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July 18, 2025, 01:41:31 PM
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Exactly this, most people don’t realize they are  being baited into selling too early while the real players are stacking silently..... The game is psychological they want you out before the real run begins. Selling now means giving up your advantage just as institutional demand is skyrocketing....

‎Hold with conviction. We are still early. When Bitcoin hits true scarcity and global recognition, that is when the payoff comes not during a dip that billionaires are using to accumulate more.......
Billionaires will continue to accumulate assets because they have learned from what happened in the Bitcoin market in the past when its price was equivalent to a piece of candy. They will try to accumulate most of their resources and then convert them into Bitcoin and hold them for a long time, while the lower middle class people are still hesitant to follow their footsteps due to various negative assumptions about asset security, risk levels and future returns.

If we rewind to the past, precisely when Bitcoin was first launched, Bitcoin had no exchange value against ($) or other currencies because it was not traded on any exchange, at that time Bitcoin was only mined by a small community of cypherpunks, this situation lasted until 2010 and finally in May 2010 it had a value of around $0.003 to $0.01 after being officially traded on platforms such as BitcoinMarket. It takes confidence and courage to make the decision to invest in Bitcoin. If someone thinks they are not ready, they will never be ready.

The industry has not yet entered its mid-terms, there is still plenty of time to profit greatly from wise decisions. Record after record has been broken and what is happening in the market now is just the beginning, when Bitcoin is adopted more widely with all the support from governments with regulatory policies, it will make demand higher than supply, this situation can create scarcity and the price will increase even more.

Absolutely on point. History has shown us time and again that early conviction always pays off,especially in disruptive innovations like Bitcoin. The truth is, the wealthy don’t wait for mass approval or comfort,they move based on foresight, data, and strategic positioning. They understand that true wealth is built during the uncertainty phase, not when the market is already saturated.

‎You are right, back in the early days, Bitcoin had no fiat value, no institutional backing, no userfriendly platforms,just a vision. And yet, those who understood its potential dared to act..... Today, we are seeing a similar scenario unfold. Despite all the progress Bitcoin has made, many are still hesitant due to fear, misinformation, or a lack of understanding.....

‎But as you said, this industry has not even reached maturity yet. The infrastructure is being built, regulations are gradually providing clarity, and adoption is accelerating globally...... Once supply is consistently outpaced by demand, especially with halving cycles in play, scarcity becomes a powerful price driver. Now is the time to think long term, act with conviction, and avoid being part of the crowd that looks back a decade from now wishing they had moved sooner.....
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July 18, 2025, 01:49:09 PM
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Exactly this, most people don’t realize they are  being baited into selling too early while the real players are stacking silently..... The game is psychological they want you out before the real run begins. Selling now means giving up your advantage just as institutional demand is skyrocketing....

‎Hold with conviction. We are still early. When Bitcoin hits true scarcity and global recognition, that is when the payoff comes not during a dip that billionaires are using to accumulate more.......
Billionaires will continue to accumulate assets because they have learned from what happened in the Bitcoin market in the past when its price was equivalent to a piece of candy. They will try to accumulate most of their resources and then convert them into Bitcoin and hold them for a long time, while the lower middle class people are still hesitant to follow their footsteps due to various negative assumptions about asset security, risk levels and future returns.

If we rewind to the past, precisely when Bitcoin was first launched, Bitcoin had no exchange value against ($) or other currencies because it was not traded on any exchange, at that time Bitcoin was only mined by a small community of cypherpunks, this situation lasted until 2010 and finally in May 2010 it had a value of around $0.003 to $0.01 after being officially traded on platforms such as BitcoinMarket. It takes confidence and courage to make the decision to invest in Bitcoin. If someone thinks they are not ready, they will never be ready.

The industry has not yet entered its mid-terms there is still plenty of time to profit greatly from wise decisions. Record after record has been broken and what is happening in the market now is just the beginning, when Bitcoin is adopted more widely with all the support from governments with regulatory policies, it will make demand higher than supply, this situation can create scarcity and the price will increase even more.

Most people are trained to react emotionally while the smart money moves with precision. Holding through the noise isn’t easy that’s exactly why it pays. Zoom out, stay focused, and remember real wealth is built in silence, not hype.”

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July 18, 2025, 02:08:04 PM
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Exactly this, most people don’t realize they are  being baited into selling too early while the real players are stacking silently..... The game is psychological they want you out before the real run begins. Selling now means giving up your advantage just as institutional demand is skyrocketing....

‎Hold with conviction. We are still early. When Bitcoin hits true scarcity and global recognition, that is when the payoff comes not during a dip that billionaires are using to accumulate more.......
Billionaires will continue to accumulate assets because they have learned from what happened in the Bitcoin market in the past when its price was equivalent to a piece of candy. They will try to accumulate most of their resources and then convert them into Bitcoin and hold them for a long time, while the lower middle class people are still hesitant to follow their footsteps due to various negative assumptions about asset security, risk levels and future returns.

If we rewind to the past, precisely when Bitcoin was first launched, Bitcoin had no exchange value against ($) or other currencies because it was not traded on any exchange, at that time Bitcoin was only mined by a small community of cypherpunks, this situation lasted until 2010 and finally in May 2010 it had a value of around $0.003 to $0.01 after being officially traded on platforms such as BitcoinMarket. It takes confidence and courage to make the decision to invest in Bitcoin. If someone thinks they are not ready, they will never be ready.

The industry has not yet entered its mid-terms there is still plenty of time to profit greatly from wise decisions. Record after record has been broken and what is happening in the market now is just the beginning, when Bitcoin is adopted more widely with all the support from governments with regulatory policies, it will make demand higher than supply, this situation can create scarcity and the price will increase even more.

Most people are trained to react emotionally while the smart money moves with precision. Holding through the noise isn’t easy that’s exactly why it pays. Zoom out, stay focused, and remember real wealth is built in silence, not hype.”


Exactly, emotional reactions are what the market feeds on which can be  fear, hype, and impatience. But those who stay calm, zoom out, and stick to their plan are the ones who actually win in the long run......
‎Discipline and silence always beat noise and excitement. Smart money is not loud , it’s calculated......


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July 18, 2025, 03:04:06 PM
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If any pleb is selling his/her Bitcoin right now because "it's a good price", then let me tell you something. You're merely letting those billionaires win against you because you're giving away the only financial advantage you have against them - Your precious Bitcoin.

We have already front-ran them. Don't give them the opportunity to front-run YOU by selling now. Sell later, sell when it's in a seven figure price valuation, sell when Bitcoin has surged above Gold's total market value.

     


‎This is exactly the mindset needed right now. Too many retail investors are giving away their edge just because the price looks good. Meanwhile, institutions are stacking quietly, planning years ahead while some folks are still thinking in weeks.

‎The fact that only 492,750 BTC is left to be mined in the next 3 years should be enough to wake people up. The supply squeeze is real, and once these entities lock up their bags, liquidity will vanish fast.

‎Retail needs to stop being exit liquidity for billionaires. Accumulate with conviction, stay patient, and understand the game you are playing. We front-ran them once don’t hand it back on a silver platter.

If you're unloading your Bitcoin now just because its a good price, you’re playing right into the billionaire playbook. You’re handing over your only edge against them. We've already moved ahead. Why let them front-run you Hold your position. Sell when BTC hits seven figures. Sell when it overtakes gold’s entire market cap. Until then you're not just holding crypto you are holding power.

I get what you’re saying, and to be honest, I agree with a big part of it. Selling now just because the price looks good might not be the smartest move, especially if you understand where Bitcoin is heading. This is not just some random asset anymore. The big guys, institutions, it’s obvious they’re not selling here. They’re buying. So yeah, if you let go of your position too early, you’re likely handing over your edge.
Even if you make profit from a short-term investment, it cannot be called a profit because there is a big possibility of loss. After investing in Bitcoin, if you sell it for a small profit, you will try to buy it again. Rather, at that time, it may be that you have to buy it for more money than the profit you made. That is why, you are not making profit there, but are facing losses in the long term.

Obviously bitcoin investment is not a short term investment yet some people will be tempted to go for the short term profit as a result of being curious to taste profit from bitcoin investment. regardless to the fact that they're going about it the wrong way but I can't Deny the fact that they're making profit from short term investment, because alot of people made huge amount of money from thier short term investment, So you can't possibly say that what they're making is not profit. If what they're making is not profit then what is it called? Though I totally understand your point but whoever that think he can manage the risk of loosing his money in short term investment have every right to do so, as we can't force them to focus on the long term investment so whichever way they think is best for them let them go but the Truth is, Long term investment remains the best and most reliable way to go about bitcoin investment if we want our profit to be well matured.

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July 18, 2025, 04:03:36 PM
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Obviously bitcoin investment is not a short term investment yet some people will be tempted to go for the short term profit as a result of being curious to taste profit from bitcoin investment. regardless to the fact that they're going about it the wrong way but I can't Deny the fact that they're making profit from short term investment, because alot of people made huge amount of money from thier short term investment, So you can't possibly say that what they're making is not profit. If what they're making is not profit then what is it called? Though I totally understand your point but whoever that think he can manage the risk of loosing his money in short term investment have every right to do so, as we can't force them to focus on the long term investment so whichever way they think is best for them let them go but the Truth is, Long term investment remains the best and most reliable way to go about bitcoin investment if we want our profit to be well matured.
I personally think that if you cannot hold your investment for a long time, then you should refrain from investing in Bitcoin. You have to remember that you cannot expect to make quick profits by investing in Bitcoin, if you think like that, then you are running on the wrong path. Bitcoin is an asset that will make you profitable in the long term, if you invest in the short term and cannot hold it for a long time, then you can sell it at a loss. So above all, before investing in Bitcoin, you must plan for the long term. And it is not the case that you have to invest a lot of money in Bitcoin, try to buy according to your means. Plan to hold it for at least one cycle or two or three cycles. But never think about making short-term investments.
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July 18, 2025, 04:08:45 PM
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I personally think that if you cannot hold your investment for a long time, then you should refrain from investing in Bitcoin. You have to remember that you cannot expect to make quick profits by investing in Bitcoin, if you think like that, then you are running on the wrong path. Bitcoin is an asset that will make you profitable in the long term, if you invest in the short term and cannot hold it for a long time, then you can sell it at a loss. So above all, before investing in Bitcoin, you must plan for the long term. And it is not the case that you have to invest a lot of money in Bitcoin, try to buy according to your means. Plan to hold it for at least one cycle or two or three cycles. But never think about making short-term investments.

It’s not entirely true. Bitcoin price is volatile so you can have profit as quickly as 1 day or shorter if you manage to purchase Bitcoin right before the price rally started.

It’s not necessarily true that you will only have profit on Bitcoin when holding long term while in fact Bitcoin price pump happened in spread time frame which means you can gain profit regardless how long or short you hold.

Holding it long will term can give a maximize benefits and it’s the best way on Bitcoin investing but not the only way to get profit.

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July 18, 2025, 04:32:00 PM
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That is a solid long term perspective. Selling should definitely be tied to your personal strategy, not just price milestones...... Seven figures might sound tempting, but without a clear exit plan, it is  easy to fumble the opportunity. I like the idea of taking small profits while reinvesting to stay in the game also a  smart way to balance growth and security....
Taking small profit when you have not gotten to that over accumulation stage yet is actually not proper, that is the idea of a trader, a real supporter of Bitcoin is only interested in taking profit from his investment when he has gotten to the end of his accumulation stage, which is the over accumulation stage.
Selling part of your Bitcoin with the intention of reinvesting it later is pointless honestly, you can afford to do that when you have gotten to that over accumulation status, not when you are still far behind or no where near your over accumulation status.
I get your point, but not everyones journey or financial situation is the same. Some people take partial profits to manage risk, especially during uncertain times. ......It doesn’t always mean they are not long term believers, sometimes it’s just about staying in the game and avoiding emotional or financial pressure....

It's a wrong mindset in my own opinion, selling some part of your Bitcoin as a means of managing risk makes no sense especially if you are no where near the end of your accumulation journey or you haven't gotten up to that over accumulation status yet.
And as for the aspect of managing financial and emotional pressure, it still makes no sense at all in selling, the primary purpose of investing with an amount you can afford to lose is because of you wouldn't have to be emotional if your investment isn't going as planned, so as a Bitcoin investor, you have no business being emotional with your investment.

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I personally think that if you cannot hold your investment for a long time, then you should refrain from investing in Bitcoin. You have to remember that you cannot expect to make quick profits by investing in Bitcoin, if you think like that, then you are running on the wrong path. Bitcoin is an asset that will make you profitable in the long term, if you invest in the short term and cannot hold it for a long time, then you can sell it at a loss. So above all, before investing in Bitcoin, you must plan for the long term. And it is not the case that you have to invest a lot of money in Bitcoin, try to buy according to your means. Plan to hold it for at least one cycle or two or three cycles. But never think about making short-term investments.

It’s not entirely true. Bitcoin price is volatile so you can have profit as quickly as 1 day or shorter if you manage to purchase Bitcoin right before the price rally started.

It’s not necessarily true that you will only have profit on Bitcoin when holding long term while in fact Bitcoin price pump happened in spread time frame which means you can gain profit regardless how long or short you hold.

Holding it long will term can give a maximize benefits and it’s the best way on Bitcoin investing but not the only way to get profit.
Anyone that's after short profits like you said is a trader and not an investor because a long-term investor wouldn't be moved with little profits that he sees and sell because he is accumulating for his future and after reaching his bitcoin target. Profits shouldn't be what we should be looking at when investing if not it can make us deviate from becoming long-term investors which was our initial goal and turn into a trader.

Nobody says that bitcoin price cannot pump within a short time, but is that the right time for you to sell, and how many bitcoin is in your portfolio. When you sell too early, you have wasted all the time that you have used to accumulate bitcoin because you might not be able to buy them cheaper at that same price. This is the reason why long-term investment is the best so that you don't miss out from the compounding value of your bitcoin portfolio.

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Some people need to balance growth with safety..... Taking a bit of profit during key moments is not  necessarily weakness, it is  strategy. What matters most is staying in the game and not getting shaken out entirely. For some, small profit taking is what keeps them sane and committed for the long haul......
Since everyone doesn't have the same financial flexibility is the main reason why you should figure out how much from your discretionary income that you will use to DCA weekly/monthly that you can afford to lose. So that, you don't give a fuck about touching your bitcoin or think of selling part of it when you have reach your bitcoin target.

If you are plan to buy and hodli for long term and you take little profits gradually when you're still in your accumulation phase, you are acting like a trader and that will make you lose focus on only accumulating without selling. This will slow down your bitcoin journey and you might only be able to accumulate little bitcoin in the long run, because you are selling. You finally turn into a trader. Don't invest more than your financial capacity from your discretionary income to.

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I personally think that if you cannot hold your investment for a long time, then you should refrain from investing in Bitcoin. You have to remember that you cannot expect to make quick profits by investing in Bitcoin, if you think like that, then you are running on the wrong path. Bitcoin is an asset that will make you profitable in the long term, if you invest in the short term and cannot hold it for a long time, then you can sell it at a loss. So above all, before investing in Bitcoin, you must plan for the long term. And it is not the case that you have to invest a lot of money in Bitcoin, try to buy according to your means. Plan to hold it for at least one cycle or two or three cycles. But never think about making short-term investments.

First of all, let me say that investment is long-term and always try to invest with a long-term mindset. But if a person is not able to hold their holdings for a long time, then he can invest in a short-term manner. For example, if you have tried to hold your investment for a long time many times but you could not succeed, then if you want, you should invest in a short-term manner. When you buy and hold your holdings until your investment is profitable, you will not lose anything. In this way, you can also invest in a short-term manner. This way, your chances of losing are very low. But always try to invest in a long-term manner, never think of investing in a short-term manner, there are many risks in short-term investments.

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July 18, 2025, 06:07:33 PM
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Exactly, emotional reactions are what the market feeds on which can be  fear, hype, and impatience. But those who stay calm, zoom out, and stick to their plan are the ones who actually win in the long run......
‎Discipline and silence always beat noise and excitement. Smart money is not loud , it’s calculated......
Your statement sounds more like a motivation and that's great, actually those who withstand the pressure of wanting to make uncalclated decision stay very strong and stand to the future, bitcoin requires an investor to stay away from some news that could lead them to make mistake althogh those that that see negative news in this space as what to react to are still not conversant with what bitcoin is capable of doing in the future, I know that one will ask if anything is promised in the future, there may not be asuurnace in the future but the history that bitcoin is accompanied gives us assurance that the future of this investment is assured, at least those that has been here for awhile will attest to that, so what we that are all need, is to keep building our portfolio without being distracted by anything.

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July 18, 2025, 06:12:46 PM
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Some people need to balance growth with safety..... Taking a bit of profit during key moments is not  necessarily weakness, it is  strategy. What matters most is staying in the game and not getting shaken out entirely. For some, small profit taking is what keeps them sane and committed for the long haul......
Since everyone doesn't have the same financial flexibility is the main reason why you should figure out how much from your discretionary income that you will use to DCA weekly/monthly that you can afford to lose. So that, you don't give a fuck about touching your bitcoin or think of selling part of it when you have reach your bitcoin target.

If you are plan to buy and hodli for long term and you take little profits gradually when you're still in your accumulation phase, you are acting like a trader and that will make you lose focus on only accumulating without selling. This will slow down your bitcoin journey and you might only be able to accumulate little bitcoin in the long run, because you are selling. You finally turn into a trader. Don't invest more than your financial capacity from your discretionary income to.

I completely agree with you. The longer you can invest in Bitcoin, the more profit you can make. You should set a target for at least 4 to 10 years and invest an amount that comes from your discretionary income by following the DCA method regularly. Now the thing is maximum people are hoping to get rich very quickly. That's why they stay away from what actual profit they could make . One thing should always be understood Bitcoin is for investors, not for traders. Bitcoin is for those who want to invest for the long term, for the safety of their lives, for the safety of their assets. Because the profit that can be obtained by investing in Bitcoin is not possible by investing in any other place .Bitcoin has proven this time and again.
There is another type of people who buy when the price is at a DIP but that is for a long timer. For them, I want to say if the price goes down, it is okay to buy and hold. But if you can follow the DCA method and invest regularly, then the mental instability will be ok even the price going up and down. But you can do one thing if your discretionary income is $50, spend $40 of it regularly to buy Bitcoin and keep the remaining $10 as funding. When according to your mentality or thinking, it seems that the BTC value dip is now , then invest that  saved fund in BTC. Although it is better to invest in full discretionary income. I always prefer that.

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First of all, let me say that investment is long-term and always try to invest with a long-term mindset. But if a person is not able to hold their holdings for a long time, then he can invest in a short-term manner. For example, if you have tried to hold your investment for a long time many times but you could not succeed, then if you want, you should invest in a short-term manner. When you buy and hold your holdings until your investment is profitable, you will not lose anything. In this way, you can also invest in a short-term manner. This way, your chances of losing are very low. But always try to invest in a long-term manner, never think of investing in a short-term manner, there are many risks in short-term investments.
Bitcoin investment is designed to be a long-term investment for many reasons. Good profits can only be made in Bitcoin when it is viewed as a long-term investment. Having Bitcoin in mind as a long-term investment gives one the right mindset to invest and not to worry even if the market falls significantly. The reason it is difficult to make good profits from Bitcoin investment is that one can become desperate to make quick profits and to predict the market. Understanding that Bitcoin is a long-term investment means you won't focus on predicting when to make a profit; instead, all your focus will be on accumulating Bitcoin. As far as Bitcoin investment is concerned, just keep in mind that it must be a long-term investment.

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Obviously bitcoin investment is not a short term investment yet some people will be tempted to go for the short term profit as a result of being curious to taste profit from bitcoin investment. regardless to the fact that they're going about it the wrong way but I can't Deny the fact that they're making profit from short term investment, because alot of people made huge amount of money from thier short term investment, So you can't possibly say that what they're making is not profit. If what they're making is not profit then what is it called? Though I totally understand your point but whoever that think he can manage the risk of loosing his money in short term investment have every right to do so, as we can't force them to focus on the long term investment so whichever way they think is best for them let them go but the Truth is, Long term investment remains the best and most reliable way to go about bitcoin investment if we want our profit to be well matured.
I personally think that if you cannot hold your investment for a long time, then you should refrain from investing in Bitcoin. You have to remember that you cannot expect to make quick profits by investing in Bitcoin, if you think like that, then you are running on the wrong path. Bitcoin is an asset that will make you profitable in the long term, if you invest in the short term and cannot hold it for a long time, then you can sell it at a loss. So above all, before investing in Bitcoin, you must plan for the long term. And it is not the case that you have to invest a lot of money in Bitcoin, try to buy according to your means. Plan to hold it for at least one cycle or two or three cycles. But never think about making short-term investments.
Actually investing in Bitcoin should be a thing of beauty and also having a good mindset on how to invest with a good plan of investing for a longer term and hodl, but I think it’s best we encourage newbies and people who are just a pleb like me to invest for a long term and hodl purpose instead of discouraging people from investing in Bitcoin, we’re all here to learn and grow and we makes mistakes but the most important thing is to learn and grow from the mistakes that we’ve made, everyone will want to have a successful investment but either way it depends on our mindset, and some people too haven’t heard about holding bitcoin for a long term. So it’s better we tell them you can hodl your bitcoin, instead of telling them not to invest if you can’t hodl.

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A long-term investor that are selling now are maybe those individuals that must have reach their over accumulation stage whom must have accumulated for over 3-4 cycles or more because I don't think a real Bitcoin investor who has not reached his target will be selling instead of accumulating and HODLing to build up his portfolio for a better future profit which will be a million times better than now, or maybe he/she is selling because of health issues who knows and having no other options but just to sell off their Bitcoin to solve their pressing needs, but even at that selling at once or in large quantity is not a good idea, instead you sell little quantity that will be easily replaceable when the need or time to replace it arise.

Thinking that Bitcoin would still do 1000000X from the current price might seem unrealistic to me. I can agree that Bitcoin would reach unit price of a million dollar or more in coming cycles and that's around only 10x. This multiplier prediction of yours was seen by those very early adopters and I don't think that kind of profits would be seen again. Although Bitcoin promises to be more profitable in the future no doubt, but we need to be more realistic when speculating on it's future price margin.


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July 18, 2025, 06:52:36 PM
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It's a wrong mindset in my own opinion, selling some part of your Bitcoin as a means of managing risk makes no sense especially if you are no where near the end of your accumulation journey or you haven't gotten up to that over accumulation status yet.
If your intention is to hold bitcoin for a long term, then why sell when their is just a little price movement in the market. Which risk are you managing? because if you are planning to hold bitcoin for long term, then bitcoin wont move just a little bit, and you will want to sell just to manage your risk, if you are having that kind of mindset, then you won’t be able to hold for long term because any slight increase in price, you will sell, hoping to buy back when the price drops, and you should know that the price won’t always be dropping to the price which you want.

If you want to invest in bitcoin for long term, then you shouldn’t have the mindset of selling when you are in little profit, if you can do it that you won’t really be checking your wallet frequently, or you won’t be checking the market frequently, am sure that’s really going to help.

If you have checked bitcoin price history, then you going to know that bitcoin price is still going to go  higher, and you shouldn’t be distracted with the little price movement in the market currently, you shouldn’t be scared that bitcoin is going to dump, all what you should do is just to make sure you properly secure your bitcoin, and you have nothing to panic about.

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Actually investing in Bitcoin should be a thing of beauty and also having a good mindset on how to invest with a good plan of investing for a longer term and hodl, but I think it’s best we encourage newbies and people who are just a pleb like me to invest for a long term and hodl purpose instead of discouraging people from investing in Bitcoin, we’re all here to learn and grow and we makes mistakes but the most important thing is to learn and grow from the mistakes that we’ve made, everyone will want to have a successful investment but either way it depends on our mindset, and some people too haven’t heard about holding bitcoin for a long term. So it’s better we tell them you can hodl your bitcoin, instead of telling them not to invest if you can’t hodl.

The good thing is that Bitcoin has kept proven itself to be among the best long-term investment so you don't have to talk much when convincing post to start investing in Bitcoin, one of the common complain though is that the price is to high for them or scare of buying from the top .

Yeah the price is high but doesn't stop you from buying, and you can make use of DCA method to start accumulating little portion of bitvoin till you hit a milestone, of having enough , your accumulation goal everyone have their own accumulation goal . So don't be like because Mr B is targeting 4 BTC you will have to target that also , no you can choose to go lesser than that or even more than that all boils than to your capacity.

Concerning buying from the top , it will get to point market will do correction (experiencing some decrease in price ). At then the best thing to do is put on a big smile and keep buying and eventually the market will surge again especially when you are holding Bitcoin not shitcoins you will just end up being rug pulled .

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July 18, 2025, 09:04:39 PM
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When holding, we should target at least 4 to 10 years time so that we give enough time when possibly, we stand chances of making higher gains even though you are not obliged to sell off after this holding period too.

Even if you are mentioning 4-10 years or longer as a possible timeline to hold your bitcoin, you still seem to be thinking about bitcoin in terms of a trade rather than an investment since it seems to make little to no sense to build up a bitcoin investment in bitcoin and then transition into selling all of it.. but yeah, people have difficulties considering that they would continue to hold their bitcoin investment through their life, even if they might also be selling parts of it from time to time.

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Well an investor must not sell when Bitcoin hits seven figures because seven figures is really a long way to go even though Bitcoin is volatile. The only time an investor is suppose to sell is when they have reach their target which is the overaccumulation stage and getting to overaccumulation stage doesn't also mean one can or should sell their investment anyhow but rather it is advisable to sell a little cent of it and while selling you are also investing back little to ensure that cent taking off are not been notice.

I think that the idea is that if you believe that you need $80k per year to live comfortably, and you have assessed that you need a minimum of 16 BTC to start to employ such practice of withdrawing $80k per year from your bitcoin, yet you want to be a little bit more comfortable that you have enough and that you are not making a mistake, so instead of employing the withdrawal strategy at 16 BTC, you want to make sure that you have 25% extra.. and so you wait until you have 20 BTC to start to employ your withdrawal strategy of $80k per year, and in essence you are never going to run out of bitcoin, even if you adjust the withdrawal up 7% each year, so year 1 (right now) you withdraw $80k, and then year 2, 2026 you withdraw $85.6k, and then year 3 2027, you withdraw $91.6k, and then year 4, 2028 you withdraw $98k, and since you are in an overaccumulatoin status, and you chose an appropriate withdrawal amount, your bitcoin is gaining in dollar value faster than the amount that you withdraw from it, and since you purposefully choose to wait to start your withdrawal until you had at least 25% more than your threshold level, you also have an extra cushion of BTC that is adding to your bitcoin growing in dollar value faster than you are withdrawing from it.

Of course, you are responsible for your calculations and to make sure that you don't screw it up, and perhaps if bitcoin seems to be growing in value slower than you expected, then you slow down your withdrawal level and/or otherwise reassess the situation.

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That is a solid long term perspective. Selling should definitely be tied to your personal strategy, not just price milestones...... Seven figures might sound tempting, but without a clear exit plan, it is  easy to fumble the opportunity. I like the idea of taking small profits while reinvesting to stay in the game also a  smart way to balance growth and security....

Traders think in terms of exit plan, yet of course, the employment of sustainable withdrawal is still a form of exit plan, but you really never need to exit, you just manage your withdrawals and make sure that you have enough bitcoin to start to have an income that is pretty much perpetual as long as you have accomplished your calculations accurately.

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I get what you’re saying, and to be honest, I agree with a big part of it. Selling now just because the price looks good might not be the smartest move, especially if you understand where Bitcoin is heading. This is not just some random asset anymore. The big guys, institutions, it’s obvious they’re not selling here. They’re buying. So yeah, if you let go of your position too early, you’re likely handing over your edge.

We are still in a position to frontrun bigger players, especially because it takes them time to come around to bitcoin and to invest into it... Yet surely more and more bigger players are getting into bitcoin, so yeah, it becomes harder and harder to say that we front ran BIGGER players if we are still not getting in.

But at the same time, I feel like we have to be real: not everyone is in the same position. Every investor has their own reason for getting in, and their own plan for getting out. Which is simply entering and exit plan….

Some people have been in this way before most of us even knew what Bitcoin was. Take someone like JayJuanGee, who has been investing in Bitcoin since around 2013, if I’m right.. A guy like that could have a portion of his Bitcoin set to sell at $120k, not because he doesn’t believe in Bitcoin anymore, but because that is part of his strategy. Maybe it’s just 0.5-5% of his bag, just to lock something in. That does not mean he is out, it just means he’ is managing his journey based on how long he has been holding.

Surely there could be guys who are selling up to 10% of their BTC stash every time it doubles (and they don't have to wait for a doubling, they could sell 1% every time it goes up 10%), and maybe they started doing that several years ago.  As long as BTC continues going up, they are never going to run out of coins, and BTC keeps gaining in value more than the amounts of their sales.  This is price based sustainable withdrawal.

They could also employ time based sustainable withdrawal.. for example to sell 10% of the dollar value of their stash every year based on the 200-WMA value.. and the 200-WMA is quite likely going up more than 10% per year. 

They could employ modified versions of price-based and time-based sustainable withdrawal.

And that is what I trying to say, everyone has their own investment plan. Some people are here for the next 5 years. Some are here for 20. Some just want to build enough to make life a bit easier. Others want to go all the way to generational wealth. There is  no one size fits all.. lol Cheesy

But me personally? I’m holding strong, I’m still pretty new. I believe we are still early. Bitcoin has not even reached real scarcity yet. The world has not woken up fully. When that happens, when the entire financial system begins to realize Bitcoin is here to stay, that is when the real payoff comes. Not now. Not in these small moves …..

Hopefully you are buying and building and not just hodling.. but hey that is your choice..

Guys frequently make mistakes of selling too much too soon and they also make mistakes of failing to continue to accumulate.  From my perspective HODL is good once you have enough or more than enough, but if you have not come close to that level of BTC accumulation, then you need to keep buying bitcoin consistently, persistently, ongoingly, regularly and perhaps even aggressively.. and don't get too worried about BTC price, especially in your first cycle of accumulating and maybe even in your first two cycles, depending on how much a guy had been able to accumulate in his first cycle of buying.

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That is a disciplined mindset and I respect it. Overaccumulation and multi cycle holding are definitely powerful strategies, especially for those with a long time horizon. But it is s also true that people have different financial realities. Some might need to adapt their plans along the way not everyone can wait multiple cycles before ever touching profits......The key is being intentional, if you are investing with a clear plan, whether it's long term holding or occasional profit taking, what matters is that you are not acting out of fear or hype, but out of strategy.

If you are still in your BTC accumulation phase, selling (or trying to trade) is not a good strategy to assure that you are continuing to accumulate.  It also knocks you out of the accumulation mindset and puts you into a waiting mindset, which is likely not going to serve your abilities to accumulate enough or more than enough BTC.

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Most people are trained to react emotionally while the smart money moves with precision. Holding through the noise isn’t easy that’s exactly why it pays. Zoom out, stay focused, and remember real wealth is built in silence, not hype.”

Of course, you can do whatever you want, but there tends to be quite a bit of value in continuing to buy BTC rather than just HODLing, especially when you are in your first cycle or two of accumulating bitcoin.

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Exactly, emotional reactions are what the market feeds on which can be  fear, hype, and impatience. But those who stay calm, zoom out, and stick to their plan are the ones who actually win in the long run......
‎Discipline and silence always beat noise and excitement. Smart money is not loud , it’s calculated......

Smart money is also not smart from the very beginning.  Smart money has to learn how to be smart and also build up their BTC holdings and their wealth through smartness.. and hopefully not fucking around trading and trying to believe that they are smarter than they actually are... but at the same time, quite a bit of smart money made a lot of mistakes prior to becoming smart.

That is a solid long term perspective. Selling should definitely be tied to your personal strategy, not just price milestones...... Seven figures might sound tempting, but without a clear exit plan, it is  easy to fumble the opportunity. I like the idea of taking small profits while reinvesting to stay in the game also a  smart way to balance growth and security....
Taking small profit when you have not gotten to that over accumulation stage yet is actually not proper, that is the idea of a trader, a real supporter of Bitcoin is only interested in taking profit from his investment when he has gotten to the end of his accumulation stage, which is the over accumulation stage.
Selling part of your Bitcoin with the intention of reinvesting it later is pointless honestly, you can afford to do that when you have gotten to that over accumulation status, not when you are still far behind or no where near your over accumulation status.
I get your point, but not everyones journey or financial situation is the same. Some people take partial profits to manage risk, especially during uncertain times. ......It doesn’t always mean they are not long term believers, sometimes it’s just about staying in the game and avoiding emotional or financial pressure....
It's a wrong mindset in my own opinion, selling some part of your Bitcoin as a means of managing risk makes no sense especially if you are no where near the end of your accumulation journey or you haven't gotten up to that over accumulation status yet.
And as for the aspect of managing financial and emotional pressure, it still makes no sense at all in selling, the primary purpose of investing with an amount you can afford to lose is because of you wouldn't have to be emotional if your investment isn't going as planned, so as a Bitcoin investor, you have no business being emotional with your investment.

There are ways to invest into bitcoin to lessen the emotions, and sure we are all likely to feel some emotions and even uncertainties about if we should do something when the BTC price is running a lot in one direction or another.  I frequently have considered that if we put our finances in good order then good emotions will follow from that.

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July 18, 2025, 09:24:41 PM
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When holding, we should target at least 4 to 10 years time so that we give enough time when possibly, we stand chances of making higher gains even though you are not obliged to sell off after this holding period too.
Even if you are mentioning 4-10 years or longer as a possible timeline to hold your bitcoin, you still seem to be thinking about bitcoin in terms of a trade rather than an investment since it seems to make little to no sense to build up a bitcoin investment in bitcoin and then transition into selling all of it.. but yeah, people have difficulties considering that they would continue to hold their bitcoin investment through their life, even if they might also be selling parts of it from time to time.
In fact, Bitcoin should not be considered as either a trading or investment asset, but rather as an asset that is a lot like holding gold in reserve.
Because gold is an asset that increases in value over time 50 years from now, on the other hand, if we keep the money we traditionally keep in a bank for 50 years, that amount will decrease several times due to inflation.

No, I am not saying to people that put all their eggs in one basket. If someone wants, they can spend the minimum amount they can afford here like 10$ per week but that should be regularly, like we deposit our salary on banks.
And if people take Bitcoin as their strategic reserve in this way, then in the future they will be able to beat the inflation of the fiat currencies in their banks and will be economically strong.

And besides, it's not like a person can't take any other strategy separately rather investing $10. In addition to the weekly investment of $10, he can also make a 4-year to 10-year investment plan if he wants.  Wink

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I personally think that if you cannot hold your investment for a long time, then you should refrain from investing in Bitcoin. You have to remember that you cannot expect to make quick profits by investing in Bitcoin, if you think like that, then you are running on the wrong path. Bitcoin is an asset that will make you profitable in the long term, if you invest in the short term and cannot hold it for a long time, then you can sell it at a loss. So above all, before investing in Bitcoin, you must plan for the long term. And it is not the case that you have to invest a lot of money in Bitcoin, try to buy according to your means. Plan to hold it for at least one cycle or two or three cycles. But never think about making short-term investments.

The goal is for everyone to hold on for a very long time because those who have been holding on for a very long time, some people are running from Bitcoin because they don't want to hold for a long time, and that is what it was designed for when you invest and you hold, then it is more beneficial than trading because there is less risk because trading involves more risk, and that is why people are running to invest.

And some people who are whales today started by accumulating and holding for a very long time, and the time frame they have always held will be what they need. What to do is to trust the process because when you are holding, there has to be a lot of seriousness because no pain, no gain. but either way, if the folks prefer to do short-term, then they should go ahead because everyone has the right to choose whatever they want to do.

And when you are inviting anyone to the business, then I would advise them to actually hold for a long time, and when they buy, they should make sure they are keeping the seed phrase, and then the next thing will be profit because they actually waited.











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