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May 07, 2019, 02:54:40 PM |
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I'm of the opinion that we need to have more restrictions on the DT1 and DT2 qualifications. If there were merit requirements for being listed on either that seems like it could help the situation, and possibly reduce the ability of a lynch mob from hijacking the system.
I would like to suggest that DT1 members must have a minimum of 100 earned merit. That wouldn't change the the DT1 landscape too much, and only restrict a few users who are currently listed.
The other suggestion I'd like to make is that to be listed on DT2 you must have a minimum of two votes from DT1 members (LoyceV's suggestion,) and a minimum 10 earned merit.
I'm not trying to make the DT system less inclusive, or more centralized. Adding these restrictions will make it harder for people to get on the DT list, but that's not a bad thing. Ensuring that the folks who make it to DT are constructive, contributory members who care about the forum will help keep the DT system functional and pertinent.
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May 09, 2019, 03:31:13 AM |
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Sorry, that took me longer than expected.
I have to say thank you to you for your hard works as usual. I visited your post there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5140318.msg50936358#msg50936358And found that 94 DT2 members (from #283 to #376, out of 376 in your list) have not earned a single merit so far. Those users equal to exactly 25%, that is a significant proportion, that should be considered. . di 376-283+1 94
. di 94/376*100 25
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LoyceV (OP)
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May 11, 2019, 07:20:37 AM |
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I've updated the first 4 posts in this topic, overwriting the old list. I won't keep historic changes by adding more lists weekly (I have my Trust list viewer for that). ChangesLast week - 3 banned DT2 members
- 95 DT2 members without any earned Merit.
- 376 DT2 members in total
Now - 1 banned DT1 member
- 5 banned DT2 members
- 94 DT2 members without any earned Merit.
- 376 DT2 members in total (unchanged)
Small bug: banned DT1-members also show up in the DT2-list.
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May 11, 2019, 07:41:39 AM |
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1 banned DT1 member
Is this the first time DT1 member banned in the forum? I have not seen Ban Appeal from lovesmayfamilis. It is abnormal but somehow shows that every one almost being treated fairly in the forum. Anyway, it is interesting to see how the case of DT1 banned member will be solved, and this ban's reasons.
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May 11, 2019, 07:47:05 AM |
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Is this the first time DT1 member banned in the forum? I can't tell, but it's the first one I've seen. If he stays banned, he'll drop out of DT1 on the next update. Until then, he could be excluded by other DT1s, but will still keep his existing voting rights for other DT1s.
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May 11, 2019, 04:08:58 PM |
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Is this the first time DT1 member banned in the forum? I can't tell, but it's the first one I've seen. If he stays banned, he'll drop out of DT1 on the next update. Until then, he could be excluded by other DT1s, but will still keep his existing voting rights for other DT1s. Can a banned member still change their Trust setting? Also, can a banned member still leave trust comments? Can they delete their trust comments?
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May 11, 2019, 04:41:04 PM |
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Is this the first time DT1 member banned in the forum? I can't tell, but it's the first one I've seen. If he stays banned, he'll drop out of DT1 on the next update. Until then, he could be excluded by other DT1s, but will still keep his existing voting rights for other DT1s. Can a banned member still change their Trust setting? Also, can a banned member still leave trust comments? Can they delete their trust comments? They cannot leave trust comments. I am not sure about the other two. There is an argument a banned person (especially who is permabanned) should not have their votes counted for DT, and a separate argument that they should be excluded from DT2 (being excluded from DT1 will happen on its own). This is similar to how someone who does something bad enough that their freedom is taken away, also looses the right to vote.
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LoyceV (OP)
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May 11, 2019, 05:09:22 PM |
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There is an argument a banned person (especially who is permabanned) should not have their votes counted for DT, and a separate argument that they should be excluded from DT2 (being excluded from DT1 will happen on its own). I guess this wasn't much of a problem when not many users had a custom Trust list, but considering the number of banned users with a custom Trust list (currently 206 users) is going up, it should at some point be dealt with. DT2 shouldn't be much of a problem, if the ratings are good they can stay, if they're bad DT1 should exclude the user. This is similar to how someone who does something bad enough that their freedom is taken away, also looses the right to vote. This varies per country. Where I live criminals can vote (and probably get elected too).
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May 11, 2019, 05:17:11 PM |
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There is an argument a banned person (especially who is permabanned) should not have their votes counted for DT, and a separate argument that they should be excluded from DT2 (being excluded from DT1 will happen on its own). I guess this wasn't much of a problem when not many users had a custom Trust list, but considering the number of banned users with a custom Trust list (currently 206 users) is going up, it should at some point be dealt with. DT2 shouldn't be much of a problem, if the ratings are good they can stay, if they're bad DT1 should exclude the user. The issue is a bigger in regards to DT voting. A banned user will currently have their votes counted indefinitely, even though they are prevented from otherwise participating in the forum. There are two recently banned users who each have close to two of the "250 merit" votes (it is not unreasonable to expect they will each receive a total of 500 merit in the future) for DT voting.
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May 11, 2019, 05:22:20 PM |
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Ok so let's get to the meat of it: Why was lovesmayfamilies banned? Maybe they were rushed onto DT1 too quickly but they were great at what they did.
Edit: ok saw the meta thread. Hope he gets an unban even if no longer eligible for DT1.
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May 11, 2019, 05:29:10 PM |
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Why was lovesmayfamilies banned? plagiarismMaybe they were rushed onto DT1 too quickly but they were great at what they did.
I had never heard of him before today (that I can remember), but I don't think any amount of contribution is an excuse to cause harm without any kind of punishment. Edit: ok saw the meta thread. Hope he gets an unban even if no longer eligible for DT1.
I don't see any reason why he would be ineligible for DT1 if he was unbanned from the forum.
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May 11, 2019, 05:29:40 PM |
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Ok so let's get to the meat of it: Why was lovesmayfamilies banned? Maybe they were rushed onto DT1 too quickly but they were great at what they did.
It is pretty much clear, there was an old Plagraized post as stated here. But yaa, there work to protect the community is worth considering. Some users were surely against a person like him getting in DT1 so quickly, but I don't think it is realted to the permanent ban anyway. I hope the ban is uplifted soon by considering there overall contribution.
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May 18, 2019, 03:21:34 PM |
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OP updated Given that you have reformatted the list of DT2s in your opening few posts to be ordered by User ID, you probably want to remove my quote explaining the old order.
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June 11, 2019, 06:37:42 AM |
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Stuff like this shows how the quality of the system is gradually going down. Wait, I'm not in that list anymore.
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June 11, 2019, 06:51:03 AM |
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Stuff like this shows how the quality of the system is gradually going down. Wait, I'm not in that list anymore. Hopefully that will stop certain people from creating new threads every day and filling them with random accusations and lies.
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June 11, 2019, 07:09:49 AM |
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Stuff like this shows how the quality of the system is gradually going down. Check his Trust list history: week 19, 20 and 21. It's the result of a "local board election": What's interesting, is that many users on this list included several of the same users. EFS for instance now has 9 new inclusions, but since he only has 2 inclusions on his own Trust list, he can't be elected for DT1. Note: EFS is a Staff member and had many inclusions already. This seems to be based on Türk lokal forumu için DT üyeleri seçiyoruz (Google Translate: "We choose DT members for the Turkish local forum"). I didn't expect a "local election" to pop up on my list of newly created Trust lists Note that this is exactly how the system is intended to work, so this (alone) shouldn't be a reason to start excluding users.
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