{Facts} Disadvantage of promoting scam signature campaigns that encourage spam.

[Becky666]

Did hope for someday i will rank up like others on this forum, permit me to always read-up your post here on forum, to get more flavor from your post.

Have a kick up the arse from me.

Kudos for the kicked-up arse . You have just encourage me to intensify effort on my post. This will gear me to do more helpful and constructive post for the betterment of others who are here to learn. Have just added you to my watch-list of Legendary Pioneers to follow, and equally learn from.

The signature ban came at the right time before these Zombies spread their virus all-over the forum. Commend the administrators for the action taken against spamming Bees with questionable signature campaign.

[mu_enrico]

That's very true, i noticed that too but what are the steps the administration of the forum are putting in place to prevent these Original zombies, as you called them from taking advantage of the signature system to spam the forum.

Don't lose faith for this forum. We want the same thing, i.e., to clean this forum from spammers/bots/zombies. The administrator has taken actions for this problem, here:

129 users who were wearing a yobit signature and had at least 1 good report against them in the last 14 days are banned for 14 days. All yobit signatures are wiped. Signatures containing "yobit.net" are banned for 60 days.

Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.

Also, these old, high-ranked accounts, are pretty much useless. Good (BTC) campaign managers always do due diligence before accepting someone to their signature campaigns.

[Pmalek]

I think a lot of people don't realize what signature campaigns actually are, they are called "signature campaigns" to mask their real purpose. The point is to advertise their service, the advertisers give these insane incentives because they don't care about if their people get banned,

It is not the job of the campaigns to make sure that the members promoting them don't get banned. It is the members of this forum who need to pay attention what they do with their accounts and what kind of posting habit they will have. The signature campaigns together will the campaign managers are responsible to hire those they think are suitable for the task, everything that happens after that is out of their control.

[Becky666]

129 users who were wearing a yobit signature and had at least 1 good report against them in the last 14 days are banned for 14 days. All yobit signatures are wiped. Signatures containing "yobit.net" are banned for 60 days.

Some people were talking about neg-trusting spammers for spamming. This is not appropriate; report the posts, and if that doesn't seem to be working well, come to Meta with specific examples and suggestions.

To those who voiced out their opinion during the days of Yobit.net, have done a great job in savaging the rapid spread of spam post between the participants on the forum. The sanctions|penalties are equally fair; for these spam Bees, who took to the street of spam to get paid.

Can now see the full picture of what Mr. BrainBose was saying on this thread. When the right time come for me to join the good wagon of campaign, i will definitely be more careful as what happen to Yobit.Net participant never happen to me likewise.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Also, these old, high-ranked accounts, are pretty much useless. Good (BTC) campaign managers always do due diligence before accepting someone to their signature campaigns.

That's why they all came in their numbers to join the yobit signature campaign that had no minimum merit requirements but what surprised me was how they all woke up simultaneously immediately after the yobit signature campaign was announced that's just to back up the claims that 50% of accounts on the forum are just alts. I'm very sure there was no email sent by Bitcointalk to its users informing them of the yobit campaign though yobit themselves did sent email but how did this accounts that were sleeping for months get the information if they're not alt accounts of active members of the forum?. That email sent by yobit couldn't have reached all of them. Maybe it's time theymos wipe all inactive accounts.

[Onuohakk]

They are so many disadvantages for promoting signature campaigns that encourages spamming and these disadvantages are felt by both the culprit and the forum.
But  users are so selfish they just want to gain rather than the welfare of the forum

[sheenshane]

That's why they all came in their numbers to join the yobit signature campaign that had no minimum merit requirements but what surprised me was how they all woke up simultaneously immediately after the yobit signature campaign was announced that's just to back up the claims that 50% of accounts on the forum are just alts. I'm very sure there was no email sent by Bitcointalk to its users informing them of the yobit campaign though yobit themselves did sent email but how did this accounts that were sleeping for months get the information if they're not alt accounts of active members of the forum?. That email sent by yobit couldn't have reached all of them. Maybe it's time theymos wipe all inactive accounts.

And now they are gone again and back to sleep, I think those who had joined the yobit signature campaign must observe their account. At the time I had encountered so many names of users that I'd never regularly seen here in the forum and I think they are completely alt account.

Campaign Manager rules of requirements in posting are very important to participants to avoid or lessen spamming. 20 post per day is quite too much and probably make a cause of spam to the greedy alt users who want to gain profit.
One thing that I like in having rules of posting like Hhampuz, he let us post everywhere on this forum to have exposure so there's no reason you can spam in the mega thread. I hope all of them.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

One thing that I like in having rules of posting like Hhampuz, he let us post everywhere on this forum to have exposure so there's no reason you can spam in the mega thread.

I don't think he's in charge of the choosing of boards were those interested in promoting the projects he's managing should posts. I say so because, if you look through the history of the campaigns he has managed you'll see some requirements in regrads to specific boards posts should be made in and boards or thread posts made in, will not count towards post counts. I think the projects themselves make the decision not campaign managers I might be wrong though.

[gentlemand]

I think the projects themselves make the decision not campaign managers I might be wrong though.

Indeed. It's totally down to the person actually paying. It would be an easy way to throw your money away if you're a gambling company whose posters only hang out in development and technical discussion.

I do find it strange how consistently they reject certain sections like off topic and politics and society, and it seems a shame more local boards aren't included, but I guess they know what works for them and what doesn't.

[Becky666]

I think the projects themselves make the decision not campaign managers I might be wrong though.

Indeed. It's totally down to the person actually paying. It would be an easy way to throw your money away if you're a gambling company whose posters only hang out in development and technical discussion.

I do find it strange how consistently they reject certain sections like off topic and politics and society, and the lack of action in local boards seems a shame, but I guess they know what works for them and what doesn't.

Certainly, the Employer make such decisions i presume, but these has make some sections of this forum more populated than others, like, Bitcoin discussion section, Altcoin Discussion section and Gambling|Gambling Discussion section of this forum. I think, it might be the cause of Merit sources Meriting a particular section of this forum based on his/her interest on that section, (i.e)For example, If i post in Bitcoin Section never expect Merit from me in Altcoin Section, Gambling|Gambling Discussion section, Beginners section, Off-Topic Section among others, lets encourage ourselves(as Merit Sources) to always visit other sections. 

[Harlot]

The problem I see here is that campaign managers from these kinds of campaigns tolerate them to do so, if they let their participants to be paid on their low quality posts it let's them see that the campaign manager is ok with that. If they are somehow strict on monitoring their post counts and post quality then the participants themselves will be forced to avoid spamming and spend more time thinking what they will be posting next. With this thing happen it only will lead to the participants spamming the forum just to receive the regular pay.

[tranthidung]

Time gap between posts is one of factor can maintain post quality. It's not always right, but it help to reduce spamming speed, and somehow might maintain post quality at a fixed level. When people don't hurry to spam (due to required time gap between posts), they might spend more time to brainstorm before posting.

[Mpamaegbu]

Time gap between posts is one of factor can maintain post quality. It's not always right, but it help to reduce spamming speed, and somehow might maintain post quality at a fixed level. When people don't hurry to spam (due to required time gap between posts), they might spend more time to brainstorm before posting.

This is what izanagi narukami does in the campaigns he manages (30mins gap) and I believe it's really helpful in putting post bursting and spamming at bar. This is even better than saying maximum of certain posts count daily because someone could do that daily count within an hour and be done for the day.

I do find it strange how consistently they reject certain sections like off topic and politics and society, and it seems a shame more local boards aren't included, but I guess they know what works for them and what doesn't.

It baffles me too as if those sections don't contribute to the development of this forum. This was why I hailed Darkstar in his decision to pick participants from the local board in his last selection for the Chipmixer campaign.

[tranthidung]

Amazing to know there is a manager applies time gaps between posts in order to count as countable posts. Burst posting is one of prohibited kinds of post in the forum. It is one of violations, and I am not sure, but if someone seriously violates it from time to time, it will be considered as spamming, and account might be nuked, in the worst case.

This is what izanagi narukami does in the campaigns he manages (30mins gap) and I believe it's really helpful in putting post bursting and spamming at bar. This is even better than saying maximum of certain posts count daily because someone could do that daily count within an hour and be done for the day.

[gentlemand]

Amazing to know there is a manager applies time gaps between posts in order to count as countable posts. Burst posting is one of prohibited kinds of post in the forum. It is one of violations, and I am not sure, but if someone seriously violates it from time to time, it will be considered as spamming, and account might be nuked, in the worst case.

I think it's fine in moderation. Sometimes you're on a roll. It's the people who knock out 20 posts in as many minutes that I find pretty incredible. There's no shortage of people watching out for piss takers and you're going to get shut down in no time at all. The real burst champs almost always read identically to each other too. It's rather eerie.

[aizzaku]

1. SC's aka signature campaigns make you feel greedy but if you just want to earn some money by doing something you always do, you can't turn into a spammer. Spammers spam even forums where they don't earn to post.

2. Merit is a personal choice of members and is not restricted to just high rank members. If any member finds your post worthy, they will merit it irrespective of the sig you carry. Not all members ignore users of a sig campaign.

3. If you are a spammer, you would be blacklisted even if you aren't a part of any campaign.

4. Scammers have no reputation while people don't give so much importance to spammers. If you are honest and don't promote a scam campaign, nothing can harm your reputation.

5. That's again dependent on if you spam and has nothing to do with any particular campaign.

6. This point doesn't even make sense 

I second what erikalui says here.


@OP:

But ofcourse there is no absolute in anything. There is also middle ground as in sometimes you just have few words to say and that is different.

For eg. in this post of mine, i am not really contributing anything honestly to this thread but i am writing just to put an opinion, would that mean i am spamming?

well, i am not even a part of any SC at the moment xD and apparently, most of the people who have posted in this thread are a part of an SC.

So, i think, maybe the managers ought to impose more strict rules leading to less spam.

and yeah i am no saint, i have done my share of sh*tposting back in the day but we all learn along the way isn't that right!

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

@OP:

But ofcourse there is no absolute in anything. There is also middle ground as in sometimes you just have few words to say and that is different.

That's fine by the system, infact I'm sure more users will welcome the idea of keeping your post simple & short as well as meaningful. You don't always have to write an eassy each time you intend replying to a thread unless when necessary. I don't have a problem with short reply but you should understand, off topic reply most time can be considered as spam especially when you're getting paid for that.

[nngella]

Below are some disadvantage;
[1]: Turns you into a spammer:
[2]: Reduces your chances of getting merited:
[3]: Gets you blacklisted by most reputed managers:
[4]: Ruin your reputation on forum:
[5]: Increase the possibility of getting banned:
[6]: Reduces potential improvements on crypto knowledge:

I think being part of signature campaigns will not automatically make you a spammer or anything related above.  Yet, I do agree on the fact that you will have a higher risk of experiencing one of the things mentioned above.

In order to prevent such risks, I always apply the following:

1. Join campaigns that are same with your advocacy

I mostly join campaigns related to innovation to protect the environment (because I am a nature-lover myself and I think that we really need to make a stand on this issue).  By joining a campaign that you are interested into, you will have the drive to engage with meaningful discussions with other member.

2. Join campaigns with flexible requirements and not strict ones

Some campaigns will require you to have a minimum number of posts and you need to post discussing a certain topic.  By having this type of campaign, you will run out of ideas and you will soon have spams because you just want to meet the requirements.  Better join campaigns with low minimum number of posts and no limitation to the topic that you want to discuss.

[tbct_mt2]

2. Join campaigns with flexible requirements and not strict ones
Some campaigns will require you to have a minimum number of posts and you need to post discussing a certain topic.  By having this type of campaign, you will run out of ideas and you will soon have spams because you just want to meet the requirements.  Better join campaigns with low minimum number of posts and no limitation to the topic that you want to discuss.

There are always required minimum posts per week, and accepted boards from campaigns. Because they pay their funds for campaigns, so they need to get some kind of effects, that in turn force them to require mininum posts per week and specific boards to get their expected effects. That is why gambling sites' campaigns ask for 5 (usually) post in Gambling per week to be paid. It is sure that applicants have to self-assess their ability and their available time to make posts to meed campaigns' requirements before applying. In addition, there are some paid-per-post campaign with very high maximum-post-count, that likely cause spamming. Like what occured with Yobit weeks ago. Personally, I don't join such campaign, and 10 to 15 posts per day look like acceptable figure. Good campaigns mostly reject to pay for burst-posts

[jademaxsuy]

But I have seen you OP applying for a fix rated bounty campaigns that pays BTC. In my own opinion being into a signature campaign doea not mean that it will make you a spammer and yes I agree with you that it has more risk than joining bounty campaign that only requires one to meet minimum requirements when posting in the forum for ads weekly to receive stakes.

However, it may seems that there are more users joining signature campaign that pays token than pays fix rated through btc. More spammers could be found altcoins,bounties altcoins section so this should be closely monitored by BM to put a stop or remove the user if a certain user spam.in the forum.