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May 22, 2019, 07:47:32 AM
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Capitalism is just socialism for rich people. Normally on regular socialistic countries people have free education and free healthcare and so forth and that I can understand, you pay a premium tax just to get everything free in your country and that is why governments ask for your taxes, otherwise we would live in a capitalist world where there is absolutely no taxes at all and where companies own the roads the hospitals the schools and everything costs something so no need for taxes at all.

Moreover, in countries like USA people still pay taxes whereas all the roads and schools and hospitals all cost money, so where is that tax goes to? Well, it goes to help the rich and give tax breaks to them and help them keep getting richer, that is why capitalism is just socialism for the rich.
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May 30, 2019, 04:01:40 PM
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One way or another, violence is the ultimate guarantor of the elites' power.  Mao: "political power comes from the barrel of the gun."  Paul Krugman: "the dollar is backed by men with guns."
I agree completely. No popular elite has ever risen to power without leaving a trail of bodies in the background in my opinion. Non-violence rarely helps the powerful people achieve their goals(Mahatma Gandhi's Non-Cooperation movement etc).

It is true that the West uses a significantly lesser degree of violence in support of the elites power.  Gandhi was a rare case of success because his movement was so overwhelmingly popular that it would have required openly draconian measures to put down.

What I try to show in the OP, though, is not the degree of oppression, which is less in the West, but the fundamental nature of oppressive society, which is the same all over the world.  In the West, the public is educated and smart enough, that it's impossible for the elites to be openly oppressive.  But since money and finance are at the center of everything, and money and finance are oppressive, there is no fundamental difference.

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