Are bitcoin whales complete morons?

[Questat]

Maybe that wasn't a "whale" ? I mean I know we call everyone who has a lot of money a whale these days but in real world people call rich people who usually keep making a lot of money whales. So for example, in casino world, if someone comes into your casino and plays 10 million dollar bet that night and leaves and comes back next month to do the same all because they are just having fun there that means they are literally whales, they don't care about that money.

Now this person who did all the selling and dropping the price could be an early bird, does he have a lot of money? Sure, does that mean he is a whale? Not in the sense I just talked about, that person is rich but he just got lucky, he is not like wall street CEO rich who keeps getting millions of dollars no matter what.

A whale just refers specifically to the amount of bitcoin they own.  Some are smart and shrewd some are dumb and lucky but either way they are whales

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bitcoin-whale.asp

Thanks for the clarification, but in the minds of the people, whales are usually smart, and those who are moving the market are smart whales since they can take advantage of their power by manipulating the price for their own interest.
If I am a whale, I would be alright to be called as dumb whale as long as I have the money to sell and satisfy my financial needs.
My satisfaction level is too low, I'll be happy with 1000 BTC, 

[STT]

What about the futures market for Bitcoin, there must be some immense players on there who are willing to take out giant bets on the price falling because crypto is so alien to them and in their opinion worth nothing at all hence no risk to sell off massive amounts.     If we have leveraged players like that available it means they must rush to place the contract into the real exchange, perhaps placing it immediately is less dangerous to them then doing so carefully over a long time period

LOL wish I were such a moron whale holding 5-digits worth of BTC that allow me to manipulate the price at my will

The more you have, the more there is to lose in being wrong.   I'm not sure I want that worry every time I go through the day or try to sleep knowing I bet BTC to go down so much.     I think crypto will defeat the whales eventually so long as its used by and is useful to the people around the world.   Global natural holding and use of BTC will create bigger waves then even a giant whale can swallow

[Pattart]

Hi

I saw todays dip and then read that a whale von Bitstamp sold about 3600 coins at once and tanked the price down to 6200 for a short period of time. Now it stabilized at around 7200 USD.

Why do these people do this? Are they just morons?

If they would sell their coins within a period of 3-4 days they could probably get close to 8000 USD for every single BTC ...

Pump ... Dump ... buy back lower
Buy Low Sell High

Yes they are morons  



What you are saying i be greedy. All traders know that greed kills.
These whales probably made their whole year in this run.

Thats how market works Buddy! when they sell high prices with tons of bitcoin, then many people will panic and sell. prices fell then whales returned to re-buy, tell me where was the stupidity you saw? they are smarter than we imagine, sometimes it's hard to guess what their plans are. if we know what they are planning, maybe we can avoid losses and profits at the right time.

[Yamifoud]

Hi

I saw todays dip and then read that a whale von Bitstamp sold about 3600 coins at once and tanked the price down to 6200 for a short period of time. Now it stabilized at around 7200 USD.

Why do these people do this? Are they just morons?

If they would sell their coins within a period of 3-4 days they could probably get close to 8000 USD for every single BTC ...

Pump ... Dump ... buy back lower
Buy Low Sell High

Yes they are morons  



What you are saying i be greedy. All traders know that greed kills.
These whales probably made their whole year in this run.

Thats how market works Buddy! when they sell high prices with tons of bitcoin, then many people will panic and sell. prices fell then whales returned to re-buy, tell me where was the stupidity you saw? they are smarter than we imagine, sometimes it's hard to guess what their plans are. if we know what they are planning, maybe we can avoid losses and profits at the right time.

They are smarter than us and they can manipulate the market if they want to.  Whales have that strategies and even more effective with side, they'll wanting more panic sellers cause they are the one who are greatly benefiting for this.  If we don't have trust with the market,  will simply near into becoming one of the panic seller.

[klaaas]

They are smarter than us and they can manipulate the market if they want to.  Whales have that strategies and even more effective with side, they'll wanting more panic sellers cause they are the one who are greatly benefiting for this.

Where more and more whales flow into the market they get competition as well and cant manipulate that easily anymore where they got different entries and exit points against each other.

[Indrawan77]

Whales are not stupid, their calculations are better than us, there are various reason why they sell the coin, maybe they already got the profit and maybe they hope they can create a panic sell and could buy cheaper again, its impossible the whales will sell that huge amount without any good calculation

[Kelvinid]

Whales are not stupid, their calculations are better than us, there are various reason why they sell the coin, maybe they already got the profit and maybe they hope they can create a panic sell and could buy cheaper again, its impossible the whales will sell that huge amount without any good calculation

They know what they are doing and they also know their capability. Though manipulation will get hard for them but trying to attract panic sellers and get benefits from them. They played the market well and I'm not thinking that they are stupid also, in fact, they use this market to improve their lives and take advantage over panic sellers.

[wheelz1200]

What about the futures market for Bitcoin, there must be some immense players on there who are willing to take out giant bets on the price falling because crypto is so alien to them and in their opinion worth nothing at all hence no risk to sell off massive amounts.     If we have leveraged players like that available it means they must rush to place the contract into the real exchange, perhaps placing it immediately is less dangerous to them then doing so carefully over a long time period

LOL wish I were such a moron whale holding 5-digits worth of BTC that allow me to manipulate the price at my will

The more you have, the more there is to lose in being wrong.   I'm not sure I want that worry every time I go through the day or try to sleep knowing I bet BTC to go down so much.     I think crypto will defeat the whales eventually so long as its used by and is useful to the people around the world.   Global natural holding and use of BTC will create bigger waves then even a giant whale can swallow

The more you have actually I think the less you would care about the fluctuations.  Its definately I worry I think I would embrace 

[Jating]

I wouldn't categorically say that they are morons.

But they know what they're doing here. They know how to play the market and the emotions of investors, specially those who are very young at this market.

They can sell at whatever price they want and then probably buy more when the price dips. So if you don't know how to ride the waves then surely you will get drown and let a expensive lessons.

[1Referee]

If you bought like 5000BTC below $4000, how much of a moron are you if you can sell each coin for an average price of $6800?

Most of the people people would laugh in your face if you told them that the price would go over $6000 this soon. Morons are those who sell their coins below the price they bought them at. Making millions in profits in a fairly short period of time makes you a trader I would respect a lot. No hodl bs, just straight rational thinking and thus profit taking. 

[wheelz1200]

If you bought like 5000BTC below $4000, how much of a moron are you if you can sell each coin for an average price of $6800?

Most of the people people would laugh in your face if you told them that the price would go over $6000 this soon. Morons are those who sell their coins below the price they bought them at. Making millions in profits in a fairly short period of time makes you a trader I would respect a lot. No hodl bs, just straight rational thinking and thus profit taking. 

It wasnt that they are selling but the way it was sold.  If they slow rolled their sells they would stand to make a lot more than the way they mass dumped into market buys clearing the book on the way down. 

[1Referee]

If they slow rolled their sells they would stand to make a lot more than the way they mass dumped into market buys clearing the book on the way down. 

I get your point, but slow rolling as you call it, may result in another whale to tank the price down, and then what? You missed out big time. It's literally eat or get eaten here, especially with how the price wasn't able to hold up much longer around the $8000 level. The slippage as result of thin orderbooks is quite insane in crypto, so it's not that uncommon that whales will use an inflated price to cash out.

Currently we're yet again attempting to break through the same resistance, so it's going to be interesting to see if we will again face a massive dump.

[exstasie]

Some whales are definitely morons, there’s no doubt, at least when it comes to markets.

It’s impossible to know though if they’re just dumping into a thin book and unintentionally accumulating slippage, or if this guy was actually trying to move the market.

If this guy was just dumping coins for fiat, he’s an idiot, because it would likely be impossible to rebuy lower again with any certainty. But If he was positioned on Bitmex to profit from the mass long liquidations, it’s a different story. This may have been a way to sell thousands of coins to fiat while simultaneously recouping them with shorts on Bitmex.

[BitHodler]

But If he was positioned on Bitmex to profit from the mass long liquidations, it’s a different story. This may have been a way to sell thousands of coins to fiat while simultaneously recouping them with shorts on Bitmex.

The wildest speculation so far that I have seen is that BitMEX was behind the dump to liquidate the crap out of the long positions, but another conspiracy theory without proof to back it up.

Overall, having that many coins by default grants you a massive advantage over the rest of the market due to how thin the books are, so from there it makes sense to have a leveraged side trade on BitMEX.

There are no set rules that makes side trading illegal or whatever, so traders are free to do it. People here are upset that the price went down instead of up, that's why they call it manipulation.

[Dewi Aries]

Instead of say that they are morons, actually they help us to pump bitcoin price. Even it is only rumour, but whales who pumped crypto price is can be logically accepted. And about people who lose because buy in high price, the risk is taken by ourself.

[LUCKMCFLY]

It is not that they are idiots, maybe he needed the money or maybe he was interested in a much more juicy investment than what he had here, it may have influenced some information handled by other people and that came to him and decided to sell, because if he left If you win that, you could have gained much more with another type of investment in a more stable currency, since the most stable currencies are the safest and the first ones to give very high profits when the bitcoin rises or is placed in a bullish trend.

The Strong Hands are operators who have squared all their movements very accurately, maybe the idiots are the ones who think they are idiots, because these people have many analysts who work for them and their own criteria, because they handle large amounts of money and these large amounts are supported.

In addition, no one can be a fortune-teller in thinking that in 3 or 4 days it would increase, but it is necessary to emphasize that those sales were to himself in another account to test the price range and to lower it so that the market reacted, then it could have been that has sold those coins to the same causing a possible bullish reaction, and won in the same way, because the whales, strong hands make such movements to deceive operators, this is very normal in both the crypto market and the stock Market, usually the whales always win, with very little failure percentage they lose, very few times they do it.

[justspare]

Instead of say that they are morons, actually they help us to pump bitcoin price. Even it is only rumour, but whales who pumped crypto price is can be logically accepted. And about people who lose because buy in high price, the risk is taken by ourself.

We are not interested in whales pumping the market for us because this action of their end up damaging the market badly and pulling lots of people down, the same way they acted in 2017 and damaged the market badly is the same thing you are inviting here.

Whales are just here for their selfish interest but we need large firs and large financial institutions that will take bitcoin seriously and start using it and also introducing it to their customers, if we can get a massive adoption from these people, then the market will pump naturally that even if people are doing shorts, it will not pull the market down.