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May 13, 2019, 10:15:58 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.

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May 13, 2019, 11:23:24 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.


BTC according to you, is capitalism. But why would a supporter of capitalism (economic decisions not run by a central authority) be opposed to democracy or a representative government?
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May 14, 2019, 12:11:36 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.


BTC according to you, is capitalism. But why would a supporter of capitalism (economic decisions not run by a central authority) be opposed to democracy or a representative government?

why isnt then the democracy the controler of money? and why isnt the supporter of btc not supporting the capitalism of the democracy then but the one of btc?

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May 14, 2019, 01:25:27 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.


BTC according to you, is capitalism. But why would a supporter of capitalism (economic decisions not run by a central authority) be opposed to democracy or a representative government?

why isnt then the democracy the controler of money? and why isnt the supporter of btc not supporting the capitalism of the democracy then but the one of btc?

First, I suppose, we should define democracy.  Mob rule isn't something I value. The mob is fickle and violent. I prefer a constitutional republic with limitations upon what the government may or may not do.

Democracy is a term best applied to government decisions. It does not apply, in the same way, to economic decisions.  I don't have a vote in what you do with your money.  Meaning that we (you, I and others) don't get together and decide what we will spend our money on - say going out to restaurants or buying a larger house - and our group decisions don't force the minority to accept the majority will.

So the adoption of BTC is a personal choice - not a democratic choice. BTC is capitalistic because there isn't a central government running the show. But this doesn't mean that democracy (constitutional republic) and capitalism are at odds.
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May 14, 2019, 02:14:27 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.


BTC according to you, is capitalism. But why would a supporter of capitalism (economic decisions not run by a central authority) be opposed to democracy or a representative government?

why isnt then the democracy the controler of money? and why isnt the supporter of btc not supporting the capitalism of the democracy then but the one of btc?

First, I suppose, we should define democracy.  Mob rule isn't something I value. The mob is fickle and violent. I prefer a constitutional republic with limitations upon what the government may or may not do.

Democracy is a term best applied to government decisions. It does not apply, in the same way, to economic decisions.  I don't have a vote in what you do with your money.  Meaning that we (you, I and others) don't get together and decide what we will spend our money on - say going out to restaurants or buying a larger house - and our group decisions don't force the minority to accept the majority will.

So the adoption of BTC is a personal choice - not a democratic choice. BTC is capitalistic because there isn't a central government running the show. But this doesn't mean that democracy (constitutional republic) and capitalism are at odds.

contitution is worthless crap compared with the moneteray control of a nation, give me the controll of the financial system of a society and i dont care who makes its laws

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May 14, 2019, 07:27:34 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.

It seems that you mix pies and apples here.
Democracy is a form of political arrangement and means the rule of the people.
Capitalism is a form of economy and bitcoin is crypto currency.
There is no such thing like european democracy and where did you find info that Feance wants to leave Europe or european democracy?
Nobody control bitcoin, everything is decentralized. 



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May 14, 2019, 08:54:39 AM
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The point about democracy and capitalism is already explained above. I just want to add that capitalism may work in authoritarian countries (like Singapore) and democratical countries can have socialistic economical policy. Even marxists say that their perfect community should be a proletarian democracy. Democracy and capitalism are not the same things.
bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.
Bitcoin is controlled by:
1. Miners.
2. Holders.

We should remember that Bitcoin is still the same money that we are using. So some people and organizations control much more currency than the other community. From this point of view we can hardly say that Bitcoin is controlled by individuals.
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May 14, 2019, 08:03:55 PM
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If anything, Bitcoin resembles capitalism, Anarcho-capitalism. If it was a democracy, everyone could vote for changes, but Bitcoin can only be changed by those who have invested in it, more by those that invested more, in mining, nodes, etc. And its fully private, No State.

States, especially those advocating socialism, want control. Everything must be owned, and regulated by the State. This goes in the opposite direction of democracy, AND anarchism. Sure an anarchist state could have people voting, direct democracy style on every single tiny issue, but this is unscalable, so the best they can do is adopt a more classic liberal posture where the law isn't that specific to the point to regulate your life (as socialism does) but within the law you are free.

The socialist mind goes against individual freedom. Everything must be regulated to the minute detail. Among other things, they "insist" the free market economy is at fault and must be replaced by... their rules. Thousands of rules, which are destined to be disobeyed, because humans are humans and policing everyone becomes unscalable as well. You will get corruption, and crime, LOTS of it, no matter how eastern Germany police state you become (and that's a perfect example of its failure).

If it makes you happy, you don't have to talk about democracy. A republic with democratic institutions is good enough. You think a republic with socialists institutions should be good as well, but there you are wrong, VERY wrong.

Democracy and Socialism are antagonistic. A group forces their rules onto another. You replace a Monarch with a Party or great Leader, and it results in the same thing or even worse. "Ah, if everyone becomes socialist" not going to happen, ever. It goes against human nature. People want the free stuff, but they don't want the rules that are supposed to make possible to get the free stuff...

Capitalist "greed" and individualism tend to keep thing self regulated, at least much better than a bunch of bureaucrats planning things in the center of a nation, unable to comprehend the realities of the last village at a given time at the same time on a given (ever changing) situation.

And yes socialism = centralization. If you don't have state ownership of the means of production, you are unfit to use the word socialism. Maybe you wan't welfare or something, but it still involves the State enforcing rules unto others.

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May 14, 2019, 10:11:52 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.

It seems that you mix pies and apples here.
Democracy is a form of political arrangement and means the rule of the people.
Capitalism is a form of economy and bitcoin is crypto currency.
There is no such thing like european democracy and where did you find info that Feance wants to leave Europe or european democracy?
Nobody control bitcoin, everything is decentralized. 
eu has elections and a parliament,
since when is uk or france a democracy? its just a fake democracy rule there is being executed by the central bank

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May 14, 2019, 10:12:49 PM
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The point about democracy and capitalism is already explained above. I just want to add that capitalism may work in authoritarian countries (like Singapore) and democratical countries can have socialistic economical policy. Even marxists say that their perfect community should be a proletarian democracy. Democracy and capitalism are not the same things.
bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.
Bitcoin is controlled by:
1. Miners.
2. Holders.

We should remember that Bitcoin is still the same money that we are using. So some people and organizations control much more currency than the other community. From this point of view we can hardly say that Bitcoin is controlled by individuals.

no who is constantly advertiseing a decentralised currency not in the hand by a banking cartel and not in the hand of a parliament that controlls that banking cartel?

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May 14, 2019, 10:42:34 PM
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the problem in the european financial system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSjdHYYAsAc
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May 15, 2019, 01:45:06 AM
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Capitalism and democracy are destined to split because capitalism can't exist if the workers are allowed to vote.    In the past, they could not afford to let slaves vote and now their greatest fear is that migrants will be able to move into our country and vote themselves fair pay instead of just working low wage jobs at home.     

Democracy is not 1 dollar=1 vote but 1 person = 1 vote.   
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May 15, 2019, 08:22:47 AM
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Daniel91 is right , why would you even compare an economic system to a government arrangement or system. A democratic country can have capitalistic approach towards their economy.

Bitcoin on the other hand is obviously a capitalistic approach of economic system based on its definition.
Allowing individuals full control over their assets and crypto is a very good example of it

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May 15, 2019, 03:18:56 PM
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Too long video to watch. read the truncated transcript.

I guess he titled his video wrong, he actually want to say that "communism"  need strong political system that is not possible in democracy.

I guess example of France and UK are your own imagination.

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May 15, 2019, 06:54:07 PM
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Capitalism and democracy are destined to split because capitalism can't exist if the workers are allowed to vote.    In the past, they could not afford to let slaves vote and now their greatest fear is that migrants will be able to move into our country and vote themselves fair pay instead of just working low wage jobs at home.     

Democracy is not 1 dollar=1 vote but 1 person = 1 vote.   

democracy only works if the population also wants to work and is not old lazy and wants the politicians to work

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Democracy has "worked" if the will of the people is realized. Period.  Democracy "working" has nothing to do with how you define success.  If the consequences of the people's poor choices are realized, democracy has "worked" even if those consequences are economic peril. 

Authoritarians claim to know whats best for the people and use their power to protect people from their own "bad" decisions. 
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May 16, 2019, 02:55:48 AM
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Democracy has "worked" if the will of the people is realized. Period.  Democracy "working" has nothing to do with how you define success.  If the consequences of the people's poor choices are realized, democracy has "worked" even if those consequences are economic peril. 

Authoritarians claim to know whats best for the people and use their power to protect people from their own "bad" decisions. 

democracy is just a fake the rulers sit in the central bank, the democracy is just a tool to keep the masses asleep

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May 16, 2019, 09:26:04 AM
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Democracy is dead the moment that is does not have a workable system, and saying capitalism operate along democracy make it hard for the two to blend, capitalism is an economic system which have to run within a system of government and democracy is that system but seeing the way democracy is losing in operations.
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May 16, 2019, 06:24:35 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.

Bitcoin is not capitalism and I wonder why you say that.
The ecosystem that Bitcoin creates is where everyone is equal and everything is accessible to all counterparts. I can't see how you connect those two factors, they are not correlated at all.

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May 16, 2019, 11:05:38 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXVEnxtZe_w

proof:

uk left european democracy

france wants to leave european democracy

bitcoin and crypto are controlled by private individuals, that run that cryptocurrency index.

democracy and capitalism are split.

Bitcoin is not capitalism and I wonder why you say that.
The ecosystem that Bitcoin creates is where everyone is equal and everything is accessible to all counterparts. I can't see how you connect those two factors, they are not correlated at all.

thats not true,

capitalism is always when there is asymetry no egalitarianism. the bitcoin system basically overthrown itself over other systems, like the us dollar or chinese yuan.

but most deciding for capitalism is the reinforced attentionhack.

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