Questions about local Crypto shops

[crwth]

Hello guys,

Ang ibigsabihin ko ng cryptoshops, meaning mga shops na nag bebenta ng mga cryptocurrency related shops. Not only that they accept cryptocurrency payments but also sell merchandise like Trezor or Ledger Nano S.  

Ang tanong ko lang din is meron na ba sa inyo naka bili like in shops in Lazada or Shoppee regarding sa mga hardware wallets? Nakakatamad kasi if ever mag order sa mismong site tapos baka mangyari din sakin yung kailangan ng OMB Certificate ba yun and sympre, additional gastos yun or whatever.

Let me know your insights guys.

[Potato Chips]

Sakin kasi, mas okay na yung may additional basta mas ma-ensure ko yung authenticity nung product. Kapag kasi hindi tayo bumili sa official site, mas malaki yung chance natin na maka-encounter ng counterfeit, yung may mga pre-generated seed na so pag nagkataon, mas malaki mawawala sayo.

Tinignan ko yung list ng mga resellers sa site ng ledger at trezor at walang kahit isa sa PH. Not sure about sa ledger pero dati meron yung trezor dito. Pero actually 50-50 ako sa mga authorized resellers. Gawa nang pwedeng pwede pa rin naman sila magbenta ng counterfeits. Tsaka hindi ba mas magandang strategy yon dahil mas madaling maibibigay ng tao sayo yung tiwala nila kase nga kasama ka sa "authorized resellers".

[mirakal]

I've seen some post in the past that in order to save the possible expenses of shipping fee, they order it by batch.
I am also planning to buy, and like OP I made a research but saw some product in lazada but I don't trust them.

It's advisable to buy directly from the supplier or authorized reseller but we can do this order by batch.


If there are interested members in our community, a trusted member can be the one who will purchased and those who are interested will just give their money to that trusted person.

IIRC, sir dabs purchase a hard wallet before by batch, you can dig in his post to have an idea, I just don't have the time now. 

[crwth]

Sakin kasi, mas okay na yung may additional basta mas ma-ensure ko yung authenticity nung product. Kapag kasi hindi tayo bumili sa official site, mas malaki yung chance natin na maka-encounter ng counterfeit, yung may mga pre-generated seed na so pag nagkataon, mas malaki mawawala sayo.

I agree. Feeling ko yung mga sellers din mismo ay binibili lang tapos binebenta lang ulit without the real permission and real authorization. Like how flipping an item works. I am planning on buying and sa tingin ko mas safe na talaga sa official store. Thanks for your insight.

I've seen some post in the past that in order to save the possible expenses of shipping fee, they order it by batch.
I am also planning to buy, and like OP I made a research but saw some product in lazada but I don't trust them.

Upon checking sa website mismo ng ledger, freeshipping pala sila to the Philippines. I'm not sure kung pati yung Trezor ay ganun din. Mas nababasa ko na prefer nila ledger nano s eh.

It's advisable to buy directly from the supplier or authorized reseller but we can do this order by batch.

IIRC, sir dabs purchase a hard wallet before by batch, you can dig in his post to have an idea, I just don't have the time now.

If siguro may gusto mag pasabay, message lang ako. I'm planning on buying it tonight. 

[mk4]

Sakin kasi, mas okay na yung may additional basta mas ma-ensure ko yung authenticity nung product. Kapag kasi hindi tayo bumili sa official site, mas malaki yung chance natin na maka-encounter ng counterfeit, yung may mga pre-generated seed na so pag nagkataon, mas malaki mawawala sayo.

Exactly my thoughts. Makakatipid ka ng, $20-$40 siguro para sa shipping fees, in exchange for what? Potentially counterfeit products? Na ma-aalanganin ung hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of crypto mo? Nope. Though mababa lang ung chance na makakatanggap pa ng effectively-tampered device, it's still not worth risking in my opinion.

[bitcoin31]

Hindi ko pa natratry yun boss na bumili sa Lazada o kaya tumingin try mo magahanp baka sakaling makakita ka. Kung saan ka mas makakatipid doon ka at sa madalian lang makuha yun ang mas piliin mo para hindi ka hassle sa paghihintay ng order mo.

[crwth]

Sakin kasi, mas okay na yung may additional basta mas ma-ensure ko yung authenticity nung product. Kapag kasi hindi tayo bumili sa official site, mas malaki yung chance natin na maka-encounter ng counterfeit, yung may mga pre-generated seed na so pag nagkataon, mas malaki mawawala sayo.

Exactly my thoughts. Makakatipid ka ng, $20-$40 siguro para sa shipping fees, in exchange for what? Potentially counterfeit products? Na ma-aalanganin ung hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of crypto mo? Nope. Though mababa lang ung chance na makakatanggap pa ng effectively-tampered device, it's still not worth risking in my opinion.

Thanks for the opinion guys. I'm just curious what if you are to choose between all of the hardware wallets? Trezor, Ledger, KeepKey, etc. Baka may suggestion kayo. I'll just wait kung meron makapag sabi ng kung ano ginagamit nila nad if effective and useful pag may hardware wallet.

Hindi ko pa natratry yun boss na bumili sa Lazada o kaya tumingin try mo magahanp baka sakaling makakita ka. Kung saan ka mas makakatipid doon ka at sa madalian lang makuha yun ang mas piliin mo para hindi ka hassle sa paghihintay ng order mo.

As with the Lazada and Shopee Application and the site itself, na try ko na pero yung mga products that sell crypto, nah. Not yet. I'm thinking of just ordering it in the legitimate site instead of the unauthorized resellers.

[mk4]

Sakin kasi, mas okay na yung may additional basta mas ma-ensure ko yung authenticity nung product. Kapag kasi hindi tayo bumili sa official site, mas malaki yung chance natin na maka-encounter ng counterfeit, yung may mga pre-generated seed na so pag nagkataon, mas malaki mawawala sayo.

Exactly my thoughts. Makakatipid ka ng, $20-$40 siguro para sa shipping fees, in exchange for what? Potentially counterfeit products? Na ma-aalanganin ung hundreds and thousands of dollars worth of crypto mo? Nope. Though mababa lang ung chance na makakatanggap pa ng effectively-tampered device, it's still not worth risking in my opinion.

Thanks for the opinion guys. I'm just curious what if you are to choose between all of the hardware wallets? Trezor, Ledger, KeepKey, etc. Baka may suggestion kayo. I'll just wait kung meron makapag sabi ng kung ano ginagamit nila nad if effective and useful pag may hardware wallet.

Personally I use the Ledger Nano S. Little to no problems since I bought it approx. 2 years ago. Just go with either Ledger[1] or Trezor[2] dahil sila ung talagang reputable na hardware wallet companies. Heard good things about both naman, so in the end, depende nalang sa personal preference. Desisyon ko lang dati na bilhin ung Ledger kasi mukhang flashdrive, whereas na-weirdohan ako sa itsura ng Trezor dati.

[1] https://ledger.com/
[2] https://trezor.io/

[crwth]

Personally I use the Ledger Nano S. Little to no problems since I bought it approx. 2 years ago. Just go with either Ledger[1] or Trezor[2] dahil sila ung talagang reputable na hardware wallet companies. Heard good things about both naman, so in the end, depende nalang sa personal preference. Desisyon ko lang dati na bilhin ung Ledger kasi mukhang flashdrive, whereas na-weirdohan ako sa itsura ng Trezor dati.

Thanks for your insight. That's a good review too and kung 2 years and working na working pa sayo, I actually placed an order a while ago to order ledger. Parang mas sleek nga ang design niya and looks just like a normal flashdrive. Yung trezor naman parang remote control na siya or pang susi ng kotse. Parang ganun naiisip ko eh. Lol.

Anyways, I did check videos and I think Ledger is great. Ang titingnan ko na lang is yung pag hiningian ako ng OMB certificate or something. Sana naman hindi na at diretsyo na madeliver sa akin.

[Tamayan]

Sa Site ka nalang ng Ledger bumili para mka sigorado ka 100%, Gamit ka Bitcoin to buy para wala na ibang requirements, yan gamit ko ngayon.

[mk4]

Anyways, I did check videos and I think Ledger is great. Ang titingnan ko na lang is yung pag hiningian ako ng OMB certificate or something. Sana naman hindi na at diretsyo na madeliver sa akin.

Ayun lang. Mejo chambahan kasi yang sa customs na yan. Minsan makatarungan ung sinisingil nila. But anyway, regardless sa shipping fee and customs fees, at least mas sure kang untampered ung device mo. Fingers crossed nalang talaga sa customs fees.

[crwth]

Sa Site ka nalang ng Ledger bumili para mka sigorado ka 100%, Gamit ka Bitcoin to buy para wala na ibang requirements, yan gamit ko ngayon.

Yun naman na ginawa ko. Sana mabilis lang, sabi 3 days madedeliver na daw. Hopefully dumating agad as soon as possible.

Ayun lang. Mejo chambahan kasi yang sa customs na yan. Minsan makatarungan ung sinisingil nila. But anyway, regardless sa shipping fee and customs fees, at least mas sure kang untampered ung device mo. Fingers crossed nalang talaga sa customs fees.

Sana maging matino yung mga taga customs (maging matino na wala na silang gawin dun sa package ko) Shipping fee is free on the site so I guess kung meron man sa customs fee, yun na lang ang babayaran ko.

[Hotrod_88]

Hello guys,

Ang ibigsabihin ko ng cryptoshops, meaning mga shops na nag bebenta ng mga cryptocurrency related shops. Not only that they accept cryptocurrency payments but also sell merchandise like Trezor or Ledger Nano S. 

Ang tanong ko lang din is meron na ba sa inyo naka bili like in shops in Lazada or Shoppee regarding sa mga hardware wallets? Nakakatamad kasi if ever mag order sa mismong site tapos baka mangyari din sakin yung kailangan ng OMB Certificate ba yun and sympre, additional gastos yun or whatever.

Let me know your insights guys.

Nabili ko yung hardware wallet ko sa kaibigan ko at sa tingin ko patuloy pa din syang nag bebenta non.

[Theb]

@crwth and sa mga iba ko na ding kababayan na interesado na bumili ng hardware wallet sa Lazada or Shopee wala naman akong masasabing masama sakanila kahit nga sa mga Crypto-related Facebook groups maganda din feedback sa mga buyer ang nakakailang lang di sila recognized as authorized seller ng product which means di natin alam kung saan nila nakukuha binibenta nila which is really dangerous lalo kung iisipin natin na talamak na yung "evil maid attack" sa mga hardware wallets na compromised.

Advice ko lang kung may mga kamag-anak kayo sa ibang bansa lalo na sa USA at alam niyong uuwi sila sa bansa mag-pabili nalang kayo sakanila at mag-research na din kayo kung saang stores yung malapit sakanila para sure na sa authorized sellers sila bibili. Mas makakatipid din kayo compared sa prices na binibigay sa Lazada at Shopee.

[crwth]

@crwth and sa mga iba ko na ding kababayan na interesado na bumili ng hardware wallet sa Lazada or Shopee wala naman akong masasabing masama sakanila kahit nga sa mga Crypto-related Facebook groups maganda din feedback sa mga buyer ang nakakailang lang di sila recognized as authorized seller ng product which means di natin alam kung saan nila nakukuha binibenta nila which is really dangerous lalo kung iisipin natin na talamak na yung "evil maid attack" sa mga hardware wallets na compromised.

Advice ko lang kung may mga kamag-anak kayo sa ibang bansa lalo na sa USA at alam niyong uuwi sila sa bansa mag-pabili nalang kayo sakanila at mag-research na din kayo kung saang stores yung malapit sakanila para sure na sa authorized sellers sila bibili. Mas makakatipid din kayo compared sa prices na binibigay sa Lazada at Shopee.

When you said "evil maid attack" na curious ako kung ano ibigsabihin nun kasi first time ko lang din ata yan mabasa. Grabe pala yan pag talagang magaling yung nag hahandle tapos na tamper na yung device, mas mahirap at mas pwedeng kuhaan ng info, so might as well go to the trusted and go from there. And nakapag order na din ako, going to wait, sana hindi na lumagpas ng thursday kasi diba holiday na lahat.

Sayang, ngayon ko lang naisip na pag galing ibang bansa, pwede sana mag pasabay. Feeling ko nga mas maganda yun kasi phyysically nasakanya na and no customs na dadaanan.


Sa mga curious kung ano yung Evil-Maid Attack andito yung description sa napaka friendly website

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_maid_attack

[crwth]

Update guys.

Just got my Ledger Nano S. 3 Days lang. Nag order ako Sunday ng Umaga, which is not bad kasi galing din ibang bansa 'to. Buti na lang hindi sakin nangyari yung nireport ng iba yung customs OMB Certificate something. Buti na lang. Deliver straight naman sa akin so okay na okay na yun.

[r1a2y3m4]

Probably sa may mismong site ka na lang bumili ng Ledger mo. Mas secure dun and mas sure ka na sa kanila talaga galling yung ledger. What if sa Lazada, may nakaencrypt na program dun na nakukuha yung private key mo? Edi, patay na, makukuha na yung funds mo. Sayang naman, sa Lazada kase saying lang pera mo pag yung seller is not trusted e. Mas maganda na yung trusted.

Update: Sorry di ko napansin yung update ni crwth. Siguro, para na lang to sa mga nagbabalak bumili ng Ledger sa Lazada.