Re: Venezuela Trump re-elect split

[tvbcof]

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Florida in 2020. without Florida Trump has ZERO percent chance of being re-elected!

If the 'Democrats' run another unelectable (e.g., a geriatric Zionist kiddie-groper with lots of open-source footage showing him going to town) then Trump (Donald or Ivanka) cannot lose.

I predict that the 'Democrats' will do exactly that;  run another unelectable.  There is no difference in the 'wants' of the so-called Democrats and so-called Republicans, and they want a Talmudic puppet for the next act.  It's a stage show people.

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[nutildah]

Also the fact that you think this is all to drum up votes in what is already setting up to be a LANDSLIDE for him

Based on what evidence?

I wish the dems wouldn't run Biden against Trump but all available polls show an easy victory for Biden in 2020 if that should be the case. You don't have to believe the polls but you should at least demonstrate some rationale behind your opinions if you want to chastise others so viciously for their own.

[tvbcof]

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I wish the dems wouldn't run Biden against Trump but all available polls show an easy victory for Biden in 2020 if that should be the case.
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Would those be the same polls which confidently predicted a Hilary win?

[TECSHARE]

his is 100% a political ploy to get the Venezuelan vote for Trump (Rubio gets the tangential benefit of it as well) in 2020 in Florida.

Is Florida a key state when it comes to votes?

Trump CAN NOT win re-election without winning Florida. Trump barely won Florida in 2016 (won by ~1%) he is doing all he can to shore up Florida.  This entire Venezuela thing is designed to help Trump in Florida 2020.

Now you are just repeating yourself muppet.

Also the fact that you think this is all to drum up votes in what is already setting up to be a LANDSLIDE for him

Based on what evidence?

I wish the dems wouldn't run Biden against Trump but all available polls show an easy victory for Biden in 2020 if that should be the case. You don't have to believe the polls but you should at least demonstrate some rationale behind your opinions if you want to chastise others so viciously for their own.

Hahaha not a chance in hell Biden wins. I don't really care if you believe me you are a moron who wouldn't be convinced if Donald Trump himself held you down and tea bagged you while waving an American flag around. My rational is that all of the Democrat contenders are worthless, as is the Democrat party itself. They are too busy running on the platform of "orange man bad" to have any actual policies, and the policies they do have are from lunatic Socialists that no one wants or trusts. People are TIRED OF THEIR SHIT. Trump's approval ratings are steadily climbing. In short Trump is going to stomp a new mudhole in any Democrat contender in spite of your fantasies otherwise.

[Naida_BR]

Also the fact that you think this is all to drum up votes in what is already setting up to be a LANDSLIDE for him

Based on what evidence?

I wish the dems wouldn't run Biden against Trump but all available polls show an easy victory for Biden in 2020 if that should be the case. You don't have to believe the polls but you should at least demonstrate some rationale behind your opinions if you want to chastise others so viciously for their own.

Biden was not the best candidate for the presidency. The democrats should have chosen a stronger candidate to challenge Trump.

[yeosaga]

Also the fact that you think this is all to drum up votes in what is already setting up to be a LANDSLIDE for him

Based on what evidence?

I wish the dems wouldn't run Biden against Trump but all available polls show an easy victory for Biden in 2020 if that should be the case. You don't have to believe the polls but you should at least demonstrate some rationale behind your opinions if you want to chastise others so viciously for their own.

Biden was not the best candidate for the presidency. The democrats should have chosen a stronger candidate to challenge Trump.

Watch them put Obama as his running mate to make it Biden Obama again.

[nutildah]

Also the fact that you think this is all to drum up votes in what is already setting up to be a LANDSLIDE for him

Based on what evidence?

I wish the dems wouldn't run Biden against Trump but all available polls show an easy victory for Biden in 2020 if that should be the case. You don't have to believe the polls but you should at least demonstrate some rationale behind your opinions if you want to chastise others so viciously for their own.

Biden was not the best candidate for the presidency. The democrats should have chosen a stronger candidate to challenge Trump.

Agreed. But it's still early, anything can happen. If during the debates Biden demonstrates himself to be clearly unelectable the DNC will have no choice but to back Bernie... Or, one of the other candidates, though the chances of anyone superseding Bernie are extremely low.

Its gotta be Bernie with Tulsi as VP. That's a combination that will invigorate sidelined dems.

Yeah this convo has nothing to do with Venezuela anymore I don't blame FH for splitting it.

[davis196]

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Florida in 2020. without Florida Trump has ZERO percent chance of being re-elected!

If the 'Democrats' run another unelectable (e.g., a geriatric Zionist kiddie-groper with lots of open-source footage showing him going to town) then Trump (Donald or Ivanka) cannot lose.

I predict that the 'Democrats' will do exactly that;  run another unelectable.  There is no difference in the 'wants' of the so-called Democrats and so-called Republicans, and they want a Talmudic puppet for the next act.  It's a stage show people.

So you say that Hillary was a "zionist kiddie-groper"?I think that she is more like a leftist,liberal,feminist kiddie groper,and most likely the next presidential candidate foe the democrats.They simply can't leave the Clinton dynasty.And why do you mention Florida?

[tvbcof]

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Florida in 2020. without Florida Trump has ZERO percent chance of being re-elected!

If the 'Democrats' run another unelectable (e.g., a geriatric Zionist kiddie-groper with lots of open-source footage showing him going to town) then Trump (Donald or Ivanka) cannot lose.

I predict that the 'Democrats' will do exactly that;  run another unelectable.  There is no difference in the 'wants' of the so-called Democrats and so-called Republicans, and they want a Talmudic puppet for the next act.  It's a stage show people.

So you say that Hillary was a "zionist kiddie-groper"?I think that she is more like a leftist,liberal,feminist kiddie groper,and most likely the next presidential candidate foe the democrats.They simply can't leave the Clinton dynasty.And why do you mention Florida?

No, Joe Biden is.  He's documented as being three days older than dirt.  He's documented as pronouncing himself to be a Zionist.  He's abundantly documented as groping the shit out of little kids.

Again, if the Democrats select Joe Biden, it is pretty much proof positive that they are trying to give Trump another term.  Just like when the Republicans selected John McCain to give Obama another term.  It's part of the deal, and most of the 'elite' will be overjoyed with Trump's services to them thus far.

Edit:  McCain, Romney, etc.  Same idea.  One fake party got 8 years with Bush-II, the other gets 8 years with Obama, etc, etc.  The unelectable they run would be acceptable to the power structure just in case, and that fact alone tends to contribute to the candidates unelectability (e.g., H. Clinton) but the plan is to get a chosen one elected, and the plan has not gone awry since I've been alive as best I can tell.  Bush-I's 4 year stint was probably to offset Carter's abbreviated time in the figurehead position.

[Vishnu.Reang]

2016 would have been a cakewalk for the Democrats, had they conducted the primaries honestly. Sanders would have won the primaries and he could have won the POTUS elections by a landslide. But the establishment Dems had other ideas and they rigged the votes so that Hillary could win. And in the end, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Trump.

[nutildah]

2016 would have been a cakewalk for the Democrats, had they conducted the primaries honestly. Sanders would have won the primaries and he could have won the POTUS elections by a landslide. But the establishment Dems had other ideas and they rigged the votes so that Hillary could win. And in the end, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Trump.

I'm inclined to agree with you, however we don't know that either outcome would have happened for certain. Things can only unfold 1 way in this universe and that's the way they unfolded.

What we do know is that Bernie is way less hated than Hillary. This is evidenced by the lack of a "Never Bernie" movement. This is what leads me to believe he would have easily beaten Trump as Trumps "win" (he lost the popular vote by the largest number of voters ever for an elected president) was more of a statement of how much people disliked Hillary rather than how much they liked Trump.

[Quickseller]

2016 would have been a cakewalk for the Democrats, had they conducted the primaries honestly. Sanders would have won the primaries and he could have won the POTUS elections by a landslide. But the establishment Dems had other ideas and they rigged the votes so that Hillary could win. And in the end, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Trump.

Assuming Sanders won the primaries, he would have lost the presidency by a landslide -- he is much too far to the left to be reasonably electable. This is also true for the majority of candidates running in 2020, their policies are way outside of the mainstream, and will only win the very solid left states.

The unfair 2016 primaries caused many Sanders supporters to either stay home or support Trump out of spite in 2016. Had the primaries been fair and Clinton won the primary fairly, her chances in the general election would have been much better. 

[mayo2u]

Also the fact that you think this is all to drum up votes in what is already setting up to be a LANDSLIDE for him

Based on what evidence?

I wish the dems wouldn't run Biden against Trump but all available polls show an easy victory for Biden in 2020 if that should be the case. You don't have to believe the polls but you should at least demonstrate some rationale behind your opinions if you want to chastise others so viciously for their own.

What makes you think he's going to lose. Look at the states. It's pretty clear that Trump will win Ohio (a swing state that's turning red). I don't see the Democrats holding Virginia. That means that Trump needs to win two of the following

Wisconsin
Michigan
Pennsylvania

or

Florida


I think Wisconsin and Michigan are probably Trump states. I also think that Trump has a very good chance of winning Nevada and a decent chance of flipping Minnesota

[Spendulus]

What we do know is that Bernie is way less hated than Hillary. This is evidenced by the lack of a "Never Bernie" movement. This is what leads me to believe he would have easily beaten Trump as Trumps "win" (he lost the popular vote by the largest number of voters ever for an elected president) was more of a statement of how much people disliked Hillary rather than how much they liked Trump.

I think it's more that nobody cared enough or thought it was important enough to have a "never Bernie" movement. Like the guy's nothing but a washed up old hippie revomiting same old lies of lots of free stuff.

[Daniel91]

2016 would have been a cakewalk for the Democrats, had they conducted the primaries honestly. Sanders would have won the primaries and he could have won the POTUS elections by a landslide. But the establishment Dems had other ideas and they rigged the votes so that Hillary could win. And in the end, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Trump.

This is also my thinking.
It was clear from the very beginning that voters were tired of old and well-off politicians and they were looking for something new.
Trump positioned as an alternative to political establishment and Sanders also offered something new and fresh on the democratic side.
Clinton for the most voters was a corrupt part of the political elite so she lost possibility for victory, specially after an affair with emails.
With Sanders, it would be a completely different story, of course.
Unfortunately, the Democrats have not recognized the moment and have been working against Sanders since the beginning and for this reason they lost the presidential election.

[Vishnu.Reang]

2016 would have been a cakewalk for the Democrats, had they conducted the primaries honestly. Sanders would have won the primaries and he could have won the POTUS elections by a landslide. But the establishment Dems had other ideas and they rigged the votes so that Hillary could win. And in the end, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise for Trump.

Assuming Sanders won the primaries, he would have lost the presidency by a landslide -- he is much too far to the left to be reasonably electable. This is also true for the majority of candidates running in 2020, their policies are way outside of the mainstream, and will only win the very solid left states.

The unfair 2016 primaries caused many Sanders supporters to either stay home or support Trump out of spite in 2016. Had the primaries been fair and Clinton won the primary fairly, her chances in the general election would have been much better. 

I can't agree with your argument. Sanders may be far-left, but all of the opinion polls had him leading over Trump by double digits. And most importantly, Sanders was much more popular than Hillary in the rust-belt and the other swing states. On the other hand, Hillary derived most of her support from the deep blue states such as California and NY.

And that is the reason why Hillary lost, although she got more votes. Her support came from the deep blue states, which were always solid Dem. She needed to win states such as Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Ohio.