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April 21, 2019, 06:18:57 PM
Last edit: April 22, 2019, 03:02:24 PM by CryptopreneurBrainboss
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As usual, I seize the opportunities (when I see one) to pass my message across and so far I have gotten positive feedbacks from reputed and regular users contributing to my thread, translations of those thread and highlighting of these threads through merits.
Having written on Factors to consider before joining a paid signature campaigns. and Benefits of promoting a quality paid signature campaign and as a result of the recent talks about the yobit signature campaign, I thought it'll be idea to combine all the possible disadvantagea of promoting signature campaigns that encourages spamming, maybe with this thread, we can save few members through reconsidering their decision of joining those campaigns after reading these disadvantages.
Below are some disadvantage;



[1]: Turns you into a spammer: Irrespective of what your posting habit were before you engage in a signature campaign that requires very high number of post count to get a decent payout, it increase your chances of turning into a spammer. 8 out of every 10 participants in these type of campaign are usually spammers and as the saying goes, "you turn into those you associate yourself with". As a result of trying to earn as much as your counterparts (spammers) are earning you turn into one of them, thereby spamming the forum just to earn as much as them.

[2]: Reduces your chances of getting merited: If one of your goals on forum is to receive enough merits from your quality posts to make you eligible to rank up then you have to stay far away from these signature that encourages spamming, as majority of reputed forum members, merit sources and other meriters sees participants of those campaign as spammers even though you're not a spammer yourself. some members even go further as putting those users wearing that particular signature on ignore which can ruin your chances of receiving merits from that users as they can't view (read) your post. As a result of not encouraging spammers some users don't merit users spamming the forum with those signatures. The best advice will be to stay away from those campaign and concentrate on contribution positively through your post to the forum as you wait for more quality campaigns to promote.

[3]: Gets you blacklisted by most reputed managers: Just like the ignore list created by most reputed users on the forum, some campaign managers have what they called "signature ban list"  aka blacklist they consult to avoid accepting spammers into their current or future campaigns they'll be managing. The most popular for now is the DarkList. Note most managers don't have this list publicize on the forum but they do have some members they have recognized as spammers due to one reason or the other and won't accept them into the campaign they're associate with. One of those reasons could be because of your previous campaign (which encourages spamming).

[4]: Ruin your reputation on forum: This disadvantage affects users who're interested in building a reputation for themselves on forum or already have a reputation. Joining a signature campaign can be seen as a form of endorsing that campaign and most time a user is viewed from the type of campaign he/she associate themselves with. which means, associating yourself with a spam promoting campaign will portary you as a spammer or a user with less interest of the forum at hand, as a result ruin your reputation on the forum.

[5]: Increase the possibility of getting banned: Promoting a signature campaign that encourages spamming which leads to spamming the forum most time, is an easy tickets to getting banned although plagiarism is the number one ticket. Spammers aren't welcome in the forum as the forum itself is trying her best in eliminating spam by implementing different system to combat spamming, from providing an option to report spammers to moderators to implementing the merit system and more features to come in future like the total removal of signature campaign from the forum. The forum have zero tolerance to spammers and repeated spamming as a result of meeting the required weekly/daily Post  could result in getting banned.

[6]: Reduces potential improvements on crypto knowledge: I believe what OP is trying to say is, joining a signature campaign that encourages spamming which might turn you into a spammer will decrease your chances of learning somethings new or adding to your existing knowledge of cryptocurrency from the forum as your number one priority will now be, how to spam to earn instead of concentrating on learning from the forum.
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I meant by brainless spamming the forum, spammers will have less (or without) exposures to comprehensive boards, child boards, topics, posts, that in turn will result in decreasing chances to be exposed with knowledgeable things in the forum. Then, maybe spammers will spend years to spam in the forum without any improvements on their knowledge about crypto things.


In as much as I write about signature campaign and I'm wearing one that doesn't mean I see forum as a place for only signature campaign or advertisment (you shouldn't too) but these privilege are highly been abuse resulting to spam and a good way to combat this, is but educating users that's what I see my threads as.

The disadvantage of wearing a signature that promotes spamming isn't limited to 5 points, I can go on and on but as usual to encourage interactive contributions from other users I leave room for more contributions to this thread.

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[1]: Turns you into a spammer: . ~~
There is high chances for these signature campaign to actually ruin a good poster into a spamming type, this has been quite unfortunate when you see a very high rank member posting some one liner just to get paid from the campaign, this also imply to lower rank members. Basically, many account on the forum, has just be resurrected from a long inactive period just to participant on some ongoing signature campaigns. Participating on these campaigns doesn't make it a crime but lets put forth our credibility rather than ruining our reputation on the forum.  

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[2]: Reduces your chances of getting merited: ~~
On this, i'm not vividly sure becasue they all have Merit cycle which rotate like the wheel of a car. They go on and on to merit themselves just becasue they are wearing the same signature campaign. Some will further trade their Merit with their alts to get the chances to join the campaign, just saw a Legendary account merited some Newbies and high rank members with 10 Merits, which purpose are yet to be know. They will always get Merited no matter what.

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[3]: Gets you blacklisted by most reputed managers: ~~
Direct, after these campaigns have ended, maybe some managers on the forum will have the list of these campaigners but some won't border about them becasue they benefited in one way or the other.

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[4]: Ruin your reputation on forum: ~~
If these signature campaigns never succeed, then their reputation will be destroy without a second thought from reputable members on the forum.

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[5]: Increase the possibility of getting banned: ~~
Yes, only if they stand at the edge and bite, there's surely a possibility of account ban, but till then let cross our fingers across and watch this river flowing downward, but for upwards BAN hammer will be the last resort.
 
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I think a lot of people don't realize what signature campaigns actually are, they are called "signature campaigns" to mask their real purpose. The point is to advertise their service, the advertisers give these insane incentives because they don't care about if their people get banned, all they want is their site spammed everywhere. And why do they advertise on BitcoinTalk? Because people here will post like crazy for cents on the dollar, it's super worth it to them. They get super cheap advertising on the biggest bitcoin forum there is. It's important to remember that we set the standard we are held at, you set your own worth. If you really think your content is worth a few cents on the dollar, then so be it. But I think that most people are better than that, take the initiative of your own worth and display whatever the hell you want in your signature. Don't let a greedy corporation own it. I think signature space should be your own, hell put a thing for donations in it, at least that way you can get acknowledged for the content you make. Stop advertising gambling sites most of all, people lose their livelihood over that kind of stuff, don't try to rationalize it. Advertising "investing" is the same thing, people don't understand what they are doing and they think it's fine because the person wearing the signature is reputable. I usually don't do long rants like this but I feel like I needed to say something about this whole situation.

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April 21, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
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Truth be told, campaigns that encourage spamming and do not emphasis quality of posts usually end up costing the participant.
I have seen certain members here join such campaigns and have never earned even a single merit for months just because the campaign Managers of such campaigns don't care about the post quality of participants. They Just encourage shit posting and one liners.

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April 21, 2019, 07:46:18 PM
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maybe with this thread, we can save few members through reconsidering their decision of joining those campaigns after reading these disadvantages.

I presume this is largely inspired by Yobit's resurrection. Thing is though apart from a few exceptions none of its participants would stand a hope in hell of getting into any other campaign. They've managed to prove that within a couple of days.

They're going to hang themselves. I'm sure you can take it on without being hopeless but you'll need to be conscious of a lot of people watching you closely.

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Very good points, I hope the participants in spammy campaigns will read your post (but I doubt it).

The biggest problem of such signature campaigns is that people are forced to make a high number of posts per week / per day to get the amounts in BTC compared to campaigns where the posts per week are limited to 40 - 60 posts per week. And whenever someone is forced to make comments that he won't make normally, the outcome is not useful at all. If they are forced to make their number of posts per day they'll make replies about things they are possibly not experienced in. The post quality will go down drastically and the posts won't help anyone, just adding another post to the topic. Those replies are not only not helpful, they are ruining the discussion and causing spam-megathreads.
Same like if someone tries to participate in a gambling signature campaign and as requirement they need to make posts in Gambling but they normally don't comment there. The replies won't be very useful.

I don't want to generalize everyone in the YoBit signature campaign as a spammer, there are also a few good contributors and even the best posters on the forum can make more than 100 posts per week without producing useless spam as a result. But the overall impression is like CryptopreneurBrainboss explained very well in his OP, it won't work for most members because they try to earn as much as possible.

In addition, such campaigns tend to ruin the posting history. A good posting history is always mixed with longer or shorter posts. No need to write always essays if you can say your content only in a few words. But for my experience the worst posters are those where the post lenght is always the same (a few lines) and that's a pattern that most spam posters have in common.

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Thats a rather difficult topic because signature campaigns in general, especially those which pay per posting, want you to spam the forums. Signatures are their advertisment, the more its seen the better a token/tool/project/... gets recognized.

If you can get paid for eg 60 posts/week you will try to write them forcing you to post at topics you cant contribute well or topics you arent familiar with. Some campaigns eg. want you to write postings in the gambling section, if you arent into gambling at all how could you post quality content in this subforum at all?

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April 22, 2019, 08:55:12 AM
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If you can get paid for eg 60 posts/week you will try to write them forcing you to post at topics you cant contribute well or topics you arent familiar with. Some campaigns eg. want you to write postings in the gambling section, if you arent into gambling at all how could you post quality content in this subforum at all?

When ever I write a post I always try to touch every angle. I have taken care of that in my previous thread titled; Factors to consider before joining a paid signature campaigns. if you know you can't make up to the required post count or the specific board the campaign manager requires post counts from, you're not familiar with the board there's no need applying for that campaign because majority of the time you might just end up spamming your way to your post goal. That's why majority of well known quality campaign pays per post but they do have a post limit weekly to avoid spamming.

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[6]: Reduces potential improvements on crypto knowledge: I meant by brainless spamming the forum, spammers will have less (or without) exposures to comprehensive boards, child boards, topics, posts, that in turn will result in decreasing chances to be exposed with knowledgeable things in the forum. Then, maybe spammers will spend years to spam in the forum without any improvements on their knowledge about crypto things.

 
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April 22, 2019, 09:22:52 AM
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It is shameful for you to contribute to ads of a service considered scam or by a lot of dark activities. Would you be happy to contribute to scamming others? I do not think so.

I think that the main purpose of the signature campaigns is to stop at the post and thus increase the desire to know what is participating in the signature, especially that such people do not publish anything unknown in their signature.

Based on above: my advince to campaign managers: it would be better to pay a $1000 to 10 influential account instead of paying that amount to 100 spammy accounts.

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Based on above: my advince to campaign managers: it would be better to pay a $1000 to 10 influential account instead of paying that amount to 100 spammy accounts.
Perhaps that works the other way around. Some campaign doesn't care if they pay reputable and influential accounts as it will be nothing from 100 spam accounts. Imagine your signature will be expose in all boards of forum thus bad publicity is still publicity anyway.

While some don't care what will be the impression to them and either feels like they weren't spammer since they post with a 5 minute interval.🤦

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1. SC's aka signature campaigns make you feel greedy but if you just want to earn some money by doing something you always do, you can't turn into a spammer. Spammers spam even forums where they don't earn to post.

2. Merit is a personal choice of members and is not restricted to just high rank members. If any member finds your post worthy, they will merit it irrespective of the sig you carry. Not all members ignore users of a sig campaign.

3. If you are a spammer, you would be blacklisted even if you aren't a part of any campaign.

4. Scammers have no reputation while people don't give so much importance to spammers. If you are honest and don't promote a scam campaign, nothing can harm your reputation.

5. That's again dependent on if you spam and has nothing to do with any particular campaign.

6. This point doesn't even make sense  Roll Eyes

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 Participating in signature campaigns demands a lot of free time to make a good job.
companies want their ads  to be shown as much as possible in the forum. The problem is that is encourages spam, as users are forced to post the most they can...

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Let's assume that Y*bit is not a scam exchange, the sigcamp itself is so strange. Twenty posts per day are just impossible for manual work that involves thinking. Just saying... By the way, I wonder how long it will last before these zombie accounts go back to sleep again.

For newbies: It's just not worth to become one of the zombies. Once you get infected, it almost incurable.

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Some campaigns eg. want you to write postings in the gambling section, if you arent into gambling at all how could you post quality content in this subforum at all?

You should demonstrate some self awareness and not join. There's absolutely no way I could face being in campaign like that. First off I think gambling is worthless and evil and I'd rather it buggered off forever, but mainly attempting to sound interested in it on here would be like pulling teeth. It would take me three hours of wracking my brain to come up with one sentence and then I'd have a stroke.

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April 22, 2019, 05:50:02 PM
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For newbies: It's just not worth to become one of the zombies. Once you get infected, it almost incurable.

Thanks for the advice, but this time around, the senior members joining this yobit campaign needs this advice more. I believe yobit only intention for this campaign was to promote their IEO coming in the near days after that they'll reconsider the number of participants they'll be paying after they must have used them to scam the greedy individuals thinking IEO is better than I COULD not knowing, it's just a new ways scammers have rebranded scamming.

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April 22, 2019, 06:16:24 PM
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Thanks for the advice, but this time around, the senior members joining this yobit campaign needs this advice more.

They're the original zombies. Back in the day you could rank up to senior and beyond just by posting 'hi' a few times a month for a few months. When something like that campaign emerged so did all of those dormant accounts.

Some people created hundreds of them.

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April 22, 2019, 06:45:05 PM
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Thanks for the advice, but this time around, the senior members joining this yobit campaign needs this advice more.

They're the original zombies. Back in the day you could rank up to senior and beyond just by posting 'hi' a few times a month for a few months. When something like that campaign emerged so did all of those dormant accounts.

Some people created hundreds of them.

Am very sorry to say this: very handful of your type are worth emulating on the forum, i wonder how the system was then, that make many of these accounts attained these status: like Legendary, Hero, Sr. Member and Full Member. So many of these accounts are alts and the worst part is, they are one liner posters. Will they be pay with such post? If yes, Yobit has done something terrible. Now i see the reason why they are like that: Original Zombies.

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April 22, 2019, 06:49:44 PM
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Will they be pay with such post? If yes, Yobit has done something terrible. Now i see the reason why they are like that: Original Zombies.

Nope.

The Yobit campaign has just been banned and that was really the only option for these piece of shit accounts.

Almost all of the other ones are managed sensibly and one word posters with zero merit won't stand a chance of getting into any of them. It won't matter if they're legendary. They're still demonstrably crap.

There used to be semi automated campaigns like the Bitmixer.io one which didn't review posts or posters, you just signed up and started. That was shut down and forced to restart with a proper manager.

I think the merit requirements to rank up are too high but they have made a big difference and if you've earned a senior rank with merit you will be welcome in the best campaigns.

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Will they be pay with such post? If yes, Yobit has done something terrible. Now i see the reason why they are like that: Original Zombies.

I think the merit requirements to rank up are too high but they have made a big difference and if you've earned a senior rank with merit you will be welcome in the best campaigns.

A very big thank you for the enlightenment my truly Legendary Member.

Sometime i do regret why was i late to this forum, now that things are very difficult for newcomers. Ranking up is more difficult compare to these days where the forum was young. Although this has be the reason why many of us with lower rank are doing great even with the current system implementation of the merit.


Did hope for someday i will rank up like others on this forum, permit me to always read-up your post here on forum, to get more flavor from your post.

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