Ban evasion - rchstr

[DireWolfM14]

User rchstr appears to be an alt of banned user basesaw.

https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=basesaw

Name: rchstr
Profile link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=913514
Post count: 724
Rank:  Sr Member
Bitcoin address: 3F4CJdWLVGYV19Rc1n7kA16mHSrZyBWSdf

http://archive.fo/vgJxA#selection-6901.17-6901.51

hello lenny, i want to reserve france and switzerland.

bitcoin wallet : 3F4CJdWLVGYV19Rc1n7kA16mHSrZyBWSdf
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[S_Therapist]

Either report to moderator or post here- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5094661.msg49118921#msg49118921

[asche]

Tagged him in the meantime.

[S_Therapist]

Tagged him in the meantime.

Tagged are so worthless these days and don't serve its purpose just because people are using it so randomly.

[asche]

Tagged him in the meantime.

Tagged are so worthless these days and don't serve its purpose just because people are using it so randomly.

And you are bringing this debate here because?

Couldn't care less about what you think about it, the only way for it to work is everyone using it like they believe it should be. Trust "voting" will take care of the rest.

If people disagree with you, it's not a bad thing

[S_Therapist]

Tagged him in the meantime.

Tagged are so worthless these days and don't serve its purpose just because people are using it so randomly.

And you are bringing this debate here because?

There's no mean of tagging a member for ban evasion. Report, moderator will handle it.

[asche]

There's no mean of tagging a member for ban evasion. Report, moderator will handle it.

Again, couldn't care less about your opinion and/or misguided advice.

[DireWolfM14]

Tagged him in the meantime.

Tagged are so worthless these days and don't serve its purpose just because people are using it so randomly.

And you are bringing this debate here because?

Couldn't care less about what you think about it, the only way for it to work is everyone using it like they believe it should be. Trust "voting" will take care of the rest.

If people disagree with you, it's not a bad thing

Tags are not worthless, unless you tag the user that's already banned, then it's kinda worthless lol.

[khaled0111]

There's no mean of tagging a member for ban evasion. Report, moderator will handle it.

A member evading his ban shoudn't be trusted. Tagging him serves to warn other members to avoid dealing with him until mods take act and ban him.

[asche]

Why do you guys even indulge him?

This is really not the place to argue about this with him for the zillionst time.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

@S_Therapist, It's the same as tagging an account for being an alt for someone who has committed an offense in the past that is gravely against the forum rules. I don't seen why tagging a ban evader would be any different.

It's like avoiding to tag chaps who spread malware around thinking that the report you have made to the mods will work and get them nuked. Sometimes they don't get nuked. I can even send you classical link of a malware scammer whose post has never been deleted to this date, and yet I did the reporting.

Why do you guys even indulge him?

Just trying to drive the point home from a different perspective  

[Findingnemo]

@S_Therapist, It's the same as tagging an account for being an alt for someone who has committed an offense in the past that is gravely against the forum rules. I don't seen why tagging a ban evader would be any different.

It's like avoiding to tag chaps who spread malware around thinking that the report you have made to the mods will work and get them nuked. Sometimes they don't get nuked. I can even send you classical link of a malware scammer whose post has never been deleted to this date, and yet I did the reporting.

I am not here to support anyone but I don't see any offence which worth red tag from the banned account so how can we give a red tag to the alt of the same person,remember having an alt is not against the rule,only abusing bounties with alts deserves red tag.

Ban evader needs to be reported and will be handled by moderators when they found enough proof on the report,

DTs are not moderators.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

so how can we give a red tag to the alt of the same person, remember having an alt is not against the rule,only abusing bounties with alts deserves red tag.

Having alts is very much allowed but under these circumstances. Someone is evading ban... It's against the forum rules and so members ought to know which kind of person they are dealing with before that person finally gets banned.

DTs are not moderators.

Correct... but they also carry responsibility to safe guard community members.

[Crypto_Sassy]

Tagged him in the meantime.

Tagged are so worthless these days and don't serve its purpose just because people are using it so randomly.

I see these worthless tag reduce the activity of one of the most active poster to almost to zero.

It is funny to see the people change in behavior.

[Findingnemo]

so how can we give a red tag to the alt of the same person, remember having an alt is not against the rule,only abusing bounties with alts deserves red tag.

Having alts is very much allowed but under these circumstances. Someone is evading ban... It's against the forum rules and so members ought to know which kind of person they are dealing with before that person finally gets banned.

DTs are not moderators.

Correct... but they also carry responsibility to safe guard community members.

So theymos have to replace all the moderators as DT and give permission to tag those ban evaders.

Ban evasion is actually against the forum rule but DT members were here to warn the forum people from the scammers not from who did plagiarism and got banned for that.

[asche]

Ban evader needs to be reported and will be handled by moderators when they found enough proof on the report,

Second time I feel like putting the word stupid in the subject...

Mods & DT's are doing something fundamentaly different.

DT's are warning the community that the person might not be trustworthy.
Moderators are here to enforce forum rules.

Ban evasion is a breach of forum rules. It also means said account is owned by a person that has been banned. The fact he broke the rule and came back shows he can't be trusted, hence the tag. This doesn't mean the mods don't have to do their work tho.

While you are right that they need to be reported, which I did, they also need to get tagged so that they can't do any harm until the report is handled.


If you see a little girl get strangled in the street by a teenager, will you take a picture and go to the police to get the to arrest the guy, or will you save the girls life? Your call.
Anyway, putting you in ~. Your judgement is way off in my opinion.

[LoyceV]

@S_Therapist, It's the same as tagging an account for being an alt for someone who has committed an offense in the past that is gravely against the forum rules. I don't seen why tagging a ban evader would be any different.

Ban evasion should be dealt with by Mods, as it breaks forum rules. Tags shouldn't be used to enforce forum rules.

Scams aren't moderated, that's why a scammer's alt should be tagged.

Anyway, putting you in ~. Your judgement is way off in my opinion.

Is my judgement off too? I thought this is something most DTs more or less agreed upon.
However, this is a green trusted user, it doesn't hurt to at least "neutralize" that until he's banned.

Update: this tag says basesaw is an alt of basesaw

[asche]

LoyceV did you even read why I still tag the user?
I wouldn't be tagging every forum rules breach.

This is merely to attract attention to the fact that he was someone else. If someone was to deal with him he could look at the person's doing on the other account.

Also a person that has been proven evading ban could be tempted to use his last days on the forum to do harm. The tag is merely trying to mitigate that.

As for your judgement I do not think it is off. It is not the first time I thing nemo's judgement is.

Also as you pointed out, the fact the user had 2 positive feedback was taken into consideration. I do not tag every ban evader I find. In fact there are some I do not even report if I am being honest.

[DireWolfM14]

However, this is a green trusted user, it doesn't hurt to at least "neutralize" that until he's banned.

That was my thinking.  rchstr did ask for a loan, and if he's evading a ban that would be very risky for any lender.  I figured a tag was more than appropriate in this situation.

@asche, now I feel bad for pulling you into this.  I didn't mean to start a debate as to the appropriateness of tagging a ban-evader.

[asche]

@asche, now I feel bad for pulling you into this.  I didn't mean to start a debate as to the appropriateness of tagging a ban-evader.

Don't. I'm my own man.

I assessed the situation and reacted how I saw fit. The important point here, is that nobody get's hurt. Let's jsut hope this is the case.

As you pointed it out, if we prevented that loan from happening, it was worth it.