Merit abuse

[Hudson-Odoi]

Is this post worth 10 merits?

Hello Everyone

I have been mining for almost 6 months but I didn’t build it nor did it program it. I had a friend who helped me out but since then I have been interested in building my own and programming it myself. I have learnt to build it but just need to learn the programmingt, maintaining and upgrading part of the miner.

I have been looking but things seem very confusing with most people giving their opinions rather than actual knowledge. Can anyone please help me by providing me certain links as a newbie in this and other areas once I am able to increase my knowledge I can move up and keep learning.

Thank you

What I see is just someone asking a question, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but that doesn't mean it's worth 10 merits.
What I find funny is that there are people here constantly looking for merit abusers but whenever someone highly trusted on the forum does something like give 10 merits for a post that doesn't deserve 1 then nobody asks any questions. They don't find it curious that when the user that sent the merits was confronted about this, they abandoned the thread and avoided the question.

If it was a normal member of the forum that gave 10 merits to that post, they would be labeled with negative feedback for merit abuse.

[r1s2g3]

And how  you suppose us to read/verify that post when you did not sent any link to that post?
Can you prove that merits are given to alts/friend?

[Hudson-Odoi]

And how o you suppose us to read that post when you did not sent any link to that post.

The content of the post is quoted above. The objective is for you guys to judge if the post is worth 10 merit points without knowing who sent or received the merit points. Those factors aren't important. What is important is post itself

[Vod]

The content of the post is quoted above. The objective is for you guys to judge if the post is worth 10 merit points without knowing who sent or received the merit points. Those factors aren't important. What is important is post itself

I think the sender is important, esp if you ask if it's worth 10 points.  Different people have different interests.

The context of the post (posts made before the one in question) also contributes to the merit worthiness of a post.

[suchmoon]

If it was a normal member of the forum that gave 10 merits to that post, they would be labeled with negative feedback for merit abuse.

"Normal member" - no. Alts sending merits to each other - probably.

Context matters:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088239

May or may not be worth 10 merits, it's up to the sending person. There is no abuse though.

[BitMaxz]

~snip~
If it was a normal member of the forum that gave 10 merits to that post, they would be labeled with negative feedback for merit abuse.

Honestly, the post you are referring to is not worth it to send 10 merits but I think if you receive merit with this post you will not receive merit abuse feedback but if someone found that you receive 10 merits from your alt account I'm sure you will receive negative feedback including your alts.

We can't just report this kind of post without any evidence that he abused the merit system you must investigate it first before you can take an action and report it to the DTs to left a negative trust.

[Hudson-Odoi]

The content of the post is quoted above. The objective is for you guys to judge if the post is worth 10 merit points without knowing who sent or received the merit points. Those factors aren't important. What is important is post itself

I think the sender is important, esp if you ask if it's worth 10 points.  Different people have different interests.

The context of the post (posts made before the one in question) also contributes to the merit worthiness of a post.

There was no post made before that one, It was the opening post of a thread so there is virtually no context to examine except the post itself.
The sender is not important, what I find is that people have feel differently when they know the sender than when they don't.

What interest could he have? The only way we can argue about his interests leading to his decision to send 10 merit points is if he is interested in generic questions that add zero value to the forum.

If it was a normal member of the forum that gave 10 merits to that post, they would be labeled with negative feedback for merit abuse.

~snip~

May or may not be worth 10 merits, it's up to the sending person. There is no abuse though.

This is clear abuse, you would be saying the opposite if it was someone you weren't fond of.

[khaled0111]

Jet Cash explained why he gave OP those 10 merits.

...I've given him 5 merits for starting the thread, and I'll watch it to see if we can get some helpful and constructive comments to help all of us who are beginners in the world of mining,

[edit]
You got lucky - McDonalds disconnected me, switched channels, and then reconnected me. This was when I was awarding the merits, so you got a double quota.
...

Always check twice before accusing anyone.

[Hudson-Odoi]

Jet Cash explained why he gave OP those 10 merits.

...I've given him 5 merits for starting the thread, and I'll watch it to see if we can get some helpful and constructive comments to help all of us who are beginners in the world of mining,

[edit]
You got lucky - McDonalds disconnected me, switched channels, and then reconnected me. This was when I was awarding the merits, so you got a double quota.
...

Oh, he made an excuse, so there is no chance he might be lying, right?
[/sarcasm]

[khaled0111]

Oh, he made an excuse, so there is no chance he might be lying, right?
[/sarcasm]

No, Jet Cash showed interest, lately, in mining related topics. He is not lying, it is just his way to encourage other members get involved in such topics.

Besides, a member is considered a merit abuser only when it is proven he is buying/selling merits or sending them to his alts.

[BitMaxz]

This is clear abuse, you would be saying the opposite if it was someone you weren't fond of.

No there is some reason why they send 10 merits to the post like what happened to me before that I'm sending 1 merit but accidentally sent 10 merits and sometimes I accidentally double sent merits. So we can't consider it as abuse.

Oh, he made an excuse, so there is no chance he might be lying, right?
[/sarcasm]

Possible but you need a proof that he is lying.

[suchmoon]

This is clear abuse, you would be saying the opposite if it was someone you weren't fond of.

I wouldn't. I have always said that sending or receiving merits is not proof of anything. If there was other evidence of malfeasance (alt accounts etc) - that's a different story. There is no such thing here.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Now this was what I was against when I stated clearly on your previous post, I knew it'll result to something of this nature, you going around picking useless reason to fight the system. The system that waa introduced to combat the spamming nature of the forum and from present stats so far it has work perfectly.
If a post isn't a spam, above average and it was written to the benefits of the forum members, it doesn't matter if it's a question or answer it's worth some merit and the amount totally depends on the sender. Just an advice "again" this thing you're developing your account into won't help in anyway and it'll just be a waste of time.

PS: Deserving questions are going unrewarded so when one gets merited that shouldn't be an issue

[finaleshot2016]

From the word abuse, what does it mean?

Did he use an alt account to merit that kind of post?
Do her/his friends give him some merits?
Did he beg merits to someone? If not, then it's not considered as an abuse.

Even how high is the amount of merits received to that kind of posts, you can't question him as long as he/she didn't do anything that will make it as an abusive action.

It was Jet Cash, a merit source, why don't you question him for giving a guy with low context merits? People have different taste and agenda for being a merit source, I think he has a reason for that action.

[tranthidung]

May or may not be worth 10 merits, it's up to the sending person. There is no abuse though.

It is the key point. If I get troubles, maybe crypto troubles or real-life troubles, then I fortunately see posts of someone in which I see point or points that I satisfy with, why not send them merits. Maybe, the point makes sense for me, and only at specific time in my life; but it does not make sense for anyone else.
I don't judge the post pinpointed above is a merit-abused one or not. It depends on each reader, and theymos don't care about merit abusements if not too extremely over-abusements.

[bones261]

Jet Cash explained why he gave OP those 10 merits.

...I've given him 5 merits for starting the thread, and I'll watch it to see if we can get some helpful and constructive comments to help all of us who are beginners in the world of mining,

[edit]
You got lucky - McDonalds disconnected me, switched channels, and then reconnected me. This was when I was awarding the merits, so you got a double quota.
...

Oh, he made an excuse, so there is no chance he might be lying, right?
[/sarcasm]

   I'm not certain what stick got in your craw, but you just happened to pick a sweet gentleman in his golden years to take out your indignation on. If you actually reviewed Jet Cash's recent merit history, you will find that he normally gives posts between 1 to 5 merits. If you research his merit history, you will find that he gave this particular post 5 merits twice within 2 minutes of each other. The story given by Jet Cash is quite plausible.
   Regarding the post itself, I agree that it is far from being Nobel Prize worthy. However, when theymos made it so an account had to have 1 merit to be a jr member, he gave many of us merit sources these instructions.

I recommend:
 - If a newbie posts something that could be even called good, then give them 1 merit. It doesn't need to be a great post.
 - It's best to use all of your source merit. If you don't naturally do so, try giving people more merit per post on average. If you don't send your source merit, then nobody gets it, but if you do send it, then the recipient can pass half of it on.
 
Thanks!

I am certain that Jet Cash is doing the best job that he can being a merit source.

[Jet Cash]

I don't remember the full details, but I do have trouble in finding good posts, and I decided to award 5 merits to the guy for starting the discussion. I thought it could become useful for those members who were considering starting a mining project to learn about Bitcoin. I still intend to do this myself, but I've got too much to sort out at the moment.

If somebody looks into the merit award, they will see that it is in fact 2 awards of 5 merits, and they were made within a one minute period. This was caused by problems with using McDonalds WiFi , and it has happened on several occasions. McDonalds has two channels on their WiFi. One has the ID of "O2" ( their service provider ), and the other is " McDonalds free WiFi". Periodically the current channel will disconnect, and then the computer will auto-connect to the alternative. If this happens at the time I award some merits, then the computer may resend the submission through the new connection. I'm guessing that the confirmation packet gets lost when the old channel disconnects, and this is why it retries. Maybe somebody with more knowledge can confirm this.

I don't think it is worth worrying about this glitch, it is fairly rare, and it just means that one member will be lucky and get a few extra merits.

[YOSHIE]

[...]

Merit, if that's the problem I don't think it's being questioned, in giving Merit.
You can catch a glimpse here: ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5117328.0 ) the point is, people who give fun and make sense of posts that are made.
That can't be said to blame Merit or an alt account.

Another story about misuse account Merit (alt).
As far as I know, the account connected with Merit is like this: ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5127335.msg50427401#msg50427401 ) Merit is rotated from account (1) to account (2) and (2) to (1) and you must be able to prove with other evidence to be strong, such as ETH, BTC, twitter, facebook etc.

Well, what happened with, ( Princemachiavelli ) I think it's natural for someone's sympathy, and what if this happens to you, you sure sure to be happy, isn't it.

[goaldigger]

Is this post worth 10 merits?

Hello Everyone

I have been mining for almost 6 months but I didn’t build it nor did it program it. I had a friend who helped me out but since then I have been interested in building my own and programming it myself. I have learnt to build it but just need to learn the programmingt, maintaining and upgrading part of the miner.

I have been looking but things seem very confusing with most people giving their opinions rather than actual knowledge. Can anyone please help me by providing me certain links as a newbie in this and other areas once I am able to increase my knowledge I can move up and keep learning.

Thank you

What I see is just someone asking a question, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that but that doesn't mean it's worth 10 merits.
What I find funny is that there are people here constantly looking for merit abusers but whenever someone highly trusted on the forum does something like give 10 merits for a post that doesn't deserve 1 then nobody asks any questions. They don't find it curious that when the user that sent the merits was confronted about this, they abandoned the thread and avoided the question.

If it was a normal member of the forum that gave 10 merits to that post, they would be labeled with negative feedback for merit abuse.

Hey, youre still new. Why do you keep bragging about merits rather than focusing on other helpful things? Dont be that greedy. If you post interesting posts then you will get it after. Theres no favoritism happening in the forum. If you are giving merits on your alt accounts which are too obvious then youll be labeled as merit abuser.

[The-One-Above-All]

I don't remember the full details, but I do have trouble in finding good posts, and I decided to award 5 merits to the guy for starting the discussion. I thought it could become useful for those members who were considering starting a mining project to learn about Bitcoin. I still intend to do this myself, but I've got too much to sort out at the moment.

If somebody looks into the merit award, they will see that it is in fact 2 awards of 5 merits, and they were made within a one minute period. This was caused by problems with using McDonalds WiFi , and it has happened on several occasions. McDonalds has two channels on their WiFi. One has the ID of "O2" ( their service provider ), and the other is " McDonalds free WiFi". Periodically the current channel will disconnect, and then the computer will auto-connect to the alternative. If this happens at the time I award some merits, then the computer may resend the submission through the new connection. I'm guessing that the confirmation packet gets lost when the old channel disconnects, and this is why it retries. Maybe somebody with more knowledge can confirm this.

I don't think it is worth worrying about this glitch, it is fairly rare, and it just means that one member will be lucky and get a few extra merits.

Jetcash gives out merits to his friends like candy.

Jetcash states he is starting a new club of those with 1000 earned merits. LFC_Bitcoin says he wants to have 1000 merits. Jetcash just gives him 5 for saying he wants more merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4661300.msg49692389#msg49692389