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April 26, 2019, 12:46:04 PM
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The Australian fraudster is suing the family of the late companion and replaced Ver as the main evil of the cryptocurrency world.
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This is Dave Kleiman. In 1986, he enlisted in the US Army, where he was recognized as a soldier of the year. Let’s agree that this is an exceptional success for a helicopter mechanic. All thanks to the technical talent of Dave and his responsible attitude to the service. Four years later, he was demobilized and started to work for the Palm Beach County police.

“Why the fuck are you doing this with such impressive experience?” Asked a colleague Kleiman, to whom he presented the first computer with games for his daughter. “I always dreamed about it. Since childhood I loved movies about cops,” answered Kleiman and at the same time, he studied programming languages.

They came in handy when, in 1995, he was in a wheelchair due to a motorcycle accident. Joe Swanson will be created much later, so Dave left the police service and began working in IT. There he started to earn some good money and has founded the corporation Computer Forensics LLC with his partners. But that was not the end of his troubles. In 2010, he was diagnosed with serious body lesions from methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus. And three years later, he was found in his house rotting with alcohol, excrements, and fire guns.

Kleiman’s friends say that he discussed with them everything except for one topic: cryptography that he became interested in at the turn of the millennium. On this basis, he became acquainted with the Australian businessman Craig S Wright. There’s a theory that Kleiman was the real Satoshi Nakamoto. And Wright knew it but took all the glory to himself. Unsuccessfully. And now he is fighting off Ira Kleiman in court. He accuses Craig of misappropriating his brother’s 1.1 million BTC. Lawyers for the defendant are trying to convince the court that Kleiman only helped Wright to edit the Bitcoin protocol and had no rights to it. And the only Satoshi is the brilliant Australian himself, the person who invented the multi-billion dollar industry and stuff.

But the defense has one small yet important blind spot: Craig cannot prove that he is Satoshi. And trying to fuck everyone up. But it doesn’t work. For example, Reddit users have discovered that this allegedly written on behalf of Kleiman letter was sent 2 years after his death and with a spelling error in the name of the deceased.



Why is the Kleiman case indicative for characterizing Wright as a person? Because he failed his businesses like DeMorgan and Hotwire. And then he met Dave and suddenly got to the roots of Bitcoin. That, in fact, is currently his primary asset. At the same time, he didn’t help Kleiman when he was dying of parasites, and now his lawyers also claim that he was nothing but Sancho Panza for Don Quixote.

 
Of course, when you have protection in the person of Calvin Ayre, the grandmaster of parties with coke, twerk, and children, you may think that you’re blessed personally by God.
https://twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1105762349397565440

 
But it’s not a reason to fight the Twitter community putting the bounty on the real personal data of your critic Hodlonaut, suing Vitalik Buterin, Adam Beck and other less promoted cryptocats, saying in every interview that BTC will soon cost 30K bucks, and he knows this for sure because he is the real Satoshi. Although, maybe Vitaly called him a complete psycho and for a good reason. Otherwise, it is difficult to understand 155 patent applications for cryptocurrency innovations for the 2 fucking years. And this is way more even than Elon Musk invented in one episode of “The Simpsons” 🙂

I don’t like that people on the hype train, like CZ, pick on Wright and delist BSV to trigger the growth of their tokens. But this guy deserved it. Most recently, Ver, with his drug cartels and Mt Gox background, looked like the biggest villain of the crypto world. However, Craig saved his main antipode just right now. He is so disgusting to everyone that you can blame him for all mortal sins: from the winter nosedive of BTC (this, by the way, is very likely) to the Notre-Dame de Paris fire.

 
Wright’s ostracism from the crypto crowd will be an excellent precedent for its future development. We are all like-minded people here, fighting for the progress and decentralization, against banks, bureaucracy, and corporations. And we can win only if we’ll go along the general course. Without scam, bullshitting, and sneaky people: those who are ditching friends and starting useless wars only to enrich themselves and satisfy their ego.

 

The place of Wright and Ayre is on the outskirts of history. Maybe they have BTC and mining power. But they don’t have the most important things: trust and respect. Rest in peace, Dave Kleiman. I sincerely hope that justice will prevail, the court will put down the lying bitch kangaroo in the name of your memory and family. Amen. 

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April 26, 2019, 03:24:28 PM
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Youre a great writer. I don't agree with you 100% of the time but I appreciate that you bring an original flair to the forum.

Also one minor correction: it's Adam Back, not Beck. Who coincidentally, I believe is a much more likely candidate for being satoshi than Wright or Kleiman.

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April 27, 2019, 10:12:48 PM
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There’s a theory that Kleiman was the real Satoshi Nakamoto. And Wright knew it but took all the glory to himself. Unsuccessfully. And now he is fighting off Ira Kleiman in court. He accuses Craig of misappropriating his brother’s 1.1 million BTC.
I have not followed the case closely, but this particular part does not make sense to me.

The BTC that was (most probably) mined by satoshi in BTC's early days is "untouched" as in has not moved since receiving the block rewards. In other words, satoshi's coins have not moved since they were mined.

The term "misappropriated" would imply the coins were moved to addresses whose private keys are exclusively controlled by CSW. If CSW does have access to the private keys, he would logically move the coins in case Kleiman's wife finds backups of the keys and moves the coins herself. CSW could also create a signed message to "prove" or at least provide strong circumstantial evidence that he is satoshi. To my knowledge, CSW has done neither.

Without either of Klieman's wife or CSW having access to the private keys, any court ruling will be generally worthless because the coins will remain inaccessible, and unencumberable.

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April 27, 2019, 10:30:29 PM
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There’s a theory that Kleiman was the real Satoshi Nakamoto. And Wright knew it but took all the glory to himself. Unsuccessfully. And now he is fighting off Ira Kleiman in court. He accuses Craig of misappropriating his brother’s 1.1 million BTC.
I have not followed the case closely, but this particular part does not make sense to me.

The BTC that was (most probably) mined by satoshi in BTC's early days is "untouched" as in has not moved since receiving the block rewards. In other words, satoshi's coins have not moved since they were mined.

The term "misappropriated" would imply the coins were moved to addresses whose private keys are exclusively controlled by CSW. If CSW does have access to the private keys, he would logically move the coins in case Kleiman's wife finds backups of the keys and moves the coins herself. CSW could also create a signed message to "prove" or at least provide strong circumstantial evidence that he is satoshi. To my knowledge, CSW has done neither.

Without either of Klieman's wife or CSW having access to the private keys, any court ruling will be generally worthless because the coins will remain inaccessible, and unencumberable.

Those BTC are not under dispute here, they mined many blocks after that. You can see some of the original addresses to see the blocks they mined in the court docs.

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April 29, 2019, 07:20:29 AM
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Craig has never been able to send BTC from the genesis block. Also I don't understand why he would have needed to hire a CEO of his new 'bitcoin compnay' like he stated in his letter. That logically doesn't make sense from a someone who if said to be satoshi clearly knows what decentralization means.
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April 29, 2019, 07:24:40 AM
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He had countless of chances to save his face. He never stepped back. There is only one explanation to his situation: He is a sociopath.

After his first time which he declared himself being satoshi, If he had stepped back, We would have laughed and forgotten everything about him. But no, he wanted to go all the way down.

He is either going to end up in Jail or in a mental hospital if he keeps going. I am not a lawyer but I believe going to a trial with forged documents is a serious crime.




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April 29, 2019, 10:33:28 AM
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He had countless of chances to save his face. He never stepped back. There is only one explanation to his situation: He is a sociopath.

After his first time which he declared himself being satoshi, If he had stepped back, We would have laughed and forgotten everything about him. But no, he wanted to go all the way down.

He is either going to end up in Jail or in a mental hospital if he keeps going. I am not a lawyer but I believe going to a trial with forged documents is a serious crime.

I agree that if Craig is a fraud he’s facing some SERIOUS penalty. Craig is only facing a cvil suit with the Klieman estate to recover the 1.1 million bitcoins (which cannot be recovered until 01/01/2020). Craig is now going after various trolls in court by which he plans to prove he is Satoshi for all the ‘alleged defamation’ he’s recieved.

Shouldn’t it be the other way around if your claims are true?

And why the hell was the bitcoin.org domain registered and paid for on Craig Wights credit card prior to the release of bitcoin?

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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April 29, 2019, 11:16:33 AM
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He had countless of chances to save his face. He never stepped back. There is only one explanation to his situation: He is a sociopath.

Bingo. In the past his critics said he was just under immense pressure from his financiers to keep up the illusion that he was Satoshi but his actions of late go one step beyond that.

I agree that if Craig is a fraud he’s facing some SERIOUS penalty.

Congratulations. This is the most common sense thing you've ever said.

Craig is only facing a cvil suit with the Klieman estate to recover the 1.1 million bitcoins (which cannot be recovered until 01/01/2020).

Ok you're taking a step backwards here in presuming the trust holding the bitcoins actually exists. As of now there is no evidence that it does.

And why the hell was the bitcoin.org domain registered and paid for on Craig Wights credit card prior to the release of bitcoin?[/i][/b]

This is part of the forged documents mindtrust was talking about. You've now completely slipped back into the baseless, zero credibility, zero respect for reality mode you got tagged for. Thats a shame. Just when I thought we were seeing some progress.

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April 29, 2019, 11:40:11 AM
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He had countless of chances to save his face. He never stepped back. There is only one explanation to his situation: He is a sociopath.

Bingo. In the past his critics said he was just under immense pressure from his financiers to keep up the illusion that he was Satoshi but his actions of late go one step beyond that.

I agree that if Craig is a fraud he’s facing some SERIOUS penalty.

Congratulations. This is the most common sense thing you've ever said.

Craig is only facing a cvil suit with the Klieman estate to recover the 1.1 million bitcoins (which cannot be recovered until 01/01/2020).

Ok you're taking a step backwards here in presuming the trust holding the bitcoins actually exists. As of now there is no evidence that it does.

And why the hell was the bitcoin.org domain registered and paid for on Craig Wights credit card prior to the release of bitcoin?[/i][/b]

This is part of the forged documents mindtrust was talking about. You've now completely slipped back into the baseless, zero credibility, zero respect for reality mode you got tagged for. Thats a shame. Just when I thought we were seeing some progress.

Banks are required to keep statement records for 25. Bank statements will be provided directly from the bank, NOT from Craig, and therefore not subject to forgery.

The domain information will be provided directly from the service provider, as will the VPN payment. The email will be revealed as well. None of these documents will be provided directly from Craig.

Sure, you can deny the trust exists. I guess both parties and the court system really wasted their time if that’s the verdict.

Worried about my trust rating? I am too. Bitcointalk users ‘Lauda’ and ‘gmaxwell’ have abused their superior powers in trust system to align their views with the ‘correct views.’ In no legal system in any jurisdiction do we have a definition for what Bitcoin is, they do not have the power to tell us what it is based on the rule of law.
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April 29, 2019, 01:59:28 PM
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This is what you're talking about right? So what in your mind does this prove? There's no dates, no names, no information about anything that would substantiate your or his claims. If you had more reasonable evidence you would have presented it.

Now we're going to play a game called "Stupid or Liar." In the game we guess whether you are just plain fucking stupid or a god damn liar. My money is on liar. The fact that you would think this image constitutes truth... Well I really hope you're a liar or else it means you are absofuckinglutely retarded.
 

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April 29, 2019, 02:22:04 PM
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This is what you're talking about right? So what in your mind does this prove? There's no dates, no names, no information about anything that would substantiate your or his claims. If you had more reasonable evidence you would have presented it.

Now we're going to play a game called "Stupid or Liar." In the game we guess whether you are just plain fucking stupid or a god damn liar. My money is on liar. The fact that you would think this image constitutes truth... Well I really hope you're a liar or else it means you are absofuckinglutely retarded.
 

Mate, name calling is not an argument.

Your court of ‘public opinion’ does not overrule a court of law in a commonwealth jurisdiction. That image does not constitute proof, that’s not proof whatsoever, but there is proof published on the internet that he made that claim. There is proof that that image exists. Now why would he incriminate himself so close to his date in court unless he was certain the proof existed? What would his motive be?

It’s craig who is sseeking remedies against McCormack, Vitalik, Hodlonaut etc. You must believe he’s bluffing pretty hard.

Let Craig have his day in court, it’s not up to me to present the proof, it’s up to Craig. Calling Craig a fraud now is simply ‘premature’ and against all legal precedent. If this backfires for you, you are liable for defamation. But if you truly believe your claims, just wait for Craig to fail. You’re no better than he is claiming that he is a fraud before he even attempts to verify his claim in a truly civilized precedented matter.

Sit back, relax, enjoy the show.

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April 29, 2019, 02:33:14 PM
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I was watching some of his presentations the other day on youtube and its easy to see why people are persuaded by this guy.  He does appear extremely intelligent and can be a charming person.

There is no doubt that Craig Wright was around during the early days of bitcoin, the truth is no one really knows if Dave was Satoshi or someone else was.  The early private keys may have been destroyed or lost so just because someone can't sign them doesn't mean a thing.
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April 29, 2019, 02:47:02 PM
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I was watching some of his presentations the other day on youtube and its easy to see why people are persuaded by this guy.  He does appear extremely intelligent and can be a charming person.

There is no doubt that Craig Wright was around during the early days of bitcoin, the truth is no one really knows if Dave was Satoshi or someone else was.  The early private keys may have been destroyed or lost so just because someone can't sign them doesn't mean a thing.

I'm not sure i agree with this, and the way you describe him as smart/intelligent. Sure he might be streetwise, but as far as i know he has commited 0 code to Bitcoin Core, and his Bitcoin SV is just a garbage copy paste.

Comparing him to some of the developers of core, it becomes painfully clear that he knows absolutely nothing compared to these guys. (Wuille, Todd, maxwell et al.), and is definitely not on the same level.

I'd love to be proven wrong, (not really), but has he ever commited any code?


This looks like an interesting read, https://github.com/vbuterin/cult-of-craig

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I was watching some of his presentations the other day on youtube and its easy to see why people are persuaded by this guy.  He does appear extremely intelligent and can be a charming person.

There is no doubt that Craig Wright was around during the early days of bitcoin, the truth is no one really knows if Dave was Satoshi or someone else was.  The early private keys may have been destroyed or lost so just because someone can't sign them doesn't mean a thing.

Craig is relatively scatter brained and very difficult to interpret. But the news surrounding him is really just unprecedented name calling and alternative facts in the court of public opinion from what seems like valid evidence.

Ex: when Satoshi said ‘I am NOT a lawyer’ on this form. Craig Wright wasn’t a lawyer until 2012 yet that information was not public. He is currently doing his doctorate in law at Leicester.

This place is toxic, full of bots with one liners to persuade the average human. Look at a YouTube video comment that says ‘Craig Wright is a fraud’ or ‘faketoshi.’ The account often belongs to some sort of bot, but then the ripple effect plays in when you flood all the content with those one liners and alternative facts, The average human just believes it without their own research.

That wave of actual retards who came in during the December 2017 bitcoin bull run literally just jumped ship on the ‘faketoshi bcash LoL’ train without any knowledge of the space.

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gmaxwell is an idiot that thinks high fees are a good thing. fuck that guy.

You can't prove that craig wright isn't satoshi either so fuck u haters.
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You can't prove that craig wright isn't satoshi either so fuck u haters.
it is nearly impossible to prove a negative when it comes to proving that someone is *not* a specific anonymous person who took steps to hide his identity.

You cannot prove that I am not satoshi either. I am not claiming to be satoshi.

There is a decent amount of evidence to suggest CSW is not satoshi, such as providing dubious evidence to prove he is satoshi which leads me to believe he is not satoshi. He could sign a message or a transaction from an address reasonably belonging to satoshi.

I don’t believe the whole “the coins are locked in a trust” story for a second. A competent trustee would require the coins be held in an address only the trustee controls to prevent being accused of misappropriating the coins if someone else moves them. The coins satoshi mined haven’t moved.  

If CSW wants to present credible evidence that he is satoshi, I will be more than willing to admit he is satoshi (I am willing to keep an open mind and consider additional evidence). I don’t think he will present such evidence.

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Mate, name calling is not an argument.

I'm not name calling so much as stating an observable fact. You are, without proof, claiming a known liar/hoaxer purchased the bitcoin.org domain before the release of bitcoin.

Let Craig have his day in court, it’s not up to me to present the proof, it’s up to Craig. Calling Craig a fraud now is simply ‘premature’ and against all legal precedent. If this backfires for you, you are liable for defamation. But if you truly believe your claims, just wait for Craig to fail. You’re no better than he is claiming that he is a fraud before he even attempts to verify his claim in a truly civilized precedented matter.

Craig Wright is a fraud. Hes proven himself to be a fraud on several occasions and this latest stunt is just another instance of fraud in a long string of con jobs. Craig is not Satoshi. After this long winded hoax is finally put to rest you will owe us all an apology for putting up with your insufferably misinformative dialog.

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Mate, name calling is not an argument.

I'm not name calling so much as stating an observable fact. You are, without proof, claiming a known liar/hoaxer purchased the bitcoin.org domain before the release of bitcoin.

Let Craig have his day in court, it’s not up to me to present the proof, it’s up to Craig. Calling Craig a fraud now is simply ‘premature’ and against all legal precedent. If this backfires for you, you are liable for defamation. But if you truly believe your claims, just wait for Craig to fail. You’re no better than he is claiming that he is a fraud before he even attempts to verify his claim in a truly civilized precedented matter.

Craig Wright is a fraud. Hes proven himself to be a fraud on several occasions and this latest stunt is just another instance of fraud in a long string of con jobs. Craig is not Satoshi. After this long winded hoax is finally put to rest you will owe us all an apology for putting up with your insufferably misinformative dialog.

If you are going to argue Craig Wright is a fraud, use This format:

Craig Wright is a fraud because________________ (insert supporting fact here).

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The evidence speaks for itself. Most notably was his editing of a blog entry to make it appear that he invented the term "cryptocurrency." If there was any sort of actual evidence that demonstrated Craig was responsible for inventing bitcoin he would have presented it by now. Instead he just fabricates evidence and gets caught every time he does it. There's no reason to believe hes suddenly going to produce actual proof after all this time of just producing lies.

Hes obviously motivated entirely by reasons of finance and ego, which renders him the exact opposite of what the actual Satoshi embodied.

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