using  newbies account simply means that posting from real account may posses lot more damage to OP , if the real account of OP is dig out.


Do you think anybody complain without any issues?

[TECSHARE]

LOL

I love how Vod always comes in & ends threads with a virtual hammer

/thread

No, it just appears that way from the angle of perspective you get with your nose implanted firmly upon his rectum.

[Geraico]

In the quest to clean up the forum,i feel there is need to be considerate.I appreciate the fact that we need to maintain some check and balance in the forum,but it is bad when some innocent become a victim all in the name of trying to maintain some check and balance in the forum.I don't know why some guys have turned to police overnight in the forum,hunting for people,claiming that they are running multiple account,at times ,most of their proof are not strong enough as far as am concern because we all know that,this is internet where anything is possible.Though some might feel,the so called police are doing all these to clean up the forum,but you know what i see,
1.I see hatred been demonstrated to some section of the forum.
2.I see people that are desperate to earn some merit by using other people as a bait.
3.I see people that are seeking to be known by the administrator by pretending to be cleaning the forum.
4.I see opportunist

I feel the administrator can actually run the check and balance by themselves instead of leaving the destiny of people on this forum at the mercy of these desperate set of people.I want you all to know that,the forum need the people just like the people need the forum.If care is not taken,more desperate guys will take advantage of this and more innocent will become a victim,and this can later result to,if i can't beat them,then,i will join them.Am calling on theymos and the rest to do some review.
  I know we have got a good administrator,in the person of theymos.

Show your real face )

[The Cryptovator]

Don't know why are we feeding this user(sockpuppet) with merit ?

Sometimes type of post indicate that OP is sockpuppet of someone. Whoever unable to show their main account they are using sockpuppet. It's really not a good practice and we shouldn't feed them. Let them do their job.

[nutildah]

Don't know why are we feeding this user(sockpuppet) with merit ?

That's a good question even though its not really a question.

Its obviously Thule due to the lack,of,spaces between punctuation .Or the odd insertion of a space where there doesn't need to be one .

Suchmoon bought in 2018 an account and noone (buyer,seller,sold account) got a red tagg even he tried to sell that account without informing anyone about it.

reporting plagiarism back from 2014 and showing the plagiarism lines which were posted 5 years ago shows clearly the intention of suchmoon as i doubt any decent DT members
like LoyceV,Bones,Ognasty,Asche etc would ever report this kind of staff which was back in 2014.

Just have a look at their signature and you know why.These kind of posts are considered high quality thanks to some dumb DT members.Its basicly merit whoring and increase of post count.Nothing more

GAW miners ,suchmoon ?  Nice coincident isn't it?

[The-One-Above-All]

Don't know why are we feeding this user(sockpuppet) with merit ?

That's a good question even though its not really a question.

Its obviously Thule due to the lack,of,spaces between punctuation .Or the odd insertion of a space where there doesn't need to be one .

Suchmoon bought in 2018 an account and noone (buyer,seller,sold account) got a red tagg even he tried to sell that account without informing anyone about it.

reporting plagiarism back from 2014 and showing the plagiarism lines which were posted 5 years ago shows clearly the intention of suchmoon as i doubt any decent DT members
like LoyceV,Bones,Ognasty,Asche etc would ever report this kind of staff which was back in 2014.

Just have a look at their signature and you know why.These kind of posts are considered high quality thanks to some dumb DT members.Its basicly merit whoring and increase of post count.Nothing more

GAW miners ,suchmoon ?  Nice coincident isn't it?

That is speculation, just like we are speculating you are not the original nutildah, because that account was listed for sale for 0.3BTC, and the new owner is recently begging for 0.02BTC loans. That kind of poverty spec legend, does not sound like someone from 2014 and a previous dark coin scam shill.  

Besides, it does not matter who delivers observable events or factual information. The information is still valid.

Your account notildah, not having red trust, is just another demonstration that the DT trust scum, are gaming the systems and pushing double standards on the other members of this board.

Let's hope admin takes some action, before this observably untrustworthy bunch of DT members, pulls a huge scam or extortion, and the admin get dragged down for knowingly allowing them into positions of trust when it could have been prevented.

[El duderino_]

Yeb looks like an Alt Account !

Registered few days ago and know the forum looks like longer and straight posting on Meta !

Whatever it is, if someone has to say something, then he must do it from his own "main" account, otherwise it will always looks weak or not honest or false or .....
I know whatever I feel I have to say, it will always come from my single and only account....