Trust system abuse, i bought this account because the rules allow it.

[Vesperion]

A troll newbie decide to start a fake accusation against me. And trusted users decide to support him.

Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134065.0

The issue:

I self admitted that i bough this account because the forum allow it as we can see on the forum rules:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 Forum rules
18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

I join to Yobit signature campaign because i don't have a job and my 3 kids need something to eat, not because i love Yobit, but now is over because user Steamtyme can burn anyone reputation without consequences.

Then i ask mods and admins, why we have rules if the trusted users gives no fucks against them?. Like it or not account sales are allowed! I'm not scamming people or doing something illegal, i'm just trying to get a job to feed my kids. I'm not a bad guy.

If you think i do something wrong please go and give me a negative trust. If you think account sales should be banned then talk with the forum admin, but please don't destroy the life of the guy who is trying to earn some btc with his time and work.

Hope some users can talk with Steamtyme to remove the neg, because that was an abuse.

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[Foxpup]

Like it or not account sales are allowed!

Like it or not, giving negative trust to account buyers is also allowed.

[Aero Blue]

Like it or not account sales are allowed!

Like it or not, giving negative trust to account buyers is also allowed.

True, I think his point is more along the lines of he is being accused of something he did not do and is getting negative trust for a false accusation. Not against the rules but if people knew they probably would remove it.

[Foxpup]

he is being accused of something he did not do

He did buy this account. He admitted it (in the title of this very thread, no less). Please read at least the title of the thread before spamming in it or kindly fuck off.

[Vesperion]

he is being accused of something he did not do

He did buy this account. He admitted it (in the title of this very thread, no less). Please read at least the title of the thread before spamming in it or kindly fuck off.

Yes, i bough this account and make it public because i don't have anything to hide, i'm not scamming people, i'm just hones, and if be hones will be my sin then its fine, i prefer to die telling the truth than to join to this great community with lies.

[Aero Blue]

he is being accused of something he did not do

He did buy this account. He admitted it (in the title of this very thread, no less). Please read at least the title of the thread before spamming in it or kindly fuck off.

He was being accused of hacking the account not purchasing it... If you read the thread you would know that (in the post no less) Please read the post before spamming or you kindly fuck off.

[TheUltraElite]

A troll newbie decide to start a fake accusation against me. And trusted users decide to support him.

Because account sales are looked down upon in this forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 Forum rules
18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

Read the bold print.

I join to Yobit signature campaign because i don't have a job and my 3 kids need something to eat, not because i love Yobit, but now is over because user Steamtyme can burn anyone reputation without consequences.

Not just him, but any other DT member can do that because account sales only lead to scammers, spammers to enter the forum and simply pay to get access to an old account which is the reason you also bought this account for.

If you need money work hard like every other forum member here and "EARN" your rank. Not go for the easy way out.

Then i ask mods and admins, why we have rules if the trusted users gives no fucks against them?. Like it or not account sales are allowed! I'm not scamming people or doing something illegal, i'm just trying to get a job to feed my kids. I'm not a bad guy.

Mods dont care about the trust system - you see now? This is a reason why account sales are discouraged. It makes inexperienced people enter the forum with no knowledge about how it works.

If you think i do something wrong please go and give me a negative trust. If you think account sales should be banned then talk with the forum admin, but please don't destroy the life of the guy who is trying to earn some btc with his time and work.

Well someone who wants to spam the forum with 140posts/week has no life in my opinion. No hard feelings.

Hope some users can talk with Steamtyme to remove the neg, because that was an abuse.

Your tagging of Steamtyme was a false tag. That is the actual abuse. Learn about the trust system before you speak on it.
Enjoy more negative trust from other DT members (including me). Feel free to go on a rampage now. Cheers and bye.

[Foxpup]

He was being accused of hacking the account not purchasing it...

That's not what he got negative trust for, which is what he's complaining about (that part's in right the thread title, too).

[Aero Blue]

He was being accused of hacking the account not purchasing it...

That's not what he got negative trust for, which is what he's complaining about (that part's in right the thread title, too).

A troll newbie decides to start a fake accusation against me. And trusted users decide to support him.

I do not agree that it's trust system abuse, but the whole reason this all got started is because of the fake hack accusation.

A troll newbie decide to start a fake accusation against me. And trusted users decide to support him.

Because account sales are looked down upon in this forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0 Forum rules
18. Having multiple accounts and account sales are allowed, but account sales are discouraged.

Read the bold print.

I join to Yobit signature campaign because i don't have a job and my 3 kids need something to eat, not because i love Yobit, but now is over because user Steamtyme can burn anyone reputation without consequences.

Not just him, but any other DT member can do that because account sales only lead to scammers, spammers to enter the forum and simply pay to get access to an old account which is the reason you also bought this account for.

If you need money work hard like every other forum member here and "EARN" your rank. Not go for the easy way out.

Then i ask mods and admins, why we have rules if the trusted users gives no fucks against them?. Like it or not account sales are allowed! I'm not scamming people or doing something illegal, i'm just trying to get a job to feed my kids. I'm not a bad guy.

Mods dont care about the trust system - you see now? This is a reason why account sales are discouraged. It makes inexperienced people enter the forum with no knowledge about how it works.

If you think i do something wrong please go and give me a negative trust. If you think account sales should be banned then talk with the forum admin, but please don't destroy the life of the guy who is trying to earn some btc with his time and work.

Well someone who wants to spam the forum with 140posts/week has no life in my opinion. No hard feelings.

Hope some users can talk with Steamtyme to remove the neg, because that was an abuse.

Your tagging of Steamtyme was a false tag. That is the actual abuse. Learn about the trust system before you speak on it.
Enjoy more negative trust from other DT members (including me). Feel free to go on a rampage now. Cheers and bye.

Half of the accounts on this forum are bought... Nice job on promoting honesty, now next time he just won't say anything. Kind of dumb tagging people for admitting that, sure go ahead and tag me, I'm just saying my opinion. Sure account buying is discouraged but it happens all the time, at least this guy was honest about it and hasn't scammed anyone.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I join to Yobit signature campaign because i don't have a job and my 3 kids need something to eat, not because i love Yobit, but now is over because user Steamtyme can burn anyone reputation without consequences.

That may or may not be true about your kids needing something to eat, but that isn't a forum problem.  It's a you problem, and the only concern good members of bitcointalk have is about the quality of the forum.  It isn't a workplace.  It isn't a charity.  How were you feeding these alleged children right before Yobit started up their campaign, anyway?

Then i ask mods and admins, why we have rules if the trusted users gives no fucks against them?. Like it or not account sales are allowed!

You must have missed the fact that account buyers and sellers have been getting tagged since 2016.  Again, that's on you.  There are forum rules and then there are unwritten rules.  You do realize that scamming isn't against the rules here, right?  Yet scammers routinely get tagged.  Same concept with account dealers.

[khaled0111]

There is a general consensus among DTs that both buyer and seller have to be tagged.

What were you doing to feed your three kids before joining this campaign!
I advice you to find a real job as it became obvious for you that you can rely on the forum to be  your main source of income.

Sorry, I don't think Steamtyme or any other DT is going to make an exception for you especially after the retaliatory feedback you left for him.

[Lauda]

Since you're playing that card: Here's another negative rating because the rules allow it.

...because i don't have a job and my 3 kids need something to eat...

Get a real job and stop being a leech, the forum is not a welfare state.

[Vesperion]

You are right guys, i did it wrong. So, i apologies and quit.

You win 

[Quickseller]

I [...]  quit.

Another person seems to have left the forum because their reputation was ruined for something unrelated to scamming.

[The-One-Above-All]

only DT members are allowed to sell and buy accounts on here, did you not know this?

this DT member nutildah is lecturing others here in 2014 on why they should NOT sell their accounts admits that selling accounts leaves other member vulnerable to getting scammed....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789658.msg9062680#msg9062680

then decides to sell their own account in 2016 so just 100% goes against everything they were saying.... and does not give a toss if people get scammed?? prime DT material I'm sure.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.5


his DT friends do not seem to feel this account needs a red tag??

a/ because he listed it for sale for months not caring if people get scammed.
b/ we don't even know it it was sold and the person just claimed it was no longer for sale. So it could certainly have been sold.

If you did something wrong then they should red tag that account also

They red tag people on "suspicion" like justiceforyou a vip member or even if they " think" you are an alt of someone.  

They only require PROOF beyond what is reasonably possible on an anonymous forum when it is one of them being examined.

[khaled0111]

Another person seems to have left the forum because their reputation was ruined for something unrelated to scamming.

He will be removed from the Yobit signature campaign, that's all.
Having a negative trust doesn't mean you don't have the right to participate in discussions.

You have a negative trust but still you are one of the most active users.

[Quickseller]

Another person seems to have left the forum because their reputation was ruined for something unrelated to scamming.

He will be removed from the Yobit signature campaign, that's all.
Having a negative trust doesn't mean you don't have the right to participate in discussions.

You have a negative trust but still you are one of the most active users.

He said he quit [the forum]. Regardless of what his rights are, it appears he will no longer participate here.

He spent money on buying his account, presumably to be able to participate in a signature campaign to earn money, and a newbie account (possiblyprobably the person who sold him the account) nearly immidiately opened a thread claiming the account was hacked. He now can no longer use that account to earn from a signature campaign.

The newbie account said the account was sold for $60 but was never paid, and the person posting from Vesperion says he actually paid $200 for it. IMO the price that Vesperion provided sounds more reasonable considering he can earn a little more than $100/week in the yobit campaign. Neither has provided any kind of signed message, nor evidence a payment for the account was made one way or another.

I am still able to conduct the amount of business I wish to conduct, under the circumstances that are acceptable to me, and as such, I continue to participate. Someone else who is unable to conduct business with their negative trust is not going to continue to participate.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

He will be removed from the Yobit signature campaign, that's all.
Having a negative trust doesn't mean you don't have the right to participate in discussions.

You have a negative trust but still you are one of the most active users.

Perfectly stated.  Plus I don't buy the hard luck story, as I strongly suspect this guy is a seasoned veteran of signature campaigns.  In any case, neither his account nor his life is ruined by having negative trust.

then decides to sell their own account in 2016 so just 100% goes against everything they were saying.... and does not give a toss if people get scammed?? prime DT material I'm sure.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.5

That was 2016 when there accounts were first starting to get tagged.  It didn't, and there's no explanation for this that you'd be satisfied with--and I'm not interested in feeding trolls.  Nobody is going to tag him for that now anyway.  Please fuck off.

[Steamtyme]

Agree with it or not, I left the feedback. Here was my last post in that thread.

Thanks for the negative, there goes one back to you, enjoy it!  
Please read the forum rules before abuse the trust system again https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

You're welcome. You are free to leave feedback as you see fit. Maybe someday it will carry weight if people see value in how you use the system. I have read the rules, that's why I placed my referral link there, interesting point considering referral links is a whole other murky line for another discussion topic. I placed mine where it would not be an issue, and if it became a community issue I would remove it.

I did not tag you based on the OP, that just brought you to my attention, once the account was admittedly sold/bought it deserved a tag, based on the community standards for acceptable practices. You don't have to like my feedback, the same way I don't have to like/tolerate account sales.

@Tryninja well explained.

But I agree with OP should signed an old address with this mentioned account.
Edit: Much better if they both side will signed an old address posted this account.

I guess that would clarify who rightly owns the account at this point, although account recovery would probably do just fine if it as been hacked. Either way the tag I left has nothing to do with the OP's claims just what the account holder has said themselves.

Didn't even notice this little doozy until I took a break from something else. To address some of the concerns I've seen

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I do not agree that it's trust system abuse, but the whole reason this all got started is because of the fake hack accusation.
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Half of the accounts on this forum are bought... Nice job on promoting honesty, now next time he just won't say anything. Kind of dumb tagging people for admitting that, sure go ahead and tag me, I'm just saying my opinion. Sure account buying is discouraged but it happens all the time, at least this guy was honest about it and hasn't scammed anyone.

Regardless of how it came to light it's clear cut what happened. They clearly came here to misrepresent themselves and earn a paycheck. Sure the guy was honest about it, and hadn't scammed anyone. Who's to say when he sells the account the next person wouldn't. If left alone they would be under the impression that account sales are harmless and may just have helped keep up the practice. They can sort it out with the seller now if they want.

Another person seems to have left the forum because their reputation was ruined for something unrelated to scamming.
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I am still able to conduct the amount of business I wish to conduct, under the circumstances that are acceptable to me, and as such, I continue to participate. Someone else who is unable to conduct business with their negative trust is not going to continue to participate.

We differ on what could be related to scamming. Account sales fall well within my realm of shady/scammy behavior. They're a risk many people are not interested in tolerating. In the end it really only affect those who buy the account and come here to earn. That user could still conduct business here if they chose to try, there are even some campaigns taking red trust members. Unfortunately for them they didn't do their research, tried to take the easy way out, and it didn't work out for them.

I will also point out that it wasn't their reputation to lose.

[The-One-Above-All]

He will be removed from the Yobit signature campaign, that's all.
Having a negative trust doesn't mean you don't have the right to participate in discussions.

You have a negative trust but still you are one of the most active users.

Perfectly stated.  Plus I don't buy the hard luck story, as I strongly suspect this guy is a seasoned veteran of signature campaigns.  In any case, neither his account nor his life is ruined by having negative trust.

then decides to sell their own account in 2016 so just 100% goes against everything they were saying.... and does not give a toss if people get scammed?? prime DT material I'm sure.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.5

That was 2016 when there accounts were first starting to get tagged.  It didn't, and there's no explanation for this that you'd be satisfied with--and I'm not interested in feeding trolls.  Nobody is going to tag him for that now anyway.  Please fuck off.

Please do not use that language towards me. Remain civil.

We are discussing trust. If you recognize in 2014 that selling your account leaves members vulnerable to scamming then decide to sell your account then by your own argument you are untrustworthy. Nutildah deserves red trust far more than this person.

I will see to it that he is tagged or that every other persons tag is removed for buying and selling accounts.

He argued that selling your account makes you untrustworthy before he went right ahead and decided to sell his own account.  If he strongly believed selling accounts leaves members open to scamming and went ahead and contributed to the probability of people being scammed.

We know that you will often protect know scammers and are untrustworthy sneaky and greedy yourself Huge Black Woman. You used that alt to troll racist sig spam for btc crumbs.


@ Steamtyme

I hope you will be red flagging the nutildah account or I will call you on double standards here. Read my above post for details.