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April 13, 2019, 03:53:39 PM
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Jetcash gives out merits to his friends like candy.
Jet Cash gives our merits to his friends to everyone like candy. Fixed that for you.

As you can see from the forum data, Jet Cash is the 23rd most generous merit sender. As you can see from LoyceV's data, Jet Cash has merited 444 unique users, well above the current averages of 156 unique users among the top 200 merit senders and 232 unique users among the top 100 merit senders.

There are some people you could pick on for sending merit to their friends, but Jet Cash isn't one of them. Regardless, even if he was, please see below (emphasis mine):

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that.

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April 13, 2019, 04:14:48 PM
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Look like somebody shifted the focus from Lauda to JetCash.

I never thought/dreamed that somebody will try to create controversy using JC name.

Anyway I guess , Theymos have already read this thread and since Merits are not reversed so it is not considered as abuse.

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April 13, 2019, 05:24:44 PM
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Well I've given the above posters 10 merits each, so you can have a whinge about that now.

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You have 211 sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

and that doesn't include my source merits, so nobody that is creating a decent post for me to see is going short.

Oh! Neither of them is a frock puppet of mine either. Smiley

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April 13, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
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Jetcash gives out merits to his friends like candy.

Jetcash states he is starting a new club of those with 1000 earned merits. LFC_Bitcoin says he wants to have 1000 merits. Jetcash just gives him 5 for saying he wants more merits.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4661300.msg49692389#msg49692389

I mean to be honest, that's really how it goes. They just cycle the smerits around and then give them back out to the newbies and other members on the forum.
Merit doesn't really matter anyways because once you hit hero, it's basically the same.

Off topic though, who really cares about a title? Does it really matter when smerits are cycled through the people who are already legendary/hero? They just get more smerits to give out to the other contributors on the forum.
The only thing merit gets you is a higher pay rate in signature campaigns unless you have like shitty post quality then you'll just get booted out. So?Huh?
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April 13, 2019, 06:06:05 PM
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Actually merit sending completely depends on sender & I think every single merit sender have different point of view to give someone merit. I believe every single merit have great value because its the component which encourage our community users to provide quality works.

Without having proper evidence of merit abuse its not a wise decission to raise complain against any merit sender. But on the other hand its true that several alt accounts holder try to develop their accounts by merit abusing. Sometimes its can be typo mistake during merit sending for which sometimes we see large number of merits on some topic that doesn’t worthy for it. In that case if there were any reversed option for merit senders that could solve this issue. This option could be like senders will be able to fix his/her mistake within 10 min if they find exceed merit sent by mistake.

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April 13, 2019, 06:12:12 PM
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The double spend error seems to be the most common, but if awarders only give a max of 5 sMerits, then I don't think it is significant. The deliberate abuse should be the main focus, and the awarders won't be reversing those.

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April 13, 2019, 07:22:06 PM
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Jetcash gives out merits to his friends like candy.

And yet the guy in the quoted post is still a Newbie.

It is most definitely a friend who wanted these merits to rank up, and then decided not to.

For all the retards around here, please go read the definition of irony and sarcasm.

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April 13, 2019, 08:03:56 PM
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If it was a normal member of the forum that gave 10 merits to that post, they would be labeled with negative feedback for merit abuse.

"Normal member" - no. Alts sending merits to each other - probably.
I want to get you on the record in this. Is it ever acceptable to send merit to an alt or a “family member” with or without quotes?


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May or may not be worth 10 merits, it's up to the sending person. There is no abuse though.
It is ridiculous to imply that merit transactions cannot be questioned. It is tyrannical to say that someone’s actions cannot be questioned or criticized.

Jet Cash said he meant to send 5 merits but sent double due to internet issues. So the question becomes if the post in question deserves 5 merits. Merit sources are supposed to use all their source merit by the end of the month, and if they can only find so many merit worthy posts, they should give more merit/post, so there is little difference that he gave 10 instead of 5, or if he would have given 1 or 50.

I personally don’t think the post was particularly interesting myself, and I don’t think it was especially unique or was something that would potentially provoke thought. IMO, it was little more than someone saying they are new here.

Jet Cash can consider opinions on if the post is merit worthy written in this thread and elsewhere, and change his merit giving behavior if he no longer thinks the post deserves merit. A single instance of giving merit to a not-merit-worthy post is no big deal.

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Well I've given the above posters 10 merits each, so you can have a whinge about that now.

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The double spend error seems to be the most common,
On a lighter note....I was under the impression that bitcoinblockchain was supposed to fix the “double spend” problem.

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April 13, 2019, 08:26:46 PM
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If it was a normal member of the forum that gave 10 merits to that post, they would be labeled with negative feedback for merit abuse.

"Normal member" - no. Alts sending merits to each other - probably.
I want to get you on the record in this. Is it ever acceptable to send merit to an alt or a “family member” with or without quotes?

I want you to fuck off. Will I get my wish? This has been discussed and you participated in the thread so I don't for a second believe that your question is genuine.

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May or may not be worth 10 merits, it's up to the sending person. There is no abuse though.
It is ridiculous to imply that merit transactions cannot be questioned. It is tyrannical to say that someone’s actions cannot be questioned or criticized.

It's a good thing that I didn't imply any such thing. Otherwise you'd be doxing me for saying things that you don't like.

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April 13, 2019, 08:56:22 PM
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If it was a normal member of the forum that gave 10 merits to that post, they would be labeled with negative feedback for merit abuse.

"Normal member" - no. Alts sending merits to each other - probably.
I want to get you on the record in this. Is it ever acceptable to send merit to an alt or a “family member” with or without quotes?

I want you to fuck off. Will I get my wish? This has been discussed and you participated in the thread so I don't for a second believe that your question is genuine.
My question is genuine. Your response today what that the post in question would not have been appropriate if sent to an alt, which implies some posts would be appropriate if merit was sent to an alt. If you have already answered this question ("Is it ever acceptable to send merit to an alt or a “family member” with or without quotes"), perhaps you can point me to where you have previously answered this.

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May or may not be worth 10 merits, it's up to the sending person. There is no abuse though.
It is ridiculous to imply that merit transactions cannot be questioned. It is tyrannical to say that someone’s actions cannot be questioned or criticized.

It's a good thing that I didn't imply any such thing.
I beg to differ:

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April 13, 2019, 09:05:38 PM
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Your response today what that the post in question would not have been appropriate if sent to an alt, which implies some posts would be appropriate if merit was sent to an alt.

NFI what you're saying there. Try English maybe? One of the best posters LOL

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May or may not be worth 10 merits, it's up to the sending person. There is no abuse though.
It is ridiculous to imply that merit transactions cannot be questioned. It is tyrannical to say that someone’s actions cannot be questioned or criticized.

It's a good thing that I didn't imply any such thing.
I beg to differ:

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it's up to the sending person.

How does this imply that merit transactions cannot be questioned? You can question it all you want. This particular post was not a total shitpost, not posted by JC's alt as far as we know, so yeah - it's up to JC. Which part of this is too complicated for you?

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April 14, 2019, 08:04:33 AM
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I don't think it is worth worrying about this glitch, it is fairly rare, and it just means that one member will be lucky and get a few extra merits.
I also wanted to fix this glitch because sometimes when I'm giving merits, it usually doubles the number of merits. If I gave you 1, then it'll become 2 because of the poor internet connection. When you click the "send" button and it the browser loading is too slow, clicking "send" again or not will double the sent merits.

What if adding a cooldown of 30 seconds on giving merits to avoid this glitch and also to avoid merit abuse. At some point, alternative accounts are being used to provide merits to another account especially when he/she is rushing to join the bounty(some bounty requires merits right?).

There are some people you could pick on for sending merit to their friends, but Jet Cash isn't one of them. Regardless, even if he was, please see below (emphasis mine):

If they complain about amounts, tell them to complain to me. It's best if sources try to exhaust their source allocations, even if it means giving posts higher amounts than is typical. If you have 150 source merit and you only see 3 merit-worthy posts in a month, then I'd rather you over-give each of them 50 merit than let the merit expire. That way there are more people capable of sending merit, and the "merit economy" is less top-down.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that.

Imo, if Jet Cash has a lot of time, he can check each local section to provide merits. There are some posts that are written in English in our local so he/she can manage to distribute the merits to a lot of persons. For some members that are striving too hard, 1-5 merit is a huge amount for a beginner.

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<…> What if adding a cooldown of 30 seconds on giving merits to avoid this glitch and also to avoid merit abuse. <…>
It was fixed, back on the 29th of December 2018:
Alright, you now can't merit the same post with the same amount within 60 seconds.
The double spend being discussed would have happened anyway, since despite it being prior to the fix (22/12/2018), the two TXs were 2 minute and 34 seconds apart. I get similar “bugs” when I’m retrieving information to update my DB, whilst at the same time trying to merit a post. In my case it’s due to firecloud getting too many petitions from the same IP, but also public wifis tend to disconnect or have micro-interruptions. Regardless, this is not the issue.


Really, there I not much of an issue at all. It doesn’t matter whether it was 5 or 10 merits. Currently, 7.976 5 sMerit TXs have been handed out (2.824 10 sMerit TXs). People are entitled to go through the merit TXs, and that is why they are made public. Nevertheless, awarding criteria is fortunately diverse, and that is the whole point of it. Not all will agree neither with the fact of meriting a given post, nor with the quantity, but that is down to diversity of criteria here, not to abuse.

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The double spend being discussed would have happened anyway, since despite it being prior to the fix (22/12/2018), the two TXs were 2 minute and 34 seconds apart.

Thanks for checking that. The 2 minutes seems to be a longer interval than I would have expected, however, you do have to go through a splash page to confirm the new connection, so it is something that I will have to watch out for in the future. Probably the best thing for me to do is to close the merit awarding page if I lose a connection. Once contact has been reestablished, then I can resubmit the award if it hasn't been recorded.

I was going to apologise to the community for this double spend, but the whole thing seems to be a bit petty  for just 5 merits. The good thing is that this thread has allowed me to award some more merits, but I would have preferred to give them for political or technical help posts.

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Imo, if Jet Cash has a lot of time, he can check each local section to provide merits. There are some posts that are written in English in our local so he/she can manage to distribute the merits to a lot of persons.
I can only speak for myself here, but I have very little enthusiasm to trawl through pages and pages of posts I can't understand in a language I don't speak on the off chance of stumbling across one in English. I have, however, merited quite a few post in the Polish section previously (after reading them via Google Translate or similar) because they have been brought to my attention. I would suggest if you are seeing good local posts which are not being merited, to report them here: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. There a quite a few sources who check that thread and have merited posts from various local sections.

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April 14, 2019, 02:40:42 PM
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<…> What if adding a cooldown of 30 seconds on giving merits to avoid this glitch and also to avoid merit abuse. <…>
It was fixed, back on the 29th of December 2018:
Alright, you now can't merit the same post with the same amount within 60 seconds.
The double spend being discussed would have happened anyway, since despite it being prior to the fix (22/12/2018), the two TXs were 2 minute and 34 seconds apart. I get similar “bugs” when I’m retrieving information to update my DB, whilst at the same time trying to merit a post. In my case it’s due to firecloud getting too many petitions from the same IP, but also public wifis tend to disconnect or have micro-interruptions. Regardless, this is not the issue.

Really, there I not much of an issue at all. It doesn’t matter whether it was 5 or 10 merits. Currently, 7.976 5 sMerit TXs have been handed out (2.824 10 sMerit TXs). People are entitled to go through the merit TXs, and that is why they are made public. Nevertheless, awarding criteria is fortunately diverse, and that is the whole point of it. Not all will agree neither with the fact of meriting a given post, nor with the quantity, but that is down to diversity of criteria here, not to abuse.


Thanks for informing us, I'm not active during that time so maybe I missed that update. The 2 minutes was an exact cooldown to avoid those glitch, the only thing I was doing is to wait for the platform to reconnect and check if the merit was sent or not.

Imo, if Jet Cash has a lot of time, he can check each local section to provide merits. There are some posts that are written in English in our local so he/she can manage to distribute the merits to a lot of persons.
I can only speak for myself here, but I have very little enthusiasm to trawl through pages and pages of posts I can't understand in a language I don't speak on the off chance of stumbling across one in English. I have, however, merited quite a few post in the Polish section previously (after reading them via Google Translate or similar) because they have been brought to my attention. I would suggest if you are seeing good local posts which are not being merited, to report them here: [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. There a quite a few sources who check that thread and have merited posts from various local sections.

Good thing for you since Google translation was not quite accurate and it's very hard to understand if they're translated into English. I saw that effort of yours to help other people even you're not the one who should be helping them. I mean, moderators/higher-ups of the local should be the first to look at their fellow members since they're in the same community with same mother tongue. I'll try to report if I found someone to boost their motivation to create another topic that might help our community. I didn't expect that there are too many threads for developing and boosting each individual especially beginners. I notice that higher-ups are trying to make a good path for the newcomers, at first I thought people are just promoting each platform and all about business. The community is changing little by little and soon it will constantly breed a quality posters.


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