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May 08, 2019, 07:37:45 PM
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I know this question was raised before but I want to try to add some new details.

I think trust ratings should be visible on all boards for these reasons.

A) Most scammers promote their scam on their signature. Consequently any of their posts is potentially dangerous if their tag isn't visible.
B) Many scammers create threads and directly or indirectly promote their "business" under misleading topics on boards where trust ratings don't show up. On some local boards this is very frequent because there are less boards. Many scammers use translated ads to promote their scams on local boards.
C) Plagiarism is a form of exploration of other people's work for personal gain that deserves to be qualified as a scam that can be exploited on any board.
D) On the local boards, trust isn't active on many commercial/scam relevant boards:
On the English board trust is active in all alt coins boards, because they are easily promoted on any topics and are a typical scam domain. But on many local boards trust isn't active in alt coins boards. Example: Indonesian, German, French, Croatian, Korean, Italian, Portuguese, Greek, Turkish. It's active on the Indian or Polish.
Even the Spanish and Turkish Market boards, the Italian scam board or the German Project development don't have trust visible.
On the English board trust is active in the mining board, but not on many similar local boards: German, Indonesian, French, Romanian.

Just my two cents.




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May 08, 2019, 08:50:19 PM
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I think trust ratings should be visible on all boards for these reasons.

Firstly before I reply to your suggestions, I just want to inform you not to rely on the forum when it comes to tackling scam related activities. The forum doesn't moderate scam.

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For A,B & D,

Safeguarding yourself from scam related activities should be your priority don't ever think it's that of the forum.

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C) Plagiarism is a form of exploration of other people's work for personal gain that deserves to be qualified as a scam that can be exploited on any board.

It already has a punishment which involves banning the culprits, leaving red trust isn't necessary. Just report with valid evidence to moderators. Trust system should be used for issue relating to trades especially when it has to do with the negative feedbacks

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May 08, 2019, 09:16:34 PM
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It may not be visible but you have to review the profile of OP before you believe on him, i think this is common and there’s no need for you to believe if there’s any suspicious about the OP. Some scammers are not in the forum, so it is your way now to detect it and stay yourself away from that. Don’t depend too much on the forum, do your part when it comes to your money.

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May 08, 2019, 09:17:21 PM
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This feature is coming (along with showing if a user is banned/inactive or on DT) in the next version of the BPIP EXtension.  Smiley

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May 08, 2019, 11:43:44 PM
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This feature is coming (along with showing if a user is banned/inactive or on DT) in the next version of the BPIP EXtension.  Smiley

Good to know feature like this will be implemented soon and I guess it will help scam related issues at the least.

Fairly, I guess it is not the unavailability of the trust that needs to be seen but if you are an investor, want to know the project or the person you should investigate further if it has some red flags and other info that are not worthy to trust for. I believe this should be your first step but making all trust ratings visible on all boards is a fine idea to lessen scams on the forum.

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May 09, 2019, 01:05:35 AM
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Well, this would be a good idea. Every users idea is needed to create better decision making for the admin. As I have thought also that having a red trust in all boards are ideal. This because scamming is not only happening in the same sections. It could be done also in other sections where some trust rating is not directly visible.

Some cases of which scammer could do will just pm one user directly after knowing that a certain user is a prospect to be scam. And since red trust is not visible so one can get scam if one user is not also careful in doing transaction.

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May 09, 2019, 02:14:45 AM
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Plagiarism is not in itself a crime, but can constitute copyright infringement. In academia and industry, it is a serious ethical offense.
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Plagiarism is not defined or punished by law, but rather by institutions (including professional associations, educational institutions, and commercial entities, such as publishing companies).
C) Plagiarism is a form of exploration of other people's work for personal gain that deserves to be qualified as a scam that can be exploited on any board.
you need to differentiate plagiarism from scam, they have somewhat different intentions
scamming is a crime while committing plagiarism is an ethical offense

I think trust ratings should be visible on all boards for these reasons.
do you really need trust ratings when replying in Off-topic, Politics & Society and etc
I think currently they are already visible on all appopriate forums, which we need mainly in Marketplace
if you insist need to see them everywhere, wait for the next version of the BPIP EXtension just like Vod said

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May 09, 2019, 10:29:17 AM
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I will not say that OP made this post for hunt merit but this topic has been discussed multiple time and OP doesn't add any new point. Although I believe trust should be visible all section expect like off topic but I don't think this thread will help about this issue. Better option is use search button before make post and add your point if you have anything if there is any related topic. For example you could add your thoughts on this thread instead of create new thread. Meta board become full just creating multiple similar thread. So try to use search button.

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Theymos is almost certainly not going to do this because feedback isn't relevant to most discussions. What makes you think someone with positive trust isn't going to scam you also? People rely far too much on whether people have green or red feedback already and treat it like it's either a death sentence or a mark of ultimate trustability when it's not. If red feedback is shown everywhere then people would just use that to discredit certain peoples posts when it's probably not relevant.

I know this question was raised before but I want to try to add some new details.

I think trust ratings should be visible on all boards for these reasons.

A) Most scammers promote their scam on their signature. Consequently any of their posts is potentially dangerous if their tag isn't visible.

Then check their feedback before you do business with anyone. We can't be responsible for babysitting everyone.

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May 09, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
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I like to think of trust ratings as a note rather than a guideline. Far too many people are looking at trust scores and thinking that the person is definitely a scammer or definitely trustworthy. To be completely honest I would trust some of the most highly rated trust scores on this forum. The trust system implemented is subjective and is abused right left and centre. We might joke about the ring leaders of the trust system but it is true. Some of them really believe they're untouchable and have gotten away with things that other people with lesser status wouldn't have. I don't even consider trusted feedback most of the time and only take a look at negative ratings to see if there's any legitimate claims. Any negative feedback left with no reference is skipped.
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I just want to inform you not to rely on the forum when it comes to tackling scam related activities. The forum doesn't moderate scam.

Safeguarding yourself from scam related activities should be your priority don't ever think it's that of the forum.
Shouldn't the forum be a part of a solution with an easy measure? Your words can be read as intending to see the trust system as irrelevant or unnecessary.

It already has a punishment which involves banning the culprits, leaving red trust isn't necessary. Just report with valid evidence to moderators. Trust system should be used for issue relating to trades especially when it has to do with the negative feedbacks
Trust ratings have been used also against plagiarists. On cases of partial plagiarism an automatic ban can be too harsh.

you need to differentiate plagiarism from scam, they have somewhat different intentions
scamming is a crime while committing plagiarism is an ethical offense

https://www.checkforplagiarism.net/plagiarism-law
"university rules for student conduct sometimes say that plagiarism is an academic offense, not a legal offense. That statement is not correct."
"Plagiarism is fraud."
There are several countries where plagiarism is a crime.

OP doesn't add any new point.
I searched but didn't find that thread. But it has about 8 months and I raised different points.

Then check their feedback before you do business with anyone. We can't be responsible for babysitting everyone.
The goal of the trust system is to be a part of the solution. It isn't perfect but it's what we have. Why not use it to the full extent?

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May 27, 2019, 02:13:34 AM
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Just as an example, I don't know if the accusations are well founded, this Exchange has two pending scam accusations:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088254.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5109812.0

And some negative feedback https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=252173

However, they still post their announces on more than a local board free of any tag to warn potential victims.
German
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5130668.0
Spanish
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125188.0


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