Bitcoin Forum
May 12, 2024, 05:27:32 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1] 2 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: A first person account of using Bitcoin in Venezuela  (Read 309 times)
James_CRYPTOSTAR.MONEY (OP)
Newbie
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 26
Merit: 2


View Profile
May 04, 2019, 08:39:57 AM
 #1

You might find this account of the problems facing people in Venezuela interesting. It shows the human cost of hyperinflation.

* https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-cant-fix-venezuela-i-should-know

(I first posted this on my blog)
1715534852
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715534852

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715534852
Reply with quote  #2

1715534852
Report to moderator
1715534852
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715534852

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715534852
Reply with quote  #2

1715534852
Report to moderator
1715534852
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1715534852

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1715534852
Reply with quote  #2

1715534852
Report to moderator
Bitcoin addresses contain a checksum, so it is very unlikely that mistyping an address will cause you to lose money.
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
DeathAngel
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3108
Merit: 1598


#1 VIP Crypto Casino


View Profile
May 04, 2019, 10:14:49 AM
 #2

Cool, I think I read previously that the cheapest place in the world to mine bitcoin (electricity costs) is Venezuela. I wouldn’t recommend it though, very dangerous & illegal there. Police are a law unto themselves.

.
.BITCASINO.. 
.
#1 VIP CRYPTO CASINO

▄██████████████▄
█▄████████████▄▀▄▄▄
█████████████████▄▄▄
█████▄▄▄▄▄▄██████████████▄
███████████████████████████████
████▀█████████████▄▄██████████
██████▀██████████████████████
████████████████▀██████▌████
███████████████▀▀▄█▄▀▀█████▀
███████████████████▀▀█████▀
 ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██████████████
          ▀▀▀████████
                ▀▀▀███

.
......PLAY......
rijaljun
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1274
Merit: 267



View Profile
May 04, 2019, 10:40:37 AM
 #3

My friend was talking about this possibility and I remain not to trust his opinion, now here everything I was really sure is just an assumptions and nothing have changed there. But, I think there are still positive impact for them even just a little.

█▀▀▀











█▄▄▄
.
1xBit.com  sports
▀▀▀█











▄▄▄█
███████████████████████████
████████▀▀       ▀▀████████
█████▀  ▄▄▄▀███▀▄▄▄  ▀█████
████  ▄█████▄ ▄█████▄  ████
███  █ █████▀ ▀█████ █  ███
██  ▄██ ▀▀▀▄███▄▀▀▀ ██▄  ██
██  █▀▄██ ███████ ██▄▀█  ██
██   █████ █████ █████   ██
███  █████▀▄▄▄▄▄▀█████  ███
████  ▀▄▄▄▀█████▀▄▄▄▀  ████
█████▄  ▀▀█ ███ █▀▀  ▄█████
████████▄▄       ▄▄████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████
▀▀       ▀▀████████
 ▄▄  ▀  ▄▄   ▀█████
 ▀    ▀█████▄  ████
   ▀█▄   ▀▀██▄  ███
 █▄  ▀██▄▄  ▀█▄  ██
  ▀█▄  ▀███▄  ▀  ██
█  ▀██▄  ▀███▄   ██
██  ▀███▄  ▀█▀  ███
███  ▀████▄    ████
 ▀▀█▄  ▀▀▀   ▄█████
▄▄       ▄▄████████
███████████████████
███████████████████
███▀▀         ▀▀███
▀   ▄▄██▄  ▀█▄  ▀██
 ▄████████▄  ▀█  ██
██████▄▀  ██▄    ██
████▄▀  ▄▀████▄  ██
██▄▀  ▄▀██████  ▄██
▄▀  ▄▀███████  ▄███
█▄▄▀███████▀  ▄████
▀████████▀  ▄██████
  ▀██▀▀   ▄████████
      ▄▄███████████
███████████████████
1mBTC
x 3 WINNERS
BET
MULTIPLIERS
█▀▀▀











█▄▄▄
.
▀▀▀█











▄▄▄█
Ailmand
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1274
Merit: 519


Coindragon.com 30% Cash Back


View Profile
May 04, 2019, 10:46:08 AM
Last edit: May 05, 2019, 03:40:12 PM by Ailmand
 #4

Quote
So let me, as someone who used bitcoin to survive in Venezuela, clear up the misconceptions: Bitcoin can’t fix the situation in Venezuela
.

Well, I think we, people who lives outside Venezuela think that bitcoin or crypto can solve the hyper inflation they are experiencing. It's really heart breaking how this message came from someone who really leaves and experience the economic situation find it hopeless for Venezuela to fight back hyper inflation with bitcoin as alternative, which most of us think. As we think it is as simple as that, for them it is really big since the one who posted this is someone who even works freelance in crypto and even left Venezuela and his family to get out of the crisis.

pey
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 546
Merit: 251


Free Crypto in Stake.com Telegram t.me/StakeCasino


View Profile
May 04, 2019, 10:51:19 AM
 #5

Yes it can't because that has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies. This ''crypto misconception'' is valid for all other countries experiencing similar economic conditions. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies can't solve any problem these countries have but can make them worse.

Haunebu
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 3052
Merit: 969


www.Crypto.Games: Multiple coins, multiple games


View Profile
May 04, 2019, 12:38:39 PM
 #6

Yes it can't because that has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies. This ''crypto misconception'' is valid for all other countries experiencing similar economic conditions. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies can't solve any problem these countries have but can make them worse.
I disagree. It is true that BTC is not some all powerful snap machine that can instantly solve all our problems, but it can help in certain situations(FIAT problems etc) and it cannot help in certain situations which is why we need to be realistic.

█████████████████████████
███████▄▄▀▀███▀▀▄▄███████
████████▄███▄████████
█████▄▄█▀▀███▀▀█▄▄█████
████▀▀██▀██████▀██▀▀████
████▄█████████████▄████
███████▀███████▀███████
████▀█████████████▀████
████▄▄██▄████▄██▄▄████
█████▀▀███▀▄████▀▀█████
████████▀███▀████████
███████▀▀▄▄███▄▄▀▀███████
█████████████████████████
.
 CRYPTOGAMES 
.
 Catch the winning spirit! 
█▄░▀███▌░▄
███▄░▀█░▐██▄
▀▀▀▀▀░░░▀▀▀▀▀
████▌░▐█████▀
████░░█████
███▌░▐███▀
███░░███
██▌░▐█▀
PROGRESSIVE
      JACKPOT      
██░░▄▄
▀▀░░████▄
▄▄▄▄██▀░░▄▄
░░░▀▀█░░▀██▄
███▄░░▀▄░█▀▀
█████░░█░░▄▄█
█████░░██████
█████░░█░░▀▀█
LOW HOUSE
         EDGE         
██▄
███░░░░░░░▄▄
█▀░░░░░░░████
█▄░░░░░░░░█▀
██▄░░░░░░▄█
███▄▄░░▄██▌
██████████
█████████▌
PREMIUM VIP
 MEMBERSHIP 
DICE   ROULETTE   BLACKJACK   KENO   MINESWEEPER   VIDEO POKER   PLINKO   SLOT   LOTTERY
xvids
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1176
Merit: 301



View Profile
May 05, 2019, 02:35:02 PM
Last edit: May 05, 2019, 02:56:16 PM by xvids
 #7

Yes it can't because that has nothing to do with cryptocurrencies. This ''crypto misconception'' is valid for all other countries experiencing similar economic conditions. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies can't solve any problem these countries have but can make them worse.
How could it make things worst?
It is a way to earn money so how could it possible make things worst?


I disagree. It is true that BTC is not some all powerful snap machine that can instantly solve all our problems, but it can help in certain situations(FIAT problems etc) and it cannot help in certain situations which is why we need to be realistic.
I also agree on this we assume that BTC could solve problems.
But we need to wake up from dreaming and start being realistic that not all of it could be solved by crypto.
This is the misconception of people in crypto they all think that crypto could fix everything,that crypto could make them instantly rich and wealthy.
The article is an eye opener that not everything could be fixed with crypto.

romero121
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3164
Merit: 1213


View Profile
May 05, 2019, 02:54:23 PM
 #8

Cool, I think I read previously that the cheapest place in the world to mine bitcoin (electricity costs) is Venezuela. I wouldn’t recommend it though, very dangerous & illegal there. Police are a law unto themselves.
In terms of electricity consumption it is cheap, but the prevailing political issues isn't supportive with any form of growth. People have begun to starve for food, the army has joined hands with the public against the government. By this time in whatever way possible the common people will be threatened. Even with the cheap electricity production it has shut down the electricity on cities which has caused more business to shut and move away towards other nations for living.
mk4
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2758
Merit: 3837


Paldo.io 🤖


View Profile
May 05, 2019, 03:19:59 PM
 #9

Quote from the article: So let me, as someone who used bitcoin to survive in Venezuela, clear up the misconceptions: Bitcoin can’t fix the situation in Venezuela."

Personally, I never actually saw bitcoin to be the sort of "saving grace" that would fix Venezuela. I think bitcoin is too young to have such an effect. I only saw bitcoin, on it's current state(price volatility, low adoption, etc), as a temporary solution to at least make their lives slightly better, by having something to earn, and something as a hedge against the hyper-inflated bolivares.

(I first posted this on my blog)
Wait, are you claiming that you're the one who wrote that article?

█▀▀▀











█▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
e
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
█████████████
████████████▄███
██▐███████▄█████▀
█████████▄████▀
███▐████▄███▀
████▐██████▀
█████▀█████
███████████▄
████████████▄
██▄█████▀█████▄
▄█████████▀█████▀
███████████▀██▀
████▀█████████
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
c.h.
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀█











▄▄▄█
▄██████▄▄▄
█████████████▄▄
███████████████
███████████████
███████████████
███████████████
███░░█████████
███▌▐█████████
█████████████
███████████▀
██████████▀
████████▀
▀██▀▀
Genemind
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1596
Merit: 335


View Profile
May 05, 2019, 03:51:30 PM
 #10

This will just imply that the misconception that most people have that bitcoin is one of the best solution to poverty and economic problem is true. It can be a temporary solution since it can provide people an opportunity to earn money for their daily expenses, but the problem it self(hyper inflation) cannot be solved by it.
traderethereum
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2870
Merit: 574


Seabet.io | Crypto-Casino


View Profile WWW
May 05, 2019, 04:31:11 PM
 #11

Bitcoin still too far to solve the financial problem in the country but it really helps personal financial because people can have a new solution to make money and if they can get more bitcoin and convert it into local fiat, I think they can buy their daily needs with that money.
Bitcoin itself still need to prepare for a new way to help every people in the country so they can get a better life.
Maybe in someday, when bitcoin is ready to be the next payment system in every country, bitcoin can solve the financial problem.
Until that time, I think every people could get bitcoin in many ways so they can survive in hard situations.

okala
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 980
Merit: 114


View Profile
May 05, 2019, 06:31:21 PM
 #12

My friend was talking about this possibility and I remain not to trust his opinion, now here everything I was really sure is just an assumptions and nothing have changed there. But, I think there are still positive impact for them even just a little.
Venezuela as a country is considered as one of the cryptocurrency friendly country and at the same time the cost of electricity in Venezuela is cheap at that it can be the best place for cryptocurrency mining but don't know about the ICT there that is another determining factor and also the law how the police operate and what is they mindset towards cryptocurrency.
Erickan
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 266
Merit: 18


View Profile
May 06, 2019, 01:46:41 AM
 #13

The crisis in Venezuela seems to have deepened and outsiders like us cannot imagine. Their government has not yet had any effective solutions to inflation. Politics of Venezuela has just happened the coup, it makes their country become a serious crisis. I think with the current Venezuelan situation, if without any government policy, bitcoin will not save a hyperinflation economy.
Yakamoto
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1218
Merit: 1007


View Profile
May 06, 2019, 02:23:15 AM
 #14

Cool, I think I read previously that the cheapest place in the world to mine bitcoin (electricity costs) is Venezuela. I wouldn’t recommend it though, very dangerous & illegal there. Police are a law unto themselves.
But that's what makes it fun! There's nothing better in life than annexing a small portion of a collapsing country and making use of the cheap resources while dodging the legal barriers that exist. All you need is something that allows for you to defend your area and you're good to go. Just get some buddies together and move all the mining equipment in, so long as the money keeps flowing I don't know if anyone is going to raise their eyebrows.

Of course, don't actually do this because it's probably illegal on multiple levels and breaking laws isn't cool. Stay in school, kids.

Bitcoin still too far to solve the financial problem in the country but it really helps personal financial because people can have a new solution to make money and if they can get more bitcoin and convert it into local fiat, I think they can buy their daily needs with that money.
Bitcoin itself still need to prepare for a new way to help every people in the country so they can get a better life.
Maybe in someday, when bitcoin is ready to be the next payment system in every country, bitcoin can solve the financial problem.
Until that time, I think every people could get bitcoin in many ways so they can survive in hard situations.
Considering that there are Venezuelans that are actively farming Runescape items and feeding their families (or just themselves) that way, I'm pretty sure that there would be a limited amount of activity they could have within the Bitcoin community. A lot of them might be able to actually make decent money through signature campaigns if they had anything but new accounts, but I assume that their options would be limited due to their lack of knowledge of English. They'd probably be the equivalent of kings there, considering that the Runescape revenue is marginal compared to their normal salary and the only saving grace is that their money comes in the form of USD as opposed to the Bolivar.
Alpinat
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 840
Merit: 252


View Profile
May 06, 2019, 07:42:08 AM
 #15

People in Venezuela needed time to grow more and involve themselves in bitcoin. I don't really think it will fix them but I do really believe that if they are ready to adopt bitcoin for sure it will be a very massive adoption to all of the people there.
Nadziratel
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1568
Merit: 321


★777Coin.com★ Fun BTC Casino!


View Profile
May 06, 2019, 09:58:43 AM
 #16

You might find this account of the problems facing people in Venezuela interesting. It shows the human cost of hyperinflation.

* https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-cant-fix-venezuela-i-should-know

(I first posted this on my blog)

I'm so sorry about what you've been through. We can only watch what's happening in Venezuela. There is nothing we can do.

But I think it's pointless to wait for crypto beings to save Venezuela. There are some structural problems in the country. First of all you have to do self-sufficient production and then produce something for global trade. But I think Venezula is a little out of this point. Cryptocurrencies may be the solution for many things, but you must first have an economic system. Venezuela is currently in an environment that does not work. I think that Venezuela can stand up again with common sense and some help. I hope, at least ...

Indamuck
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1120
Merit: 554



View Profile
May 06, 2019, 01:08:27 PM
 #17

Bitcoin won't magically clean up corrupt in their country or create more resources.  The impact bitcoin has had on Venezuela is very small, many people lack the technology to be able to use it.  Also the media is playing up the situation in Venezuela, its really not as bad as they portray it.
smartbitcoininvestor
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 652
Merit: 257



View Profile
May 06, 2019, 01:47:55 PM
 #18

Venezuela has been a great testing ground for the proliferation of Bitcoin. I think in times of turmoil, Bitcoin has risen to give the people power. In Venezuela, the people are empowered with the choice of being able to utilize Bitcoin.

There is a great documentary on Bitcoin in Argentina found here.
dothebeats
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3640
Merit: 1353


Cashback 15%


View Profile
May 06, 2019, 01:57:01 PM
 #19

The article echoes what I have in mind: bitcoin alone cannot change the fact that Venezuela is already in a worst state that cannot be fixed with remedies and temporary solutions. You have the police who can confiscate your coins and you have an ill-functioning government who saves you from nothing. What the country needs is a complete restructuring of their government and put the work unto themselves to start rebuilding all over again. Bitcoin is just a bubble gum tapped into a blown tire, not an entirely new tire that is durable enough to endure yet another journey into this sorry world.

.
.HUGE.
▄██████████▄▄
▄█████████████████▄
▄█████████████████████▄
▄███████████████████████▄
▄█████████████████████████▄
███████▌██▌▐██▐██▐████▄███
████▐██▐████▌██▌██▌██▌██
█████▀███▀███▀▐██▐██▐█████

▀█████████████████████████▀

▀███████████████████████▀

▀█████████████████████▀

▀█████████████████▀

▀██████████▀▀
█▀▀▀▀











█▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
.
CASINSPORTSBOOK
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀█











▄▄▄▄█
CryptoBry
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1008
Merit: 355



View Profile
May 06, 2019, 02:35:19 PM
 #20



I myself is not looking at Bitcoin as the be-all and end-all solution to many financial and economic ails that baffled humanity since time immemorial. What is clear is that Bitcoin can be useful in many ways. The problems that exploded in Venezuela are all complex and most of those problems started decades ago. We should be looking at it like the lens of an aid that can be helping in one way or another but will never solve the problems as they are rooted deep and wide. What here in Venezuela we can see how cryptocurrency can be utilized and can help people survive.
Pages: [1] 2 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!