I need some bitcoin theft victims support

[Anomrak]

I'm working on a proof of concept, studying the feasability and business opportunity of
helping bitcoin theft victims when the hacked service cannot refund the customers.

I'm trying several blockchain forensics tools and even if this first investigation
step is a great challenge, I'm affraid that legal challenges is perhaps bigger.

The legal challenges are:
- actions to force btc services (like exchanges) to disclose scammer/robber identity,
- actions to force btc services to block funds if the service hold somes,
- launching and following a lawsuit up to recover the lost funds.

For example, on MyBTGWallet scam, on investigations, I found evidences of BTC transactions up to exchanges
having KYC where it's possible to ask for the robber identity disclose if a legal action is made by one or several victims.
So now I need some bitcoin theft victims support to start a "disclose KYC request" to continue this proof of concept.

I'm writting this message to find victims interested in recovering their funds, on MyBTGWallet scam or on any
other scams of course. I will try to find enough evidences and check if it worth to continue to the legal steps.

If your interested in this initiative please leave an answer here or PM me
with a description of your loss (heist description, transaction id for the theft or amount lost and theft date)

As it's a proof of concept all comments are welcome.

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[okala]

It a nice move in the right direction to recovery of your found which have been stolen by scammer as hacker, but you must also take your time to verify the identity of the faces behind the kyc because even scammers can use another person documents to pass through kyc and at that hiding under the false identity to operate they scam.

[Haunebu]

Good attempt, but its going to be really tough to execute something so complicated. Many have tried and failed which is why I doubt whatever you are trying will work even if KYC is involved here.

Any scammer with a half decent brain would never give up their details through the KYC process.

[Reid]

Exchanges are like banks. They should abide by the rules that privacy will be intact until needed to be.

I know you are making a good initiative here but you may also spoil some crypto users to just be fools.
They should learn from their mistake and move on. Now, if it can be proved that what happened is not being wise or not then there will come legalities like what you want.

Can we also use this for exchanges? I mean not user to user but user to exchange.

[timmydakolo2]

No scammer will be so stupid to give away his details for a catch. We now have more wised scammers than before. Especially now many newbies I getting in the Crypto atmosphere newly and yet to understand how it works. This task is not an easy one as you think it will lead.

[Ailmand]

Even with KYC verification it's difficult to ensure that the real identity of the thief is used for the KYC procedure. No thief would reveal their true identity if their real purpose in the first place upon entering an exchange is to steal. It's easy for anyone to pass the KYC procedure without using their real identity.

[Bitinity]

The idea is good but I believe it needs so hard work to make it done successfully. The main problem is that it is not easy to reveal the real identity of the scammers even if the scammer use an exchanges where KYC is required but it does not mean that the scammer is using their real identity for the KYC unless the scammer is stupid enough to do such thing.
Hope you good luck in this idea, but I suggest do not force yourself to make it done as the result may not be as what you expect although you have done all the plan correctly.

[traderethereum]

It is hard to reveal who is that scammer because they can change their identity on every exchange.
They can buy a lot of data of the customer on darkweb because I heard that this data is sold in those places and people will easily to buy the data.
But if you are very serious with the project, then you need to have a plan to reveal the scammers, and you need to have access with the exchange, so you know who their customer that is suspected as the scammers is.
It needs time to reveal, and I am sure that you need teams who have a high-skills in revealing scammers.

[Genemind]

I could see that your goal and your purpose is genuine but we must know that scammers are smarter and tougher this time.
No criminal or scammer would expose his real identity just to pursue the data submission. They would also know where to get fake identifications to pass the Kyc.

[riritsurya1202]

It's easy for anyone to pass the KYC procedure without using their real identity.

It implied that exchange doesn't do their kyc properly. I wonder how many exchanges can fall in this criteria. Anyway, care to explain 'how easy it is to pass' KYC procedure if the exchange requires a live time video call?

[pushups44]

Yeah, having KYC documents from scammers is likely not going to work since these documents are now being sold in the black market. You can perhaps request stolen funds from exchanges to be frozen, I suppose. It would probably be a good idea to have a lawyer involved with such a business.

[aryadiningrat123]

A good effort to prevent bitcoin theft and bitcoin fraud is very common this year, and I also strongly agree with you because with Kyc, maybe bitcoin thieves will be easily tracked and easy to find out where they are, so I think this is a very good idea

[MakeMoneyBtc]

This definitely seems like a good idea but it will be very hard to apply what you said especially if you are alone. I think you need a team of 4-5 people and each of you take care of different things in order to try and prove a service is really scamming people. Besides that launching a lawsuit is not free and the chances are you are most likely not going to achieve anything out of that if you can't hire the best lawyers.

[SeW900]

It's a great thing that someone stood up in order to find or fight against scammers it's a unselfish work I may say and I'm happy because someone would like to sacrifice their time and effort in order to help the victim of scammers.

I've been scammed by project called GIZA device: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2567602.0 I would be happy if you could take a look at this project.

[jademaxsuy]

Gathering evidences will be so hard. We do not know whi really own the digital wallets and beside one can also use other identity unless if all the transactions to be done will undergone KYC. This will be an effective way to trace theft in bitcoins.

But, the challenge will really difficult for if one is not living in your country then justice system will not work on other  country.

[pey]

You can investigate such cases and provide all necessary documents for victims, then the rest is up to lawyers, you can work directly with them to provide a whole service to victims. I think because of challenges you mentioned, you should also partner with third parties.

[Anomrak]

It's a great thing that someone stood up in order to find or fight against scammers it's a unselfish work I may say and I'm happy because someone would like to sacrifice their time and effort in order to help the victim of scammers.

I've been scammed by project called GIZA device: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2567602.0 I would be happy if you could take a look at this project.

Thanks for the proposal, but for now I capitalized on BTC forensics tools only and ICO scams are on ETH. I forget to say in the first message that I'm looking for BTC theft victims.

By the way i didn't I look a messages in the link to provides and discover ICO Check https://github.com/ico-check/ a good link to know tor ICO investors. For BTC scam, you can have look to BitcoinAbuse also. https://www.bitcoinabuse.com/.

(the Proof of concept I'm working on is "after theft event" but preventive tools are even more important)

[Anomrak]

This definitely seems like a good idea but it will be very hard to apply what you said especially if you are alone. I think you need a team of 4-5 people and each of you take care of different things in order to try and prove a service is really scamming people. Besides that launching a lawsuit is not free and the chances are you are most likely not going to achieve anything out of that if you can't hire the best lawyers.

You're definitively right, I fill quite alone for now on this task. private investigators and blockchain aware lawyers can contact me if they are interested on this topic.

[Anomrak]

Yeah, having KYC documents from scammers is likely not going to work since these documents are now being sold in the black market. You can perhaps request stolen funds from exchanges to be frozen, I suppose. It would probably be a good idea to have a lawyer involved with such a business.

I agree  , with mixers and fake KYC there's only a few theft where investigation provides enough relevant information for a lawsuit and event the lawsuit have an international context (similar to counterfeit as said a lawyer I talked with) making harder the things. But i would like to try the proof of concept, and for now I need contacts with bitcoin theft victims.

[xvids]

Good attempt, but its going to be really tough to execute something so complicated. Many have tried and failed which is why I doubt whatever you are trying will work even if KYC is involved here.

Any scammer with a half decent brain would never give up their details through the KYC process.

True as you may have seen there is already a thread about Sending Fake ID .
So I think this would be useless not that it is helpful but your time would surely be a waste .
You could help others who are just newbie hackers but I also doubt it because no one that would do something illegal would really send their true personal info.